Expectations in Year 1

[sufan59]

Detach yourself from expectations and enjoy the ride! You’ll have more fun that way.

I view this stuff very differently now. Been way too humbled as a Syracuse fan over the last several years. I expect competent basketball and hopefully that translates to a lot more wins than losses.

 

[tptcuse]

There are a few things a lot more likely to me than DJ Wagner speculation.

1a- Formal announcements around Brunt, Blackwell and any others on staff.

1b -News on actual PG targets which could be Wilkinson ( per On3 and MCW is his agent), Blyden ( fits that same profile plus kid came from Toledo and Rob Murphy is one of his reps), Alex Wilkens( prior relationship from being recruited by Siena), Derek Dixon( previously we recruited), either of the Mingos( Brunt has connection as does Kiyan), unknown Euro( given M3 signing)

2 - News on big man targets- Estrella (obvious reasons), Euro( speculation like above), names tbd without connection, backup depth via Gilhool( given prior relationship)

3- Sadiq/Donnie formal news as well as Akir ( figure that is a given)

4- formal annoucements on the Siena kids.

5- Additional out of nowhere updates or commits.

Number 5 has potential. I liked yesterday’s Euro news.

 

[tptcuse]

I view this stuff very differently now. Been way too humbled as a Syracuse fan over the last several years. I expect competent basketball and hopefully that translates to a lot more wins than losses.

I’ll add that selfishness is at play for me. I’ve spent a lot of money and time traveling to games. And I watch every game from beginning to end. It’s been rough.

 

[bnoro]

Detach yourself from expectations and enjoy the ride! You’ll have more fun that way.

Yeah, the years since 2016 have been so much more fun with no expectations of winning basketball.

 

[orangefog]

I’ll add that selfishness is at play for me. I’ve spent a lot of money and time traveling to games. And I watch every game from beginning to end. It’s been rough.

You are a trooper. I can't remember the last game I could stomach finishing.

 

[OrangePA]

1. Hire Gerry to raise massive NIL
2. Use NIL to build tournament roster
3. Gerry's "coaching acumen" should be able to get said roster to the tournament

If Gerry cannot build a tournament roster with the NIL money his hiring brought about, then he was not the right hire.

I didn't think I had to spell it out but here we are.

Got it!

So, what will be our record next year?

 

[bnoro]

Got it!

So, what will be our record next year?

The expectation is an NCAA tournament appearance, not on the bubble.

 

[Sbucketball]

1. Hire Gerry to raise massive NIL
2. Use NIL to build tournament roster
3. Gerry's "coaching acumen" should be able to get said roster to the tournament

If Gerry cannot build a tournament roster with the NIL money his hiring brought about, then he was not the right hire.

I didn't think I had to spell it out but here we are.

1(a) - hamstring NIL efforts by not having place to donate.

SU can't get out of its own way. And it might have been on purpose so the whales cover 12m in NIL and grassroots stuff goes to the AD, which is not the right move and not what most regular fans want with their money. Prices went up - I hope SU is not about to learn yet another hard lesson.

**Nothing here is an excuse for year 1 results --- tournament or bust.

 

[kirbivore]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

And the people rose up to play and did eat and drink. They were as the children of fools and cast off their clothes. The wicked were like a troubled sea whose waters cast up mire and dirt. They sank from evil to evil and were viler than the earth.

And there was rioting and drunkenness, for they had become servants of sin. There was manifest all manner of ungodliness and works of the flesh, even adultery and lasciviousness, uncleanness, idolatry and rioting, vanity and wrath.

Shoot, that's a typical weekend in Vegas.

 

[baggerbob]

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

Like you reference to Conan the Barbarian.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

And the people rose up to play and did eat and drink. They were as the children of fools and cast off their clothes. The wicked were like a troubled sea whose waters cast up mire and dirt. They sank from evil to evil and were viler than the earth.

And there was rioting and drunkenness, for they had become servants of sin. There was manifest all manner of ungodliness and works of the flesh, even adultery and lasciviousness, uncleanness, idolatry and rioting, vanity and wrath.

Shoot, that's a typical weekend in Vegas with @CuseTroop

Clarified it for you

 

[Cusefan95]

Got it!

So, what will be our record next year?

Miami was 25-8 and a #7 seed this year. Clemson was 24-10 and a #8 seed. So realistically - in order to be a tournament team that isn’t sweating it out on selection day, Syracuse needs about 24 or 25 wins.

There’s a chance that just getting into the NCAAs will be adequate to keep attention (and more importantly NIL money) up, so being a first four isn’t great but isn’t the end of the world. If Syracuse doesn’t make the NCAA tournament, I think getting things back on track ever is unlikely and we’re on the road to being another DePaul. But I think a decent percentage of the pro-GMac hiring crowd would be OK with that - they’d rather lose with GMac than win with an outside hire. Our parochial nature has been and will remain a major problem for the school and program.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Miami was 25-8 and a #7 seed this year. Clemson was 24-10 and a #8 seed. So realistically - in order to be a tournament team that isn’t sweating it out on selection day, Syracuse needs about 24 or 25 wins.

There’s a chance that just getting into the NCAAs will be adequate to keep attention (and more importantly NIL money) up, so being a first four isn’t great but isn’t the end of the world. If Syracuse doesn’t make the NCAA tournament, I think getting things back on track ever is unlikely and we’re on the road to being another DePaul. But I think a decent percentage of the pro-GMac hiring crowd would be OK with that - they’d rather lose with GMac than win with an outside hire. Our parochial nature has been and will remain a major problem for the school and program.

Yeah because every schedule is built the same. Those two were seeded lower because they beat no one in charmin soft OOC schedules.

 

[Cusefan95]

Yeah because every schedule is built the same. Those two were seeded lower because they beat no one in charmin soft OOC schedules.

Cool - so how many wins do we need to be a #8/#9 seed in your humble opinion?

The pro-GMac crowd that was losing their minds we might hire someone who didn't play here during the hiring process does a phenomenal job dancing around and refusing to commit to anything beyond "good basketball" or "competitive", and objecting to anyone who is holding the line on "clear NCAA tourney team or bust". So - what do you think it will take to be a #8/#9 seed next year, and would you agree that is the ABSOUTE MINIMUM to be a successful season?

Or are you also just a GMac jock sniffer who will be happy with lots of close losses because we have a "Syracuse guy" coaching the team?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Cool - so how many wins do we need to be a #8/#9 seed in your humble opinion?

The pro-GMac crowd that was losing their minds we might hire someone who didn't play here during the hiring process does a phenomenal job dancing around and refusing to commit to anything beyond "good basketball" or "competitive", and objecting to anyone who is holding the line on "clear NCAA tourney team or bust". So - what do you think it will take to be a #8/#9 seed next year, and would you agree that is the ABSOUTE MINIMUM to be a successful season?

Or are you also just a GMac jock sniffer who will be happy with lots of close losses because we have a "Syracuse guy" coaching the team?

Can't answer that. Some years it's 21 and some it's 25. It's WHO YOU BEAT. For the 50th time I wanted an outside hire, but I expect to make the tournament.

 

[Eric15]

Obviously making the tourney is of paramount importance, but another thing that is extremely important to me is to STOP GETTING BLOWN OUT. It's humiliating how many times under Red I literally would turn the game off mid-second half because it wasn't worth watching anymore. I obviously don't expect to win every game, but I do expect to at least compete in every game.

This past season, it always felt like the minute the lead got to like 8-10 points, we would suddenly be down 20 in the blink of an eye and just gave up.

 

[rrlbees]

But I think a decent percentage of the pro-GMac hiring crowd would be OK with that - they’d rather lose with GMac than win with an outside hire.

i know a lot of people here and outside here. sth's and casuals. i don't know 1 person that thinks that way. in fact just based on posts here the opposite is more likely. people who want gmac to fail.

 

[Cusefan95]

Can't answer that. Some years it's 21 and some it's 25. It's WHO YOU BEAT. For the 50th time I wanted an outside hire, but I expect to make the tournament.

So in a direct answer to the question what our record needs to be to be a successful season - I gave an actual answer for the number of wins based on a guess at what it will take to be a #8/#9 seed and you're upset by that. You prefer a meaningless, pointless, irrelevant answer of "I don't know".

"Make the tournament" IS NOT equal to #8/#9 seed. I wouldn't call scraping in to a play-in game by the skin of our teeth success - your answer leaves that possibility open. I wouldn't classify that as failure - but its absolutely not a success. Success equal #8/#9 seed or better. Way too many people are willing to settle for less than that.

There's no way to assign a win total to this part - but Syracuse needs to have more wins and a higher seed than Providence also. I don't expect that to be an issue...but its gotta be part of the equation here.

 

[Cusefan95]

i know a lot of people here and outside here. sth's and casuals. i don't know 1 person that thinks that way. in fact just based on posts here the opposite is more likely. people who want gmac to fail.

Way too many posts focusing on being just being competitive, or good basketball, or objecting to demands this needs to be a clear NCAA tourney team or its not a success.

You may not know 1 person who thinks that way - but they are doing a horrible job communicating in written form on this board that they have high expectations. Claiming otherwise just continues the gaslighting that started the minute Siena won the MAAC.

 

[jordoo]

I think these are good preliminary program expectations:
-perennial NCAAT team (no sweating) Protected seed at least a quarter of the time
-perennial ACC top 3rd, top 3 at least a quarter of the time.
-provided the first two are accomplished then the occasional outlier bubble season could be overlooked

 

[Knicks411]

So in a direct answer to the question what our record needs to be to be a successful season - I gave an actual answer for the number of wins based on a guess at what it will take to be a #8/#9 seed and you're upset by that. You prefer a meaningless, pointless, irrelevant answer of "I don't know".

Instead of guessing at the number of wins needed to be an 8/9 seed when setting expectations for the season, why can’t the expectation just to be an 8/9 seed? That seems like a totally reasonable goal to expect

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Instead of guessing at the number of wins needed to be an 8/9 seed when setting expectations for the season, why can’t the expectation just to be an 8/9 seed? That seems like a totally reasonable goal to expect

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