Everybody still on board with the new transfer rule?

[hoopsupstate]

Beside their scholarship, I believe each basketball player gets over $4,000 per month as additional aide. $40,000 plus a scholarship isn’t too bad.

 

[orangecuse]

It’s an adhesion contract. They cannot be bargained. They are take it or leave it. They area always construed against the drafter.

So what? Adhesion contracts are legally binding contracts and is why they legally exist. Hence, it's why insurance contracts (adhesion) legally exist, whether it's homeowner's, auto, general liability, garage keepers, inland marine, etc. The offeror supplies the offeree (student athlete) with standard terms and conditions identical to those offered to other offerees. The offeree is free to reject it.

The scholarships are annual. Each year is renewed. (There have been some 4 year scholarships now).

Irrelevant to the point.

How, when you fulfilled your scholarship for the year, can someone say you can’t play for a whole other year at another school?It is clearly limiting the ability to play, which limits available options.

Anything that limits choice should be strictly construed and thrown out, where possible. That’s why covenants not to compete are so difficult to enforce.

It apparently is not against public policy, and it's an expressed, bilateral agreement. And, my understanding is that you can indeed play if you pay to go there instead of opting for the free ride agreement (LOI) one was free to reject. Non compete clauses exist in the professional world and they are enforceable.

 

[UpstateSM]

Then stop watching. I doubt anyone will care. Man, the privilege in this post.

Yeah I was kidding. I’m sick of arguing with people about this chit it’s pointless they believe what they want to believe

 

[pokercuse08]

Yeah I was kidding. I’m sick of arguing with people about this chit it’s pointless they believe what they want to believe

Oh ok, my bad then, missed your sarcasm there. Yeah the way a lot of college sports fans think about the kids really pisses me off.

 

[UpstateSM]

Oh ok, my bad then, missed your sarcasm there. Yeah the way a lot of college sports fans think about the kids really pisses me off.

All good brotha

 

[23Zone]

Personally I think at the end of the day there will be far more exploitation of student athletes than before these new transfer rules. It's going to be like the wild wild west and can you imagine the backroom deals being made to students to lure them to certain programs? There is going to be widespread carnage. It almost seems to me you need to decide between playing college basketball or just go to the G league

 

[tbonezone]

Oh, please. They're getting nowhere near their market value.

add up the costs at syracuse for 2 semesters and tell me how many 18-19 year olds (hell you can even count adults) make that much annually. and keep in mind you're talking every schollie player. not just the 10-20 draftables in the entire US . college players are getting an incredible pay scale comparative to what they'd earn elsewhere. the idea they're working for free is just laughable and untrue. and ya know what ? if you don't like it take your skills and HIT THE MARKET . and good luck.

 

[kcsu]

Oh, please. They're getting nowhere near their market value. That's like telling a travelling salesman he should work for room and board because the cost of the travel, office space, housing, meals, etc ain't free. Anybody in any field would laugh an offer like that out of the room, but these kids are more or less coerced




Then stop watching. I doubt anyone will care. Man, the privilege in this post.

Most get way more than their market value.

 

[jncuse]

Beside their scholarship, I believe each basketball player gets over $4,000 per month as additional aide. $40,000 plus a scholarship isn’t too bad.

Link?
Source?

 

[pokercuse08]

add up the costs at syracuse for 2 semesters and tell me how many 18-19 year olds (hell you can even count adults) make that much annually. and keep in mind you're talking every schollie player. not just the 10-20 draftables in the entire US . college players are getting an incredible pay scale comparative to what they'd earn elsewhere. the idea they're working for free is just laughable and untrue. and ya know what ? if you don't like it take your skills and HIT THE MARKET . and good luck.

Now put a dollar value on those two semesters of education for kids whose primary goal is playing professional basketball in the NBA or overseas. I don't give a damn how much the average 18-19 year old makes annually, the average 18-19 year old can't put butts in seats or get people to park it in front of the TV every March to watch them shoot a basketball.

The NCAA Tournament alone is worth over a billion dollars to the networks, and something like $800 million to the NCAA. College basketball alone has to be easily worth over a billion to the NCAA, member schools, and conferences put together. These kids aren't getting their market value nor are they getting a cut of that.

10-20 draftables? Shoot, I thought there were 60 picks in the draft every year.

An incredible pay scale? Compared to what? Flipping burgers at McDonald's? Certainly not compared to playing professional basketball.

Meanwhile, the scholarships don't cost the schools the sticker price, nowhere near it. It's like a casino hotel comping you a room or a free buffet, it's a soft cost because most of it is already paid for on their end regardless of whether they give it to you for free or not.

 

[pokercuse08]

Most get way more than their market value.

Nope. First, the average college basketball player gets way less than the average market value of all college basketball players. Look at the NBA rookie pay scale, for starters.

Then keep in mind that even some of the guys who don't provide a lot of value to their school or make the NBA can go overseas and make six figures, so you have to factor that in.

We could get into drawing a distinction between the average P5 player and the average Ivy League player, but never the less, there are a ton of athletes getting way way less than their market value.

 

[tbonezone]

average basketball career is 4.5 years if by slim chance you ever get do picked up (about 2%) average bachelor degree gets you 66% more earnings lifetime than HS degree. so you think getting a free education, national showcase to play the game you love while getting an education is not worth the time you invest competing at the collegiate level. rather foolish and shortsighted i'd say for the vast majority of players who'll never earn a dime professionally . the lucky few ?...go play elsewhere for 5 years and then figure out what to do for the rest of your life with your HS degree.

 

[Bayside44]

What business is it of anyone’s, other than the kid and his family, what decisions they make and whether they are good or bad. In your world, it seems that you would have the NCAA assign kids to schools, to keep them from making “bad decisions.”

The school is investing a lot of money and a supposed time commitment with the scholarship so there is that. This isn’t a band kid leaving to play in a different band (not singling out the band).

 

[Bayside44]

Link?
Source?

Boeheim has talked about this repeatedly.

 

[Ozone!]

This rule must making team management a nightmare for most coaches. The rule works if your transfers are better players than those you lost. As far as Cuse is concerned, we must wait and see how things shake out.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Does it ruin the fan experience? Or does it just change it in a way that most fans don’t like?

We’re still going to have four year players that are universally loved and we’re going to get transfers from smaller conferences that we love. We’re going to lose guys sure but teams lose guys anyways.

Things will be different but I don’t think it’s going to ruin it for the fans. There would be 25k in the dome if we ran out a new starting 5 every season like Kentucky

Let's be honest. College basketball is at the point that it's very hard to know who is on the other team, beyond a small handful of players. Outside of your league, it's damn near impossible, because anybody who is any good is gone with a year or two, whether they are NBA ready or not.

The game is allowed to be more physical than the NBA on defense, and the players are far less skilled on offense. Officiating is poor and it seems like certain refs have been allowed to have biases against certain coaches for as long as I have been a fan.

The NCAA has a big problem on its hands. Amateurism is crumbling. A players union movement is coming again. Future payouts by ESPN and the big broadcasters are ready for a reset.

Come join me following soccer. No commercials. Lots of story lines, whole teams getting sent down to the minor leagues if they perform poorly. Best players in the world, playing country against country, club against club all across the continent. A true world championship of a sport that pretty much everyone in the world plays.

 

[Bayside44]

Let's be honest. College basketball is at the point that it's very hard to know who is on the other team, beyond a small handful of players. Outside of your league, it's damn near impossible, because anybody who is any good is gone with a year or two, whether they are NBA ready or not.

The game is allowed to be more physical than the NBA on defense, and the players are far less skilled on offense. Officiating is poor and it seems like certain refs have been allowed to have biases against certain coaches for as long as I have been a fan.

The NCAA has a big problem on its hands. Amateurism is crumbling. A players union movement is coming again. Future payouts by ESPN and the big broadcasters are ready for a reset.

Come join me following soccer. No commercials. Lots of story lines, whole teams getting sent down to the minor leagues if they perform poorly. Best players in the world, playing country against country, club against club all across the continent. A true world championship of a sport that pretty much everyone in the world plays.

I was with you until you said soccer

The games now are coaches moving lesser kids like chess pieces and so much junk ball. Painful to watch. And that’s all the NCAA has to sell.

 

[IthacaMatt]

If we look at this from a purely educational perspective, it is bad to have students transferring so much. The loss of continuity, transfer of credits etc.. generally isn't good from an educational perspective and transferring should be discouraged.

I strongly disagree with this. I was a college athlete and transferred from one school to another, but dropped the sports when I transferred to the better academic school.

Ironically enough, at the state school where I started out, some of the educational experiences were better than at the prestigious institution.

I am better for the experience of knowing that college can be "different things" and still deliver value and perspective. And then when I went to law school, that was at night, while I worked during the day.

That was maybe the best educational experience of them all, because everyone who was there was (1) really committed and not wasting other people's time with self-serving comments in class, and (2) everyone had day jobs, and so you had people with real-life experiences who could almost always weigh in with perspective on a case that we were studying.

I think that thinking that college for everyone is the same as your experience is a risk, if you don't encourage some freedom of movement. Some people are not ready for college when they start. Sometimes they flunk out, and have to start over somewhere else.

Education is a journey that hopefully lasts you a lifetime. I don't think your education is harmed at all by getting it in more than one place.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

No team can plan for their starting center being injured and out for they year 4 minutes in to the season. I wish he could have played the 4 as well.

Considering his injury history, it was basically to be expected. So failing to prepare for that eventuality was the real failure of the coaching staff.

 

[IthacaMatt]

add up the costs at syracuse for 2 semesters and tell me how many 18-19 year olds (hell you can even count adults) make that much annually. and keep in mind you're talking every schollie player. not just the 10-20 draftables in the entire US . college players are getting an incredible pay scale comparative to what they'd earn elsewhere. the idea they're working for free is just laughable and untrue. and ya know what ? if you don't like it take your skills and HIT THE MARKET . and good luck.

Who says that college is worth anywhere near the cost of tuition?

How useful is college in today's job market, compared to the cost?

How many of today's grads have $100K in debt before they start their professional lives, and then everyone wants them to work for free as an intern for a year or two before they get paid,

 

[721Comstock]

Considering his injury history, it was basically to be expected. So failing to prepare for that eventuality was the real failure of the coaching staff.

We have 3 other Bigs (and Marek) -
we’re gonna carry 4 reserve Centers, in case the starter gets injured (again)?

Now - the fact that none of those 3 Bigs was “ready” - is indeed on the coaching staff.

But the numbers, not so much.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

We have 3 other Bigs (and Marek) -
we’re gonna carry 4 reserve Centers, in case the starter gets injured (again)?

Now - the fact that none of those 3 Bigs was “ready” - is indeed on the coaching staff.

But the numbers, not so much.

The other bigs not being ready is exactly what I was talking about.

 

[jncuse]

Boeheim has talked about this repeatedly.

Source?
Link?

 

[tbonezone]

How many of today's grads have $100K in debt b

students athletes on scholarship carry ZERO debt. that $66 % + number is from the Hamilton project and numerous other studies. not something i made up. so again if you have a chance to get a FREE education at a prestigious university by all means take it.

 

[djcon57]

students athletes on scholarship carry ZERO debt. that $66 % + number is from the Hamilton project and numerous other studies. not something i made up. so again if you have a chance to get a FREE education at a prestigious university by all means take it.

because they have a talent that the school wants, one that you didn’t have, it’s not free. They earned it