Enough Excuse Making

[SarasotaPaul]

Too many short-sighted knee jerk reactions. Injuries are not an excuse . They are fact and if you don't see and understand that you haven't got clue about sports at all but you are an internet tough guy. HCSS has all of one recruiting class and they are far better than what we have had in the recent past. Plan all you want for Pitt but with your QB and line on injured list all the coaching in the world won't make you as competitive. Saying otherwise is talking through the beer glasses.

Has he made some calls that don't make sense to us? Yes. Every coach does it just shows more when you have this kind of year.

Those who say we are in GRob mode only need to look at Coach Mac and his time to turn us around to discredit their fire everyone hissy fits.

The thought that some big name will change everything in a year or two are the thoughts of the insane. Just how often does that happen when you look at facts and not cherry pick one or two instances?

I give HCSS two more years and we will see if his recruiting and "coaching " are better.

Perhaps its old age and learning from history (not just the last ADD enhanced last 15 seconds) that gives me my perspective. I watched Floyd Little for crying out loud, live and in person, freezing my bony butt off in Archbold. I just might have a valid opinion. I may be wrong but it is my opinion.

 

[xc84]

If it weren't for injuries to Maryland, Wake, NC State and BC would we have won all of those games? Doubt it.

They have not played BC yet but I think without the rash of injuries they had, they would have won some of those. I think Duke is one too. With the inept offense, they were tied with Duke going into the 4th. They just needed some offense and it's a different game. That's not so say the coaches were stellar but I really find it hard to understand why people want to throw out the injury situation as a non-factor.

 

[SUbear]

That is so over the top.

It's a bad season. The offense has been bad to horrible all year but this program is not back to where it was under Robinson, that's ridiculous.

The roster is much, much better. The defense is good and the offense was able to run well and generate yards, if not points, until Hunt got hurt.

There's no need for wholesale changes, the focus needs to be fixing the offense.

You do know our defense loses major pieces this year, next year will be a pretty major rebuild. I and anyone with a brain knows the offense has to be fixed, but the question is can/will Shafer make the necessary changes to even have a shot at getting this done. I believe he will not.

 

[NKR1978]

They have not played BC yet but I think without the rash of injuries they had, they would have won some of those. I think Duke is one too. With the inept offense, they were tied with Duke going into the 4th. They just needed some offense and it's a different game. That's not so say the coaches were stellar but I really find it hard to understand why people want to throw out the injury situation as a non-factor.

We were in games and have to give the D credit for that; but last year we won close games where we were fortunate the other team had injuries to key players so the win/loss total is likely evened out over the two years.

 

[xc84]

We were in games and have to give the D credit for that; but last year we won close games where we were fortunate the other team had injuries to key players so the win/loss total is likely evened out over the two years.

Having a guy or 2 out is a lot different than what we saw this year for SU. Hunt out? We are ok. Estime out? We are ok. Broyld out? We are ok. Take them all out and sprinkle in a few offensive lineman at the same time... screwed.

 

[Millhouse]

I've yet to get a response as to how it's quitting on your team if you're down 3 scores with 4 minutes left. It was 30-7. We had two good drives the whole game.

I wished he'd gone for it - because "why not" - but to call it quitting is a stretch.

no one is bothering with this because some things are that obvious

 

[SUbear]

Too many short-sighted knee jerk reactions. Injuries are not an excuse . They are fact and if you don't see and understand that you haven't got clue about sports at all but you are an internet tough guy. HCSS has all of one recruiting class and they are far better than what we have had in the recent past. Plan all you want for Pitt but with your QB and line on injured list all the coaching in the world won't make you as competitive. Saying otherwise is talking through the beer glasses.

Has he made some calls that don't make sense to us? Yes. Every coach does it just shows more when you have this kind of year.

Those who say we are in GRob mode only need to look at Coach Mac and his time to turn us around to discredit their fire everyone hissy fits.

The thought that some big name will change everything in a year or two are the thoughts of the insane. Just how often does that happen when you look at facts and not cherry pick one or two instances?

I give HCSS two more years and we will see if his recruiting and "coaching " are better.

Perhaps its old age and learning from history (not just the last ADD enhanced last 15 seconds) that gives me my perspective. I watched Floyd Little for crying out loud, live and in person, freezing my bony butt off in Archbold. I just might have a valid opinion. I may be wrong but it is my opinion.

I too sat and watched Floyd, and sat through Maloney and Grob(every nauseating home game and a few away), I know inadequate coaching when I see it, and this year I have seen it. Can Shafer improve? That is questionable, he gets this coming year, after that if no improvement, he should be canned. If he is not it will say volumes about the course of SU football, none of it good. He must make changes in staff and schemes, if that does not happen he has no chance.

 

[TheCusian]

no one is bothering with this because some things are that obvious

Yeah - or people want to hate on a meaningless decision. It's like saying "why didn't Melo jack a three with a minute left down 20?" Stupid overreaction based on a hyper sensitivity to punting and a frustration with how things are going.

 

[orangecuse]

Syracuse University isnt Kansas State. We have academic standards and we can't just let any juco star into the program.

This may be true, however, it's considerably easier to transfer into a higher ranked school (academically) at a college Junior status than many of those same schools as an under graduate out of high school. The requirements are far less stringent...even for the schools with academic standards.

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah - or people want to hate on a meaningless decision. It's like saying "why didn't Melo jack a three with a minute left down 20?" Stupid overreaction based on a hyper sensitivity to punting and a frustration with how things are going.

uh no

it's like a basketball player down by a lot letting the shot clock expire on purpose

 

[Willy75]

Too many short-sighted knee jerk reactions. Injuries are not an excuse . They are fact and if you don't see and understand that you haven't got clue about sports at all but you are an internet tough guy. HCSS has all of one recruiting class and they are far better than what we have had in the recent past. Plan all you want for Pitt but with your QB and line on injured list all the coaching in the world won't make you as competitive. Saying otherwise is talking through the beer glasses.

Has he made some calls that don't make sense to us? Yes. Every coach does it just shows more when you have this kind of year.

Those who say we are in GRob mode only need to look at Coach Mac and his time to turn us around to discredit their fire everyone hissy fits.

The thought that some big name will change everything in a year or two are the thoughts of the insane. Just how often does that happen when you look at facts and not cherry pick one or two instances?

I give HCSS two more years and we will see if his recruiting and "coaching " are better.

Perhaps its old age and learning from history (not just the last ADD enhanced last 15 seconds) that gives me my perspective. I watched Floyd Little for crying out loud, live and in person, freezing my bony butt off in Archbold. I just might have a valid opinion. I may be wrong but it is my opinion.

Two more years and we'll be at a Patriot League level (and I sat in Archbold too).

 

[TheCusian]

uh no it's like a basketball player down by a lot letting the shot clock expire on purpose

Okay. That's irrelevant too.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

I too sat and watched Floyd, and sat through Maloney and Grob(every nauseating home game and a few away), I know inadequate coaching when I see it, and this year I have seen it. Can Shafer improve? That is questionable, he gets this coming year, after that if no improvement, he should be canned. If he is not it will say volumes about the course of SU football, none of it good. He must make changes in staff and schemes, if that does not happen he has no chance.

Perhaps you really don't. But that again is opinion. I think better players lead to amazingly better coaching. Again I refer to Coach Mac.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

Two more years and we'll be at a Patriot League level (and I sat in Archbold too).

So you're saying you somehow missed the Coach Mac years? Sounds like those who think Cooney is D3 level for basketball. And that says a lot about where you seem to be coming from. Just my opinion mind you.

Seriously now, just how many recruiting classes do you think a coach needs to be a success? And consider that from the level of players we have right now. Also consider what he brought in this past year. That is where I am getting my optimism from. Growing pains are seldom painless.

 

[storange]

Who cares, its field hockey season.

 

[SarasotaPaul]

You do know our defense loses major pieces this year, next year will be a pretty major rebuild. I and anyone with a brain knows the offense has to be fixed, but the question is can/will Shafer make the necessary changes to even have a shot at getting this done. I believe he will not.

We all know that coaching is valuable. So here's what I want you to do. I'm 5'5", bald and 140 pounds and 63 years old. Can you find the the big name coach, heck any name coach, who will teach me how to dunk?

Can you say recruiting????? Thats the scheme that matters. Recruiting recruiting & more recruiting. By my count thats at least 3 "recruitings" and I want those in years not last 10 minutes, not 1 whole year but at least 3 years. Its down the road I know but I am damned by a logical calculating mind. I save my macho knee jerk reactions for muggers. God I hope my rebuilt knees are up to that if need be.

 

[SUbear]

Perhaps you really don't. But that again is opinion. I think better players lead to amazingly better coaching. Again I refer to Coach Mac.

No I really do. I was saying Grob was not a decent head coach in his second year while others were saying give him more time, and I never once said Mac should go even when his record was not that good because I could tell he was a good coach, regardless of the sack Mac pac. I give him next year as I said, but he must deliver a better coaching job or he should be oh so gone.

 

[SUbear]

We all know that coaching is valuable. So here's what I want you to do. I'm 5'5", bald and 140 pounds and 63 years old. Can you find the the big name coach, heck any name coach, who will teach me how to dunk?

Can you say recruiting????? Thats the scheme that matters. Recruiting recruiting & more recruiting. By my count thats at least 3 "recruitings" and I want those in years not last 10 minutes, not 1 whole year but at least 3 years. Its down the road I know but I am damned by a logical calculating mind. I save my macho knee jerk reactions for muggers. God I hope my rebuilt knees are up to that if need be.

Well I was 6' 1" 224# am now 67, and neither matters. I just know a good coaching job from a bad one. Grob had worse players than Shafer yes, but Shafer is doing poorly with better players. He has recruited as his assistants a bunch of old buddies, which is not usually a great idea, and he made a total novice his OC. This team is undisciplined, maybe a result of his coaching style(tries to be to much of their buddy). The offensive scheme were not apropo to their talents.
If you think recruiting is all that matters you do not know football. Recruiting is important but so to is coaching the players you have and using their talents to the best advantage. Syracuse will not in the near future get the five star talent, therefor our coaching must be that much better. Every team except for a few true selectors needs better players.

 

[Willy75]

So you're saying you somehow missed the Coach Mac years? Sounds like those who think Cooney is D3 level for basketball. And that says a lot about where you seem to be coming from. Just my opinion mind you.

Seriously now, just how many recruiting classes do you think a coach needs to be a success? And consider that from the level of players we have right now. Also consider what he brought in this past year. That is where I am getting my optimism from. Growing pains are seldom painless.

If your point (amidst all the other gibberish) is that recruits matter, sure they do. We are, however, about to lose our best recruiter due to Shafer's dubious handling of the McDonald situation. I've also seen enough lack of discipline, mismatch of talent to offensive strategy, dubious play calling, incomprehensible substitution patterns, what the heck timeout calls and sideline and presser antics to convince me he is not the guy. Maybe a decent P5 defensive coordinator, but not a head coach. I'm really hoping that, unlike the GRob situation, the ship doesn't have to be 99% under water before the "give him a chance" advocates reluctantly agree he wasn't the guy.

 

[rosconey]

ahhhhh the ole tried and true mac excuse -i fondly remember it being used for 4 years when the great groober was around -
i just love the classics

i love how they forget the state of the program then and now because it doesnt fit the agenda

and fyi- a hard nosed coach doesnt quit and punt in that situation-

 

[SarasotaPaul]

Well I was 6' 1" 224# am now 67, and neither matters. I just know a good coaching job from a bad one. Grob had worse players than Shafer yes, but Shafer is doing poorly with better players. He has recruited as his assistants a bunch of old buddies, which is not usually a great idea, and he made a total novice his OC. This team is undisciplined, maybe a result of his coaching style(tries to be to much of their buddy). The offensive scheme were not apropo to their talents.
If you think recruiting is all that matters you do not know football. Recruiting is important but so to is coaching the players you have and using their talents to the best advantage. Syracuse will not in the near future get the five star talent, therefor our coaching must be that much better. Every team except for a few true selectors needs better players.

Some what you say is fair, but exactly what talents on his team does he have with injured QB's and injured "O" line? He is also playing in a far better league. His strong suit was "D" and they have performed admirably. So I truly do not get the bad coaching business.

As for for what does my size and dunking ability go. The point is precisely that you can only coach so much and the rest is in the recruiting so you can actually do the things you need to do to be successful. So yes it does matter. It matters a lot. His one recruiting class has shown to be quite a bit better than what we have seen the last many years. That step is the corner stone, the rest can than be fairly evaluated.

Anyway.. good exchange.. opinions differ but GO SU remains the same for both of us.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[SarasotaPaul]

If your point (amidst all the other gibberish) is that recruits matter, sure they do. We are, however, about to lose our best recruiter due to Shafer's dubious handling of the McDonald situation. I've also seen enough lack of discipline, mismatch of talent to offensive strategy, dubious play calling, incomprehensible substitution patterns, what the heck timeout calls and sideline and presser antics to convince me he is not the guy. Maybe a decent P5 defensive coordinator, but not a head coach. I'm really hoping that, unlike the GRob situation, the ship doesn't have to be 99% under water before the "give him a chance" advocates reluctantly agree he wasn't the guy.

A healthy 1st stringQB or 2nd string QB (you do remember we were down to our 4th string QB for awhile don't you) or a healthy "O" along with the true frosh he brought in and your knee jerk gibberish wouldn't even be posted. (At least I would hope not).

One year of his own recruits and you seem to think that is enough. Simply amazing.

 

[SUbear]

Some what you say is fair, but exactly what talents on his team does he have with injured QB's and injured "O" line? He is also playing in a far better league. His strong suit was "D" and they have performed admirably. So I truly do not get the bad coaching business.

As for for what does my size and dunking ability go. The point is precisely that you can only coach so much and the rest is in the recruiting so you can actually do the things you need to do to be successful. So yes it does matter. It matters a lot. His one recruiting class has shown to be quite a bit better than what we have seen the last many years. That step is the corner stone, the rest can than be fairly evaluated.

Anyway.. good exchange.. opinions differ but GO SU remains the same for both of us.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Agree to that, and he gets another year to prove it was not the coaching, but if still busts then a change is warranted. I do not see him doing what is necessary buy hope I am wrong because that would be in the best interest of the program.
As to the dunking you would have been a guard and coached to play guard, hell I never could dunk either.

 

[TheCusian]

ahhhhh the ole tried and true mac excuse -i fondly remember it being used for 4 years when the great groober was around - i just love the classics i love how they forget the state of the program then and now because it doesnt fit the agenda and fyi- a hard nosed coach doesnt quit and punt in that situation-

It was true for Mac and it was true for Grob. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. Shafer will get the same chance and we'll see.