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Fire Autry

Cusefan69 said:
ADJW has been a professional for some 40 years? I am going to operate on the premise he knows how to professionally maneuver and he does not have the JB unicorn to navigate this time around.
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I guess we're about to find out.
I don't think it was much of a national search to replace Dino.
 
IthacaMatt said:
I guess we're about to find out.
I don't think it was much of a national search to replace Dino.
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Fair enough but probably a very small few know what actually happened. For the record I don’t know. ADJW doesn’t have to outsource his process with a firm. I would expect reasonably he would have had to share his process and decision making with the chancellor and BoT. I don’t think he goes to the Chancellor and says”hey this guy Fran called me, I was immediately aligned and wanted him hired on the spot and by the way I didn’t look at anyone else. Nor did I solicit inputs and guidance.” I mean people need to take a step back and just think about it carefully. Especially given the amount of money involved. Fans get emotional so kinda think emotionally. (Not saying you are, just in general).
 
Cusefan69 said:
Fair enough but probably a very small few know what actually happened. For the record I don’t know. ADJW doesn’t have to outsource his process with a firm. I would expect reasonably he would have had to share his process and decision making with the chancellor and BoT. I don’t think he goes to the Chancellor and says”hey this guy Fran called me, I was immediately aligned and wanted him hired on the spot and by the way I didn’t look at anyone else. Nor did I solicit inputs and guidance.” I mean people need to take a step back and just think about it carefully. Especially given the amount of money involved. Fans get emotional so kinda think emotionally. (Not saying you are, just in general).
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I think the school should use an outside advisor along with a search committee. Chancellor and BoT should only have final vote of approval. I have no faith the university can run a wholly internal process that will result in a high quality head coach.
 

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walsh2012 said:
How the hell did Boeheim honestly think Autry was the guy? What a disaster.
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When ADJW made the difficult choice to force JB to finally step down, the hard part was in the rear view mirror. Unfortunately, he and certain members of the BoT absolutely BLEW IT by hiring an undequalified candidate in Autry at a time when the program was in a precarious position after a near-decade of decline under Boeheim.

People will say that JW had "no choice," or that Boeheim would have thrown a tantrum if we'd gone outside of the program. I say, so what? He would have had a tantrum, and then it would have been over, they would have given him the same job he has, and the band aid would have been ripped off.

Instead, the program has declined even further, we have the worst coach of any P4 school, and fan apathy is at an all time high. It is an expensive lesson -- the path of least resistance might be "easiest," but when you hire someone unqualified in a performance-driven role, failure is the most likely outcome.

This whole thing was botched from the start. You don't artificially constrain the candidate pool. You don't hire an inexperienced "captain" when the ship is floudering. And you don't install someone with no proven track record, and make a continuity hire, when performance is already poor.

Red is one of our own. He's a very nice guy. He is a very good assistant coach. But hopefully this is an object lesson of what NOT to do when it comes to making hires.
 
RF2044 said:
When ADJW made the difficult choice to force JB to finally step down, the hard part was in the rear view mirror. Unfortunately, he and certain members of the BoT absolutely BLEW IT by hiring an undequalified candidate in Autry at a time when the program was in a precarious position after a near-decade of decline under Boeheim.

People will say that JW had "no choice," or that Boeheim would have thrown a tantrum if we'd gone outside of the program. I say, so what? He would have had a tantrum, and then it would have been over, they would have given him the same job he has, and the band aid would have been ripped off.

Instead, the program has declined even further, we have the worst coach of any P4 school, and fan apathy is at an all time high. It is an expensive lesson -- the path of least resistance might be "easiest," but when you hire someone unqualified in a performance-driven role, failure is the most likely outcome.

This whole thing was botched from the start. You don't artificially constrain the candidate pool. You don't hire an inexperienced "captain" when the ship is floudering. And you don't install someone with no proven track record, and make a continuity hire, when performance is already poor.

Red is one of our own. He's a very nice guy. He is a very good assistant coach. But hopefully this is an object lesson of what NOT to do when it comes to making hires.
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It may not have been ADJW's "difficult choice" to retire JB. Some think it was KS & the AW angle might have been part of it.

At the time the powers that be might have thought it was prudent to keep JB inside the tent and not go off bad mouthing SU and the program. In hindsight that may not have been the best decision if it resulted in the current situation.
 
OrlandoCuse said:
I think the school should use an outside advisor along with a search committee. Chancellor and BoT should only have final vote of approval. I have no faith the university can run a wholly internal process that will result in a high quality head coach.
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I don't disagree and have previously been an advocate of that approach. What was intended in my wording was that ADJW can go through a process that does engage external feedback and talk with other parties directly or said differently just because he doesn't use an external committee doesn't mean he didn't go through a process that looked at options.
 
RF2044 said:
When ADJW made the difficult choice to force JB to finally step down, the hard part was in the rear view mirror. Unfortunately, he and certain members of the BoT absolutely BLEW IT by hiring an undequalified candidate in Autry at a time when the program was in a precarious position after a near-decade of decline under Boeheim.

People will say that JW had "no choice," or that Boeheim would have thrown a tantrum if we'd gone outside of the program. I say, so what? He would have had a tantrum, and then it would have been over, they would have given him the same job he has, and the band aid would have been ripped off.

Instead, the program has declined even further, we have the worst coach of any P4 school, and fan apathy is at an all time high. It is an expensive lesson -- the path of least resistance might be "easiest," but when you hire someone unqualified in a performance-driven role, failure is the most likely outcome.

This whole thing was botched from the start. You don't artificially constrain the candidate pool. You don't hire an inexperienced "captain" when the ship is floudering. And you don't install someone with no proven track record, and make a continuity hire, when performance is already poor.

Red is one of our own. He's a very nice guy. He is a very good assistant coach. But hopefully this is an object lesson of what NOT to do when it comes to making hires.
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Other than recruiting what was the upside that put him over the top to be hired. I just don’t see it. The feel good story of hiring one of our own isn’t enough to make the hire. Nobody outside the bot cares where the coach came from. Just a lazy hire. Jab was already disgruntled from being fired.
 

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