Ennis a 4 year guy?

[MonsterGame]

Depends on how many more times Ennis scores 28 pts in a game this year. If it becomes his average, it was nice knowing you Tyler.

 

[Melancer46]

You're insane. Fair is a first rounder (far better than kj) and grant is off the charts.

I think Fair is a late 1st rounder at best. Don't really see a place for him in the NBA. His biggest strength is his scoring, but he isn't nearly good enough to be a top 5 scoring option on an NBA team.

I think Grant will be a 1st rounder, and potentially lottery pick whenever he declares, but as someone else mentioned, he's extremely raw still. I think he'll carve out a niche as a face-up PF. His handles are good enough for that, and he's definitely athletic enough for that. Needs to bulk up a bit though.

 

[VaBeachOrFan]

For point guards, if you're super fast or quick, you can leave early; if you're 6'6", you can leave early; but if your game is managing the team and playing well at crunch time, you need to have a proven body of work to get drafted high. I'll pick 2-3.-VBOF

 

[moqui]

Grant has NBA [lottery] written all over him.

I don't know about lottery . . . as AZOrange noted in another thread, he is reminiscent of Hakim Warrick, who despite being a 20/10 machine and a consensus All American ended up outside the lottery as a mid-first round pick. Jerami has NBA level athleticism, but that alone doesn't make him an NBA player.

Had this argument earlier in the year, when someone claimed that Fair, Grant and Ennis were all "NBA locks." None of them are. Prospects, yes, but not locks. In fact, Cooney's quick release and deep range might give him the single best chance on the team to make a future NBA roster.

 

[meloyellow15]

I don't know about lottery . . . as AZOrange noted in another thread, he is reminiscent of Hakim Warrick, who despite being a 20/10 machine and a consensus All American ended up outside the lottery as a mid-first round pick. Jerami has NBA level athleticism, but that alone doesn't make him an NBA player.

Had this argument earlier in the year, when someone claimed that Fair, Grant and Ennis were all "NBA locks." None of them are. Prospects, yes, but not locks. In fact, Cooney's quick release and deep range might give him the single best chance on the team to make a future NBA roster.

Warrick and Grant have similar body types (though Grant has broader shoulders and thus potential to put more weight on) and both have other-worldy athleticism but their games really have no similarities. Warrick was a 6'9, 200 lb back to the basket player. To his credit, he hit a few fifteen footers his senior year but he generated nearly no offense off the dribble. Grant's much more a slasher and he's already shown more off the dribble than Warrick did in four years. I don't see Grant as lottery pick this year but I really don't understand why he is being compared to Hakim.

 

[TheCusian]

I think Fair is a late 1st rounder at best. Don't really see a place for him in the NBA. His biggest strength is his scoring, but he isn't nearly good enough to be a top 5 scoring option on an NBA team. I think Grant will be a 1st rounder, and potentially lottery pick whenever he declares, but as someone else mentioned, he's extremely raw still. I think he'll carve out a niche as a face-up PF. His handles are good enough for that, and he's definitely athletic enough for that. Needs to bulk up a bit though.

Fair became the scorer he is - true value is he does most everything else well. He's a 6th man type utility player on a good team. Think Chicago.

 

[anglerman]

If anyone here thinks he's staying more than 2 years you're crazy. I'm going with one and done. He has virtually perfect point guard skills. He pretty much has no weakness. Those who say he isn't a good athlete are blind. He might just be the best ballhandler on the planet right now.

 

[Orangemen]

Most likely he's a 2 year guy. But if this team puts together a run, a 1 and done is possible.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I don't know. He doesn't seem big enough, quick enough or athletic enough to be a long term NBA player. But if you can play PG, you have a great shot at the NBA. I think he's more of a 4 year player because his upside isn't great at all. In fact, he seems like one of those kids that's not going to improve a ton during his time on campus simply because he was ready to contribute and excel immediately (similar to Devendorf, Gmac, etc). Nothing he does will wow NBA scouts so that's why I find it hard to believe he'll be a kid that leaves early.

Mark Jackson fits that description very well. Tyler is that style of player, but has to develop the defensive toughness that Jackson had.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Fair's shooting % is sending off red flags left and right. He needs to stop being wasteful if he wants to get back into the late first round.

But with no one else scoring, he's had to force his offense a bit. I think last night's game was huge, just for the other guys to all have good offensive games together. If they can keep this up, it will allow CJ to go back to just playing his game, and not having to be the whole offense.

 

[Orangemen]

But with no one else scoring, he's had to force his offense a bit. I think last night's game was huge, just for the other guys to all have good offensive games together. If they can keep this up, it will allow CJ to go back to just playing his game, and not having to be the whole offense.

I think he's having a tough time adjusting to be the man. He's forcing it too much. Looks like KrisJo 2.0 out there.

In the Minny game, all his points came within the flow of the game, and he was great. Last night he was trying to operate in iso's and he looked not so great.

 

[anglerman]

Mark Jackson fits that description very well. Tyler is that style of player, but has to develop the defensive toughness that Jackson had.

Tyler is a much better athlete and player than Jackson was. He's very quick, not sure what player some of you guys are watching.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Tyler is a much better athlete and player than Jackson was. He's very quick, not sure what player some of you guys are watching.

He's more "sneaky quick" than "very" quick. If you put him in a footrace down the court, there are lots of dudes who are faster. What he has is very good vision, and he knows how to use his body to get a guy on his shoulder or on his hip so he can get past them in the lane. He does it more with his shoulder than his hip, but that was one thing Edelin could do very well - get his hips past a guy and then use his body to shield the defender from his shot.

 

[jimsonjunction]

Not sure if I'd ever say that Tyler is a better player than Mark Jackson was. That seems like crazy talk.

What makes this so interesting though, is how mentally ready he is. It seems like he could step onto an NBA court today and be totally poised. Will his physical abilities be good enough? It's hard to tell. But I do think that eventually he'll get a shot, and when he does, an NBA coach will fall in love with him.

 

[orangefan13]

Fair is more of a three pushing powerforward then a three pushing SG. His best shot is working as a three on a team that likes to run alot of motion with a four that can extend. He can get up to rebound though he had 10 rebounds against minnesota, doubling grant, Dajuan rak, and keita. His pullup is fater this year but hes getting doubled-tripled like crazy in the lane.

I knows Fairs dribble isn't great but if Ennis keeps this up he might not need screens this year, we can give Fair the screens up top and move Grant further in, or do the opposite for Grant, or do it for Gbinije. Its scary this team hasn't even experimented much with screens yet. For a freshmen PG ennis really likes the left side of the court

If tylers midrange game starts dropping whats holding him back? Only defense.

 

[moqui]

But with no one else scoring, he's had to force his offense a bit. I think last night's game was huge, just for the other guys to all have good offensive games together. If they can keep this up, it will allow CJ to go back to just playing his game, and not having to be the whole offense.

with Grant and Roc as the other forwards in the rotation, CJ is the de facto small forward and he is taking his game farther outside than ever before; previously, he took a third of his shots at the rim, this year it is below 1/4. Because he is playing away from the basket so much, he isn't drawing fouls. He's very good at the line and could feast there, but only Cooney has a lower FT rate (FT attempts/FG attempts) among the 8 rotation guys.

 

[jekelish]

Tyler is a much better athlete and player than Jackson was. He's very quick, not sure what player some of you guys are watching.

Athlete? Perhaps. But player? Let's hold our horses there. Jackson is 3rd in NBA history in assists, after all.

 

[Doc5120]

8 year player

I like it. 2 terms in Orange.

 

[CusefanATL]

If anyone here thinks he's staying more than 2 years you're crazy. I'm going with one and done. He has virtually perfect point guard skills. He pretty much has no weakness. Those who say he isn't a good athlete are blind. He might just be the best ballhandler on the planet right now.

ball handling skills doesnt make up an athlete.

 

[CusefanATL]

Tyler is a much better athlete and player than Jackson was. He's very quick, not sure what player some of you guys are watching.

He's not really quick... he is very smart and crafty. Kind of like Edelin.

There is a huge difference b/w jeff teague and tyler ennis.

 

[Dave85]

Grant has NBA [lottery] written all over him.

I would advise Grant to stay in college as long as it takes to get a consistent 3-point jump shot. Being drafted is one thing. Actually playing in the NBA is another! If Grant stayed all four years and really developed his outside shot he would be a top 5 pick. I think if he leaves after this year he will get drafted but he would probably have a short NBA career like most guys who enter the draft early.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I would advise Grant to stay in college as long as it takes to get a consistent 3-point jump shot. Being drafted is one thing. Actually playing in the NBA is another! If Grant stayed all four years and really developed his outside shot he would be a top 5 pick. I think if he leaves after this year he will get drafted but he would probably have a short NBA career like most guys who enter the draft early.

I think he's got one more year in him before he goes pro. He could go first round this year if he keeps progressing, but this draft class is LOADED. If he waits another year, his outside shot will be more refined, and he could be a top 10 pick.

 

[TBCuse11]

Just curious on thoughts around the board on this. I just am stumped on whether he's a 4 year guy or maybe a 2 and done guy. Usually I can see a player and say "that guy has what it takes and has the talent, ability, potential to be an NBA player". Ennis, he is just a very soothing point guard who looks like he's always in control which makes me enjoy his game. But does he have the shot, size, speed to be an NBA player? I'm 50/50 on it.

2 and out. Our smoothest PG in a long, long time. Handles pressure and hits FT's like no frosh we have had. And that includes GMac, who was not a PG anyways

 

[BostonOrange]

Just to summarize...yesterday Ennis was 10-40 in his college career, and roughly avging 9 pts, 4 boards, and 4 assts. Today he is better than the nba's 3rd all-time asst guy. Maybe time to pump the brakes a little bit?

 

[anglerman]

He's not really quick... he is very smart and crafty. Kind of like Edelin.

There is a huge difference b/w jeff teague and tyler ennis.

He's much faster and quicker than Edelin. He's a good athlete with a very high basketball IQ, and poised beyond his years. I would say he's better than Mark jackson was in college. I also think that's a poor comparison as I don't see them as at all similar players.

I've noticed that late in tight games he elevates his game like a truly great player would. Enjoy this ride as I think it will be fun but brief.