Feldman Feature On The Athletic

[OrangeXtreme]

In this era, if Syracuse had coaches as skilled and highly regarded as Coach P and DeLeone they would have gotten bigger offers to leave. Penn State, Michigan, ND etc.

P wasn't leaving Syracuse.

Not if his wife had anything to say about it.

 

[cusefan88]

P wasn't leaving Syracuse.

Not if his wife had anything to say about it.

Back then yes. In 2023 I don't know if that is true.

 

[djorange1989]

we've had one good season in 7 years. Objectively he's been a w/l failure. there are things he's done to provide the unversity with some positive momentum (we're not considered the absolute worst anymore) but he's no paul pasqualoni in his prime.

The days of Dino getting a free pass are over. His record is mediocrity which is what we decided wasn't good enough for Pasqualoni. Enough time has passed to realize it's mediocrity with Dino's guys too.

We need to become a perennial bowl team. If we don’t, he will be replaced. After this season if we don’t make one, I believe. Though I believe we will

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Back then yes. In 2023 I don't know if that is true.

He'd be 73.

 

[elimunelson]

P wasn't leaving Syracuse.

Not if his wife had anything to say about it.

P could have left after Fiesta. Syracuse was a destination of sorts. Would Beamer have left tech?

The big takeaway is intelligence and coaching can make up for recruits and money. Not 100% of the way but allows you to punch back.

 

[OrangePA]

That 2005 team was all but guaranteed to have a losing record no matter who was HC. We had a lot more issues than just QB.

GRob actually improved the D performance, especially against the Spread.

The group of WRs Coach P left behind was criminal. And 2004 was pretty bad too.

Coach P needed to go. He was a very good HC for about a decade but his time had passed. I think his time at UConn only further proves that point.

So, a coaching staff that won 10 games in 2001 was past its time in 2004.

The 2004 team won six games - won a share of the Big East Championship - beat a very good BC team - should have beaten a very good FSU team - beat a solid Pitt team and went to a bowl game.

I will go with Chris Rippon over this inaccurate post.

 

[OrangePA]

Syracuse football was once a beacon of success and innovation. Will that remain a memory?

Syracuse football once had its own identity and brand. As the Orange have lost it, the wins have been fewer and fewer.

theathletic.com

Painful to read.

 

[GoSU96]

So, a coaching staff that won 10 games in 2001 was past its time in 2004.

The 2004 team won six games - won a share of the Big East Championship - beat a very good BC team - should have beaten a very good FSU team - beat a solid Pitt team and went to a bowl game.

I will go with Chris Rippon over this inaccurate post.

yep

 

[HRE Otto IV]

So, a coaching staff that won 10 games in 2001 was past its time in 2004.

The 2004 team won six games - won a share of the Big East Championship - beat a very good BC team - should have beaten a very good FSU team - beat a solid Pitt team and went to a bowl game.

I will go with Chris Rippon over this inaccurate post.

What does 2001 have to do with the 2005 environment? Also did we have a Freeney waiting in the wings? All coaches run their course. It happens to everyone. Saying Coach P is human, isn't an insult to him or his legacy. Pretending it didn't happen is delusional.

In 2004 we had bookend blowouts. We also lost to a very bad Temple team who ran the same play over and over and we had no solution. We should have gone to the BCS Bowl that year. Going 6-6 isn't some achievement. It was a sign of a downward trend.

That 2004 team barely won 6 games. We lost players to graduation. 2005 was going to be worse. Saban couldn't win with our QB and WR combo in 2005.

So what exactly was inaccurate? Post McNabb in the old Big East we were 17-18 in conference. That is a five year period and a LOSING Big East record. Then with a watered down Big East we go 4-2. So he was 21-20 in his last 6 years in the Big East. Take your head out of the sand. That isn't good enough. It is JBesque.

Like I said every HC eventually runs their course. Admitting Coach P was at his end does not mean he wasn't a very good HC during his heyday. Pretending he is not human, is a little weird.



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Those huge losses that we had no replacements for Reyes (look at the big games he had in our Ws that year), Ferri (BC alone, but also on D), Terry (NFL 2nd round pick), Tarullo (all conference and started last 37 games), Jones (the only real WR on the roster in 2004). So without those huge losses we are having a better season in 2005?

 

[All4SU]

What does 2001 have to do with the 2005 environment? Also did we have a Freeney waiting in the wings? All coaches run their course. It happens to everyone. Saying Coach P is human, isn't an insult to him or his legacy. Pretending it didn't happen is delusional.

In 2004 we had bookend blowouts. We also lost to a very bad Temple team who ran the same play over and over and we had no solution. We should have gone to the BCS Bowl that year. Going 6-6 isn't some achievement. It was a sign of a downward trend.

That 2004 team barely won 6 games. We lost players to graduation. 2005 was going to be worse. Saban couldn't win with our QB and WR combo in 2005.

So what exactly was inaccurate? Post McNabb in the old Big East we were 17-18 in conference. That is a five year period and a LOSING Big East record. Then with a watered down Big East we go 4-2. So he was 21-20 in his last 6 years in the Big East. Take your head out of the sand. That isn't good enough. It is JBesque.

Like I said every HC eventually runs their course. Admitting Coach P was at his end does not mean he wasn't a very good HC during his heyday. Pretending he is not human, is a little weird.



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Those huge losses that we had no replacements for Reyes (look at the big games he had in our Ws that year), Ferri (BC alone, but also on D), Terry (NFL 2nd round pick), Tarullo (all conference and started last 37 games), Jones (the only real WR on the roster in 2004). So without those huge losses we are having a better season in 2005?

Maybe in a “watered down” Big East it would have been easier for P to bounce back than try to tear the program down to the studs.

 

[Bayside44]

we've had one good season in 7 years. Objectively he's been a w/l failure. there are things he's done to provide the unversity with some positive momentum (we're not considered the absolute worst anymore) but he's no paul pasqualoni in his prime.

The days of Dino getting a free pass are over. His record is mediocrity which is what we decided wasn't good enough for Pasqualoni. Enough time has passed to realize it's mediocrity with Dino's guys too.

Completely different times. I love our old players - sometimes though they wonder why we don't have RFA guys on the roster.

NYS is such a different place now.

Dino going into the mid South and GA is keeping us afloat.

 

[Bayside44]

P could have left after Fiesta. Syracuse was a destination of sorts. Would Beamer have left tech?

The big takeaway is intelligence and coaching can make up for recruits and money. Not 100% of the way but allows you to punch back.

Beamer was out the door to UNC but it ended up being a bit of a situation.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Maybe in a “watered down” Big East it would have been easier for P to bounce back than try to tear the program down to the studs.

Recruiting was already torn down. The quick decision to fire Coach P was a mistake. He should have been afforded the opportunity to pivot.

That means changing the O and getting your hands dirty on the recruiting trail. I don’t think Coach P agrees to that. And who knows maybe he was given that option before his firing.

 

[sufandu]

NYS is such a different place now.

Yeah, you can look at the impact players just from CNY that Mac was able to get. We don't have that anymore. The job exodus probably has a lot to do with that. I wonder if Micron will eventually change any of that.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Recruiting was already torn down. The quick decision to fire Coach P was a mistake. He should have been afforded the opportunity to pivot.

That means changing the O and getting your hands dirty on the recruiting trail. I don’t think Coach P agrees to that. And who knows maybe he was given that option before his firing.

Should have kept him another year and done a proper search. Gross and cantor were the worst things to happen to SU

 

[anomander]

I’ve always felt with the talent we had in that period we still underachieved. We always managed to lose an early season game that we shouldn’t have. NC St and ECU got us a couple times, otherwise it was a close loss to a highly ranked team (tOSU and Oklahoma a few times trtttcome to mind) at the time. i think there was twice we started inside top 8 and we finished not ranked. Regardless, it was a good run with some very talented players and a fun time to be a fan. Home games were packed, especially the big ones. I certainly took it for granted thinking we would always be like that.

 

[Eric15]

That 2005 team was all but guaranteed to have a losing record no matter who was HC.

Respectfully disagree with that. That 2005 team had an excellent defense and a below average but serviceable offense with many returning parts from the 2004 team that went to a bowl.

GRob's (RIP) decision to try and run a pro-style West Coast offense with slow/lumbering Perry Patterson and not quick receivers was just painfully stupid. I think we could have cranked out 4-5 wins instead of 1 with another coach.

 

[GoSU96]

Respectfully disagree with that. That 2005 team had an excellent defense and a below average but serviceable offense with many returning parts from the 2004 team that went to a bowl.

GRob's (RIP) decision to try and run a pro-style West Coast offense with slow/lumbering Perry Patterson and not quick receivers was just painfully stupid. I think we could have cranked out 4-5 wins instead of 1 with another coach.

It didn’t help that Brian Pariani had a nervous breakdown

 

[Eric15]

It didn’t help that Brian Pariani had a nervous breakdown

I'm drawing a blank on that. Like an actual one or a metaphorical one?

 

[Chip]

Respectfully disagree with that. That 2005 team had an excellent defense and a below average but serviceable offense with many returning parts from the 2004 team that went to a bowl.

GRob's (RIP) decision to try and run a pro-style West Coast offense with slow/lumbering Perry Patterson and not quick receivers was just painfully stupid. I think we could have cranked out 4-5 wins instead of 1 with another coach.

I agree with this. With continuity its probability similar to 2003 or 2004. Although Steve Gregory either made the offense or defense a little better but not both, would have had to pick a side. Don’t think he was going to do Diamond Ferri duty, that was a one time specialty.

2005 was also an 11 game season and not an easy schedule (UVA, @FSU, @ND OOC) The Big East was also better than people thought it would be that year.

That said, I don’t agree with Rippon’s hindsight that the team was “loaded”, but it certainly wasn’t 1 win talent. Might have had Ray Rice too, to replace Reyes and keep 2 back continuity.

 

[sufandu]

Respectfully disagree with that. That 2005 team had an excellent defense and a below average but serviceable offense with many returning parts from the 2004 team that went to a bowl.

GRob's (RIP) decision to try and run a pro-style West Coast offense with slow/lumbering Perry Patterson and not quick receivers was just painfully stupid. I think we could have cranked out 4-5 wins instead of 1 with another coach.

Isn't that what he said? 4-5 wins is a losing record.

 

[Dinkyspond]

So, a coaching staff that won 10 games in 2001 was past its time in 2004.

The 2004 team won six games - won a share of the Big East Championship - beat a very good BC team - should have beaten a very good FSU team - beat a solid Pitt team and went to a bowl game.

I will go with Chris Rippon over this inaccurate post.

I don’t know about that. Bookend blowout losses to Purdue (51-0?) and Georgia Tech in Champs Sports Bowl (51-14?) and inexplicable regular season loss to Temple. Something had to be done but Robinson was a an A1 disaster by a new AD who was clueless

 

[orangenauburn]

I'm drawing a blank on that. Like an actual one or a metaphorical one?

I believe an actual one, but I also could be not remembering right. I vaguely remember it being brought up on this board over the years by reputable posters

 

[Eric15]

Isn't that what he said? 4-5 wins is a losing record.

Yes he did. I just think there is a huge difference between a 1-10 dumpster fire and a 5-6 team in striking distance of a bowl. It gives GRob a pass for a miserable coaching strategy saying anyone would have done the same.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

P wasn't leaving Syracuse.

Not if his wife had anything to say about it.

Your old classmate?