Everybody still on board with the new transfer rule?

[All4SU]

oh, well. Then who cares what your kids would kill for.
they dont have the same talents these kids have.

If they are so talented, get a job with those talents. You want to get paid to play sports? There are places you can do that.

 

[djcon57]

If they are so talented, get a job with those talents. You want to get paid to play sports? There are places you can do that.

sure or they can ask for more and/or NLI rights. And the colleges can either comply or disagree. What’s the problem?

 

[All4SU]

sure or they can ask for more and/or NLI rights. And the colleges can either comply or disagree. What’s the problem?

I would love to discuss this with folks face to face. I’ve outlined my position on this board so many times, I’m tired of it. I know it’s a windmill that I’ll never defeat, but I know I’m right. So I have that going for me.
The thing for which you advocate is the end of college sports. That’s fine, I’ll be long gone - finished with supporting college sports, and/or long dead. But that’s the road we’re on. Congrats. You will get you’re way.

 

[djcon57]

I would love to discuss this with folks face to face. I’ve outlined my position on this board so many times, I’m tired of it. I know it’s a windmill that I’ll never defeat, but I know I’m right. So I have that going for me.
The thing for which you advocate is the end of college sports. That’s fine, I’ll be long gone - finished with supporting college sports, and/or long dead. But that’s the road we’re on. Congrats. You will get you’re way.

thanks.

 

[pokercuse08]

The underlying message of the keep things the same side amounts to some version of "these kids should be grateful for what they get to play a game," and ignores that for many of them their market value is way higher and what they get (tuition) isn't what they'd choose to get (cash) for their services.

But the message that some group of people should be grateful for whatever they get, even if it's below their market value or less than a fair deal is one with a long history in America in general and in American sports in particular, and that history is not a good one. People who are making some version of that argument should think about that context and reconsider using that argument going forward. It's usually landed on the wrong side of history.

 

[Orangepace]

Moving the goalposts again.

You claimed Boeheim talked about this $4,000 / month benefit all the time. I didn't ask you to do research for me. I asked you to substantiate your claim. You didn't.

It’s different by school. At Syracuse it’s $1400-$2000, but I remember that when this came out there were some schools that stated it’s be around that $4000/mo

 

[SWC75]

Who knows, we might come to like it.

All the wonderful speculation about who will be on next year's team will be on steroids now. Right now we are focusing on what we'll loose. But what might we gain? Really it just means that the means of both losing and acquiring players have increased. The coach's job of scouting and recruiting talent will require more work, (maybe a larger staff?). The job of retaining talent will get more difficult. Fan loyalties maybe tested but to the players, not to the school and it is the school that has always mattered to them. There will be no point in speculating about next year's line-up until next year, when we will know next year's roster. I think Syracuse will continue to have a roster of talented players and that JB, (and hopefully his successors), will be able to mold them into successful teams.

I have a feeling that there will be a large number of player defections in the first couple of years but that it might calm down a bit when it's realized that the grass isn't that much greener on the other side of the fence and that players who switch schools multiple times often wind up going nowhere.

 

[pokercuse08]

All the wonderful speculation about who will be on next year's team will be on steroids now. Right now we are focusing on what we'll loose. But what might we gain? Really it just means that the means of both losing and acquiring players have increased.

I would expect this to improve our talent levels, on average, given the prominence of our program/brand. But given the 2-3 zone, having a lot of turnover could cause us more problems than the improvement in talent creates.

If it doesn't improve our talent levels, it implies that there are problems behind the scenes.

 

[kcsu]

Who knows, we might come to like it.

All the wonderful speculation about who will be on next year's team will be on steroids now. Right now we are focusing on what we'll loose. But what might we gain? Really it just means that the means of both losing and acquiring players have increased. The coach's job of scouting and recruiting talent will require more work, (maybe a larger staff?). The job of retaining talent will get more difficult. Fan loyalties maybe tested but to the players, not to the school and it is the school that has always mattered to them. There will be no point in speculating about next year's line-up until next year, when we will know next year's roster. I think Syracuse will continue to have a roster of talented players and that JB, (and hopefully his successors), will be able to mold them into successful teams.

I have a feeling that there will be a large number of player defections in the first couple of years but that it might calm down a bit when it's realized that the grass isn't that much greener on the other side of the fence and that players who switch schools multiple times often wind up going nowhere.

SU has been under recruiting since Hop left so maybe portal madness will benefit us. Jim doesn't have to travel all the way to Glen Falls or Albany anymore, if we can keep the campus closed he doesn't even have to meet them in person. It just might work

 

[SWC75]

I've always argued that players who jumped to the pros and whose careers haven't been quite as good as they hoped and who would like to get their degree should be able to come back to college and play for their collage team if they still have eligibility left. We might as well throw that into the mix.

 

[OttoMets]

GREAT FIND.

That's a must read, everyone should consider that perspective.

One more reason why following SU has become an uncomfortable chore.

I don't like the transfer free-for-all, but it's easy to sympathize with a player who's stuck at the end of the bench.

College basketball is fun when we watch players develop. It is not fun when we watch small forwards play center over any of the three young centers on the roster. And it's about a million times less fun when you're one of those centers rather than some fan.

 

[UnknownOrange]

There's a lesser shown side to this argument too. If they're student-athletes, student comes first. A regular student who receives a full ride, vs a basketball player who receives a full ride, are not treated equally, and that's wrong.

The regular student could spend 4 years at 4 different universities. No punishment. Honestly, why should they be punished?

The basketball player gets ridiculed on message boards, told they are weak, can't deal with competition, etc, all for what? Syracuse is a wonderful university, but an 18 year old can change their mind. I did a few times. Maybe they wanted to play basketball at a great school, and become the next Tirico, Costas, or Clark. Then life changes, they want to be closer to family or change their major and realize Syracuse isn't where they want to be.

Their skill is what allowed them to get a scholarship, just like a brilliant student earned theirs through different means, so why is there punishment?

Not everyone's situation is the same. So to have blanket rules doesn't really help, but then again you have to rely on the NCAA which... is counterproductive.

At the end of the day, you shouldn't be penalized for your feelings and emotions changing. We all know that coaches, staff, educators, other students, etc can change their minds whenever they'd like, but those kids bringing in billions in football and basketball cannot without a penalty. Neat system.