fantastic lies

[tbonezone]

30 for 30 doing a piece on the duke lacrosse scandal. pretty compelling stuff so far. i'll have to post more after it's done. espn typically does a nice job with these pieces.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Don't tell me how it ends ... I'll watch it tomorrow.

 

[samspann1]

That speech by Dave Evans...wow.

Incredibly courageous given the circumstances and stakes.

 

[longislandcuse]

Do prosecutors and detectives have any conscience about putting away innocent people? Between this and Making a Murderer along with the multiple other shows and podcasts about this stuff it is an outright indictment of the predatory nature of our criminal justice system.

 

[longislandcuse]

Wow... Did not know all those bombs dropped at the end of the documentary.

 

[Jake]

Wow. Just wow. So many lives ruined. Amazing story. Great documentary exposing a lot of societal ills.

Great piece.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Darren Rovell ‏@darrenrovell
After being wrongly accused in the Duke LAX case, Reade Seligmann became a lawyer. He works at Connell Foley in NJ #FantasticLies

Dave Evans, who was wrongly accused in the Duke LAX case, works at Apax Partners, which bought Cole Haan in 2012 from Nike #FantasticLies

 

[patcuse]

Just unbelievable. What a great job the boys attorneys did.

 

[orangecuse]

I watched it. As Coach K would say, it was amazing!

In all seriousness, it was very compelling, one of best one's yet in my opinion. Bilas' letter to the editor calling out the Duke President was quite bold...good for him, as it's golden.

 

[samspann1]

I watched it. As Coach K would say, it was amazing!

In all seriousness, it was very compelling, one of best one's yet in my opinion. Bilas' letter to the editor calling out the Duke President was quite bold...good for him, as it's golden.

Bilas strikes me as a guy who's good to have on your side.

Glad that he's an honorary Orangeman.

 

[Cusefan95]

Do prosecutors and detectives have any conscience about putting away innocent people? Between this and Making a Murderer along with the multiple other shows and podcasts about this stuff it is an outright indictment of the predatory nature of our criminal justice system.

The short answer is no - the "justice system" is largely about protecting and enhancing the careers of the lawyers and judges, any justice which actually results is merely coincidence. I have an acquaintance that was accused of rape, the evidence was literally non-existent...but the grand jury indicted him and the judge allowed the trial to proceed because nobody wanted to be seen as "letting a rapist get away with it". Ultimately he was found not guilty, but the whole thing was such a sham it exposed to me what a fraud the legal system in America is.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Do prosecutors and detectives have any conscience about putting away innocent people? Between this and Making a Murderer along with the multiple other shows and podcasts about this stuff it is an outright indictment of the predatory nature of our criminal justice system.

Hey, our very own Bill Fitzpatrick withheld evidence in the Cynthia Pugh murder trial. However, it was determined that the evidence, in and of itself, would not have been sufficient to acquit. Of course, the original jury was 11-1 to acquit, and the missing evidence (three well dressed men leaving the driveway of the victims home at about the time of the killing) fit neatly with the defense theory of a professional hit.
Prosecutors hide stuff all the time.

 

[im4cuse]

Bilas strikes me as a guy who's good to have on your side.

Glad that he's an honorary Orangeman.

Love Bilas. The episode was great as I had hoped; faithful to the Stuart Taylor comprehensive book on Nifong's disgrace. Hopefully Desko had the boys watch it -- a cautionary tale for sure. So glad my kid graduated safely from SU; athletes and young men in general are so at risk for this crap. And make no mistake, SU admin would throw them under the bus too once the mob circles.

 

[im4cuse]

Allegedly the boys and families settled with Duke for about $50M, and likely agreed to a gag order by the boys. Good that the parents still had a voice.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Roger N]

I watched it. As Coach K would say, it was amazing!

In all seriousness, it was very compelling, one of best one's yet in my opinion. Bilas' letter to the editor calling out the Duke President was quite bold...good for him, as it's golden.

From what I recall Coach K backed the firing of the lax coach

 

[orangecuse]

From what I recall Coach K backed the firing of the lax coach

Amazing!

 

[pattycuse]

If you enjoyed the documentary, read "Until Proven Innocent". It's a fantastic book that breaks down not only the media rush to judgement but how the university really left these kids twisting in the wind. That's the one thing that didn't get quite as much coverage in the documentary- they glossed over just how poorly many of Duke's own professors behaved in the aftermath. Great read.

 

[samspann1]

If you enjoyed the documentary, read "Until Proven Innocent". It's a fantastic book that breaks down not only the media rush to judgement but how the university really left these kids twisting in the wind. That's the one thing that didn't get quite as much coverage in the documentary- they glossed over just how poorly many of Duke's own professors behaved in the aftermath. Great read.

I remember reading about the "Group of 88", a group of Duke professors who signed some sort of ad condemning the accused, shortly after the incident.

 

[creatorsgam]

I remember reading about the "Group of 88", a group of Duke professors who signed some sort of ad condemning the accused, shortly after the incident.

Mob justice. Scary stuff, really.

 

[tbonezone]

the evidence is sketchy at best . but clearly hookers and booze and (?) at a house party. let's not pretend these are the choir boys their parents pretend them to be. i understand that a false charge can ruin your life forever but hitting the cash machine after midnight ? mama said you should be in bed. nothing good gonna happen.

 

[Orangeman]

the evidence is sketchy at best . but clearly hookers and booze and (?) at a house party. let's not pretend these are the choir boys their parents pretend them to be. i understand that a false charge can ruin your life forever but hitting the cash machine after midnight ? mama said you should be in bed. nothing good gonna happen.

This is a pretty dumb comment. They hit the cash machine so they could grab Mexican food because, you know, college athletes are hungry all The time.

They had a beer party because for some dumb reason in our country they can send you to war but you can't drink at age 18.

You seem to fall into the kind of trap a lot of people do...that is that the VAST MAJORITY of people drink underage and the VAST MAJORITY have been to a strip club or stripper party. BUT if you get "caught" you're bad. Unacceptable.

If you're the kind of person who's never done these things, well, we're not operating in the same realm and I just don't accept your judgements, simple as that.

The vast majority of these athletes' peers were off to Florida or something ripping it up, and they were stuck on an empty campus looking for something to do.

This is the kind of relative thinking I can't stand personally.

The woman agreed, for a fee, to go to their house and take her clothes off...when I was in college the women's lacrosse team did the same thing (we got out of there knowing we'd be screwed if "caught"). Guess what, they were caught and nothing happened to them.

"Society"

 

[Delmar]

If you're the kind of person who's never done these things, well, we're not operating in the same realm and I just don't accept your judgements, simple as that.

So, if you have never been to a strip club then you have no credibility commenting on the issue.

 

[Newhouser]

It is starting to look like officials at Yale should be researching this case.

 

[tbonezone]

well the drinking age was 18 when I was at college so that wouldn't break any laws . and yes I've been to strip clubs but have never invited hookers to my house much less had one pass out drunk in my bathroom. big difference there.
thirdly bust any wild party with booze and drunk hookers and 99.9% you'll find more drugs. just sayin' not choirboys.