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Interesting- my guess is this ends up on it's face without more clubs from other leagues.
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Interesting- my guess is this ends up on it's face without more clubs from other leagues.
Yeah... not having Bayern and other top German clubs plus PSG seems like a miss. Then again make it 20 permanent add Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund, PSG, and ???.Redirect Notice
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Interesting- my guess is this ends up on it's face without more clubs from other leagues.
What was Arsenal even done in recent years to deserve inclusion? Kroenke’s buying his way in.A pair of American owners are ruining European soccer.
Arsenal and Liverpool greedy owners.
The sport that needs a super league is college football.
They see the writing on the wall. Only a matter of time before MLS clubs can pay as much for the top talent, if not more.Redirect Notice
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Interesting- my guess is this ends up on it's face without more clubs from other leagues.
Sure, if time is a few generations from now. I’m in my mid forties now... I don’t anticipate mls competing with top euro leagues for the best players in my lifetime.They see the writing on the wall. Only a matter of time before MLS clubs can pay as much for the top talent, if not more.
They see the writing on the wall. Only a matter of time before MLS clubs can pay as much for the top talent, if not more.
Yeah... not having Bayern and other top German clubs plus PSG seems like a miss. Then again make it 20 permanent add Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund, PSG, and ???.
Then add the 5 playins.
Sure, if time is a few generations from now. I’m in my mid forties now... I don’t anticipate mls competing with top euro leagues for the best players in my lifetime.
I’ll admit that’s a friend’s take...and he’s been following soccer a lot longer than I have.Winning the UCL is the most prestigious club soccer accomplishment in the World. Until the MLS along with other leagues in North and South America can build an equal alternative even throwing more money around isn't going to do the trick alone.
Kick them out of domestic leagues then if they do this imo.
I’ll admit that’s a friend’s take...and he’s been following soccer a lot longer than I have.
Yeah, he’s been saying a Super Euro League needs to happen for awhile now for this reason.It's been floating around for a few years or even longer tbh. Obviously it would be a dream scenario for the MLS to turn into a destination league.
Enos StanWhat was Arsenal even done in recent years to deserve inclusion? Kroenke’s buying his way in.
They see the writing on the wall. Only a matter of time before MLS clubs can pay as much for the top talent, if not more.
The immediate goal of MLS should be to become better than Liga MX (Mexican league) and becoming the destination league for soccer players in our hemisphere who don't want to go to Europe or are not good enough. Given how poorly MLS teams fare in the concacaf champions league, I think MLS is still at least a decade or so away from overtaking Liga MX.I am the biggest MLS fan-boy there is (season ticket holder, travel to other stadiums when my team's not playing for fun, watch half a dozen games per week). This is never going to happen.
I think for MLS, continued success looks like this:
1 - 20-25K butts in the seats each and every game, with one-offs like Atlanta and Seattle playing in NFL stadiums maintaining their current 30-60K attendance.
2 - Stadiums being built within the City limits of New York, Dallas, Boston, and Chicago. All on major public transit lines.
3 - Continued academy investments. Each and every year for the past 5 years or so, we've gotten bigger moves coming out of these MLS academies - Bayern, Dortmund, Gladbach, Schalke/Juventus, RB Leipzig and Salzborg, etc. What we are not necessarily seeing yet are the players just below the Chris Richards, Gio Reynas, etc who are breaking into MLS first-teams now but aren't quite top-level Euro players. These guys will ultimately elevate the league to its next level.
But the issue is it's still such a saturated market. Watching Liverpool, Barca, Roma, whoever on Saturday and Sunday mornings has become part of US sports culture. Unfortunately, MLS are offering Mr. Pib when Euros are offering Dr Pepper in this market.
Their issue will always be how do you convince fans to switch. I think the good thing is that they have a few real advantages in the US sports market though. I think you get a better outdoor fan experience at MLS matches than NFL or MLB games. I love that kick-off to final whistle is under 2 hours which makes it an excellent family outing. And the tickets are generally significantly less expensive than other sports.
The great thing is, we don't need MLS to be the EPL to be excellent on the international stage, we need it to just keep expanding our player pool and getting players to major clubs like its been doing at an accelerated rate over the last few years.
The NFL follows a very similar model to the super league and its the most popular league in the US.The issue re: MLS is that the owners don't want to spend money before they reap the benefits of the revenue that spending the money would bring in.
At any rate, this SuperLeague sucks. Basically replaces the Champions League with a worse version of it but the team owners make more money so we get to watch worse soccer for more money. Sweet.
And at least for the moment, the players on these teams are banned from World Cup, which means the US team should suck again. Yay!
I've been telling friends pretty much the same the last few weeks as it's randomly come up. DC United kinda blows but their games are a blast. There's just nothing quite like a soccer crowd even if the teams aren't great.I am the biggest MLS fan-boy there is (season ticket holder, travel to other stadiums when my team's not playing for fun, watch half a dozen games per week). This is never going to happen.
I think for MLS, continued success looks like this:
1 - 20-25K butts in the seats each and every game, with one-offs like Atlanta and Seattle playing in NFL stadiums maintaining their current 30-60K attendance.
2 - Stadiums being built within the City limits of New York, Dallas, Boston, and Chicago. All on major public transit lines.
3 - Continued academy investments. Each and every year for the past 5 years or so, we've gotten bigger moves coming out of these MLS academies - Bayern, Dortmund, Gladbach, Schalke/Juventus, RB Leipzig and Salzborg, etc. What we are not necessarily seeing yet are the players just below the Chris Richards, Gio Reynas, etc who are breaking into MLS first-teams now but aren't quite top-level Euro players. These guys will ultimately elevate the league to its next level.
But the issue is it's still such a saturated market. Watching Liverpool, Barca, Roma, whoever on Saturday and Sunday mornings has become part of US sports culture. Unfortunately, MLS are offering Mr. Pib when Euros are offering Dr Pepper in this market.
Their issue will always be how do you convince fans to switch. I think the good thing is that they have a few real advantages in the US sports market though. I think you get a better outdoor fan experience at MLS matches than NFL or MLB games. I love that kick-off to final whistle is under 2 hours which makes it an excellent family outing. And the tickets are generally significantly less expensive than other sports.
The great thing is, we don't need MLS to be the EPL to be excellent on the international stage, we need it to just keep expanding our player pool and getting players to major clubs like its been doing at an accelerated rate over the last few years.
I'm not sure about the American owners killing European soccer take... this Super League has been rumored for the past 20 years. This is the top clubs being huge drops in revenue in one hand and being offered billions on the other hand. I think it's a correlation that American owners are more common and not causation.Our country alone is about the size of all the major(England, Italy, Germany, Spain, France) European countries combined.
That is part of the reason we won’t compete with them in soccer.
Travel is a huge thing in these soccer leagues.
You can get to all EPL home stadiums pretty easily traveling.
DC United fans aren’t going out to Seattle in large numbers.
This Super League is the American owners killing European soccer for their own benefit.
It won’t happen easily. John W. Henry and FSG won the CL and EPL but they haven’t invested as much for their team this year it’s all about profits. The Liverpool fanbase is turning on them fast.
He and Enos are behind this super league.