Empty dome...

[Stern]

Do you get what we're saying? You keep screaming that we need more wins. Fine, then you need to get rid of NJ. It's easier to win that game or something similar in the Dome than NJ. You're either not reading what you write or talking out of both sides of your mouth.

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I understand what you are saying, but the NJ deal is what it is. If we have to play 1 tough OOC game in NJ because of the deal we have with them so be it. Doesn't mean we need to also play a Northwestern or Washington or Minnesota ALSO in that given year giving a middle to bottom tier BCS program a very difficult road to 6 wins. Schedule 3 cupcakes in that year and play the one tough game in NJ if it means money for the school.

Bottom line the current plan/scheduling as it is curerntly isn't working...and a move in some way towards what I am proposing would be best.

 

[JeremyCuse]

We aren't getting the casual fans for Pittsburgh now either! That's a problem!!!! The fans have given up completely. The attendance sucks now, it will suck going forward staying on the same path we are on now, it will suck if we tried things the way I want them to be tried.

Of course you need to win conference games, who is saying otherwise? But I would like to know if in a down year we only win 2 or 3 conference games we still go to a bowl!!! That's the point! We aren't competing for national championships, so the goal is 6 wins at worst every year and a bowl. Make the path to 6 as easy as possible! The attendance is going to suck either way, so might as well get to your 6 wins.

Id rather play a decent schedule then play a Rutgers schedule and end the year in some sh&t bowl against Southern Miss @2pm on a Tuesday.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I understand what you are saying, but the NJ deal is what it is. If we have to play 1 tough OOC game in NJ because of the deal we have with them so be it. Doesn't mean we need to also play a Northwestern or Washington or Minnesota ALSO in that given year giving a middle to bottom tier BCS program a very difficult road to 6 wins. Schedule 3 cupcakes in that year and play the one tough game in NJ if it means money for the school.

Bottom line the current plan/scheduling as it is curerntly isn't working...and a move in some way towards what I am proposing would be best.

The team was 5-5 going into Saturday with two chances to become bowl eligible, if the goal is a bowl game per your own prior post how exactly is not working?

 

[Stern]

Id rather play a decent schedule then play a Rutgers schedule and end the year in some sh&t bowl against Southern Miss @2pm on a Tuesday.

Then don't cry, piss and moan when the attendance sucks and we don't go to bowl games every year. I would rather have SU get extra weeks of practice every year and play in that 2pm Tuesday bowl game as I think most fans would.

We can agree to disagree although I think more people agree with me on this. Give me that 2pm Tuesday bowl game over no bowl!

 

[Stern]

The team was 5-5 going into Saturday with two chances to become bowl eligible, if the goal is a bowl game per your own prior post how exactly is not working?

Because I honestly think we have no shot this Saturday. Hope I'm wrong. If we didn't play Northwestern and played Buffalo or whoever instead we would already be in a bowl. That's what I'm saying

 

[rrlbees]

I understand what you are saying, but the NJ deal is what it is. If we have to play 1 tough OOC game in NJ because of the deal we have with them so be it. Doesn't mean we need to also play a Northwestern or Washington or Minnesota ALSO in that given year giving a middle to bottom tier BCS program a very difficult road to 6 wins. Schedule 3 cupcakes in that year and play the one tough game in NJ if it means money for the school. Bottom line the current plan/scheduling as it is curerntly isn't working...and a move in some way towards what I am proposing would be best.

No, you cancel NJ. All contracts are made to be broken. By you saying we have to only play scrubs in the Dome and then accepting NJ for what it is, means your original post wasn't serious. And like I said, that plan is the death knell.

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[JeremyCuse]

Then don't cry, piss and moan when the attendance sucks and we don't go to bowl games every year. I would rather have SU get extra weeks of practice every year and play in that 2pm Tuesday bowl game as I think most fans would.

We can agree to disagree although I think more people agree with me on this. Give me that 2pm Tuesday bowl game over no bowl!

I dont recall my post about the attendance or lack thereof but I will certainly keep that in mind. If your goal is to schedule like Rutgers and then try to scrap for some bottom tier bowl thats certainly your right and I respect that. I disagree 100% though with that and fortunately or unfortunately depending on who you are the people on the Hill lean toward my opinion.

 

[Stern]

No, you cancel NJ. All contracts are made to be broken. By you saying we have to only play scrubs in the Dome and then accepting NJ for what it is, means your original post wasn't serious. And like I said, that plan is the death knell.

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I Didn't know we could cancel NJ...then cancel it and go full steam ahead with what I laid out. That's what I would do. Not expecting it to happen but it should

 

[Cusefan95]

It's going to take a 10-2, 11-1 type of season to get casual fans to even start contemplating going to football games. Two season like that in a row and we would see a big increase in attendance. Keep winning 8+ a year after that and we'd be OK. A string of 5 or 6 yrs of 6-6, 7-5 type record and playing in crappy bowls isn't going to spark interest.

 

[Stern]

A string of 5 or 6 yrs of 6-6, 7-5 type record and playing in crappy bowls isn't going to spark interest.

I disagree.

 

[RF2044]

It's going to take a 10-2, 11-1 type of season to get casual fans to even start contemplating going to football games. Two season like that in a row and we would see a big increase in attendance. Keep winning 8+ a year after that and we'd be OK. A string of 5 or 6 yrs of 6-6, 7-5 type record and playing in crappy bowls isn't going to spark interest.

It's a lot easier to get to 8+ wins when you start the season 3-1 or 4-0, as opposed to 2-2 or 1-3.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I disagree.

We have pretty much had that record since 2009 and attendance is no better.

 

[Bayside44]

Id rather play a decent schedule then play a Rutgers schedule and end the year in some sh&t bowl against Southern Miss @2pm on a Tuesday.

What part of FSU and Clemson and UL and BC and Pitt and the other ACC games isn't decent.

Brave new world, get the 4 wins. Maryland sucks something terrible but they're getting 15 more practices and a bowl.

VT also did it (I know people have an odd thing about RU here) and it certainly helped them.

 

[JeremyCuse]

What part of FSU and Clemson and UL and BC and Pitt and the other ACC games isn't decent.

Brave new world, get the 4 wins. Maryland sucks something terrible but they're getting 15 more practices and a bowl.

VT also did it (I know people have an odd thing about RU here) and it certainly helped them.

We were discussing the OOC schedule, no qualms with the ACC.

 

[rrlbees]

What part of FSU and Clemson and UL and BC and Pitt and the other ACC games isn't decent. Brave new world, get the 4 wins. Maryland sucks something terrible but they're getting 15 more practices and a bowl. VT also did it (I know people have an odd thing about RU here) and it certainly helped them.

We don't play all those teams at home every year.

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[Bayside44]

We were discussing the OOC schedule, no qualms with the ACC.

Need 6 plus wins. The ACC schedule has a couple of glamour programs which should satisfy everyone else.

 

[Bayside44]

We don't play all those teams at home every year.

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So what. They're on the schedule. The path to a bowl is 6 wins. No reason to make it harder than it already is.

 

[rrlbees]

So what. They're on the schedule. The path to a bowl is 6 wins. No reason to make it harder than it already is.

Then you must agree that the NJ contract needs to be canceled if the goal is to line up the 4 easiest wins possible.

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[Full_Rebar]

Anyone look at BC's OOC wins this year...Villanova, Army and New Mexico St. (other OOC was at USC).

Lots of people here are saying how much better their program is right now and they have exactly one more win in the ACC. Perception is key and once you hit November, people forget how you got to 7 wins.

 

[TexanMark]

Id rather play a decent schedule then play a Rutgers schedule and end the year in some sh&t bowl against Southern Miss @2pm on a Tuesday.

You are not the normal bandwagon CNY casual fan...If Cuse starts out 3-0 gets some votes in the Top 25 the casual fan will come out. Bottomline: We have to consistently win 8-9 games for the Bandwagoners to come out. CNY follows winners and follows events. Do you realize Syracuse hoops played in front of a few hundred fans in the 60s down at the War Memorial? They had a record losing streak and wasn't cool.

 

[Stern]

Anyone look at BC's OOC wins this year...Villanova, Army and New Mexico St. (other OOC was at USC).

Lots of people here are saying how much better their program is right now and they have exactly one more win in the ACC. Perception is key and once you hit November, people forget how you got to 7 wins.

Exactly!

 

[Scooch]

It's like we didn't attract 48,000 fans for a game this year.

 

[otisco]

Syracuse is a BASKETBALL town. We have a crappy football team and the admin doesnt drop the coin to be a big football player. There is your issue, NOT the fans

Syracuse is a bandwagon town. Promise you 23,000/per game would not show for hoops if it was lower than a top 25 program. We have the luxury - pending JB's retirement - of having the hypothetical debate.

Any shrinks or PhD psychologists here? One of you needs to do a full-scale profile of the standard Syracuse fan. Once complete, the hoops versus football fandom/game attendance "debate" will conclude.

 

[rrlbees]

Syracuse is a bandwagon town. Promise you 23,000/per game would not show for hoops if it was lower than a top 25 program. We have the luxury - pending JB's retirement - of having the hypothetical debate. Any shrinks or PhD psychologists here? One of you needs to do a full-scale profile of the standard Syracuse fan. Once complete, the hoops versus football fandom/game attends face "debate" will conclude.

98% of the schools out there wouldn't draw if they had a crap bball or fball program.

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[Full_Rebar]

Comments like this from Giansante don't help the relationship between the AD and community

"Well, this is their chance. This is their chance to understand the moment, to understand the significance of the moment. If the community wants this program to win, this is their chance to do something about it."

He followed after the game with this gem, "Holidays or traveling this week or the weather forecasts later tonight or whatever. Those are sold tickets so, financially, the number is consistent with where we've been outside of the Clemson game."

Glad to see the AD only cares that the tickets were sold, not the reason for people not showing. I mean cash the checks and don't worry about the empty seats right? Even though earlier in the week it was up to the community to make a strong showing. I worry that the SU AD would be fine with selling every ticket, even if only 10 people bothered to show up.

Who knows how much this guy is pulling in for this level of expertise...