Fire Autry

[IthacaMatt]

One of the more baffling decisions along with hiring Dan Engelstad to replace GMac.

Well, I think they thought that hiring Dan would get them Dakota Layhew, and he wound up going elsewhere for a bigger bag.

 

[grepal]

At this rate I feel like he will be back next year.

I don't think so. When so many of our former great players say they are frustrated, when very good, not great, but very good money was spent, when we have the best player we have had in at least a decade on this team and our record is mediocre at best something should change. I believe in patience but I would really need to be sold to keep Red. I respect JAB tremendously. When he says it takes 5 years I listen. That being stated I see more talent and worse results. Just don't see Red back.
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[CU44SE]

I don’t know where people think there was happiness when red was hired. The board was not happy. Everyone was in agreement a national search needed to happen.

However, people started to talk themselves into it after his press conference and liked what he said.

 

[SUbear]

I don't think so. When so many of our former great players say they are frustrated, when very good, not great, but very good money was spent, when we have the best player we have had in at least a decade on this team and our record is mediocre at best something should change. I believe in patience but I would really need to be sold to keep Red. I respect JAB tremendously. When he says it takes 5 years I listen. That being stated I see more talent and worse results. Just don't see Red back.
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5 years with good coaching, Red has been far from good for all of his three years. Stick with this and SU continues a downward spiral of mediocrity.
I have had more than enough of poor preparation, failure to perform basic offensive tasks, and whatever Red thinks is an offense. Not to mention totally undisciplined players.

 

[elimunelson]

Gerry was his first choice. Not Autry. This is well known.

So if boeheim had so much juice wildhack thought the guy who was incompetent and terrible was the pick?

Then this is on John more than I thought.

 

[elimunelson]

Truth hurts on the big east comment

It hurt us a lot. Our identity was the big east.

 

[MSOrange]

So if boeheim had so much juice wildhack thought the guy who was incompetent and terrible was the pick?

Then this is on John more than I thought.

I think Matt had a really good point with this post.

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Tuesday at 2:33 PM

"We know the Autry hiring was dictated by JB"


We were told here that JB lobbied for Gerry... not Autry.

Yes, and they couldn't hire Gerry over Autry when Autry had seniority and is a person of color without facing a shitstorm of bad publicity for passing over the Associate Head Coach to hire somebody with noticeably less experience.

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[Charbroil]

From the peanut gallery ar UConn:

The “Syracuse (or Jim Boeheim) would have never won a championship without Carmelo Anthony” thing is so stupid for many reasons, but 2 in particular:

First, you need good players and typically at least one great player to win a championship. Take the best player off of the last 25 National champions and how many still win the championship? There’s only 2 that I can think of. (07 Florida and one of the recent UConn teams)

Secondly, Syracuse has had more heart break over the years in the tourney than good luck. The Keith Smart jumper in 87, AO’s injury in 2010, having to play one of the greatest teams of all time in 96. It’s not hard to imagine a universe where Syracuse has 2 or 3 championships. So I’m not going to apologize for Carmelo Anthony being the biggest factor in winning Syracuse a championship in 03.

Rant over.

 

[721Comstock]

The “Syracuse (or Jim Boeheim) would have never won a championship without Carmelo Anthony” thing is so stupid for many reasons, but 2 in particular:

First, you need good players and typically at least one great player to win a championship. Take the best player off of the last 25 National champions and how many still win the championship? There’s only 2 that I can think of. (07 Florida and one of the recent UConn teams)

Secondly, Syracuse has had more heart break over the years in the tourney than good luck. The Keith Smart jumper in 87, AO’s injury in 2010, having to play one of the greatest teams of all time in 96. It’s not hard to imagine a universe where Syracuse has 2 or 3 championships. So I’m not going to apologize for Carmelo Anthony being the biggest factor in winning Syracuse a championship in 03.

Rant over.

Rick Barnes had Kevin Durant, NPOY at Texas, along with 3 other future NBA players on that squad.

And couldn’t even get past the opening weekend of the Big Dance.

Talent is important, but coaching also matters.

PS - you left out Fab getting suspended in 2012.
That was another team that had what it took to win a Natty.

 

[Scooch]

Two things can be true... (1) Syracuse is still a major program, and (2) UConn has been far better for quite some time.

Unfortunately, we expended a lot of energy over the past decade rationalizing why we were in decline rather than spending the energy necessary to make the program better.

As soon as Boeheim started in on the "only the Tournament matters" nonsense - and had a bunch of acolytes defending that POV - I knew we were through the looking glass.

 

[Scooch]

Also, SU's identity wasn't the Big East. Our identity was Syracuse. It was high-scoring, alley-ooping, zone-defending, 33,000 in the Carrier Dome.

Besides, the Big East of today doesn't resemble the Big East of 2013, or 2003, or 1993, or 1983. Put our current roster with our current coach in the BE and we're still a .500 team.

 

[Newhouser]

Two things can be true... (1) Syracuse is still a major program, and (2) UConn has been far better for quite some time.

Unfortunately, we expended a lot of energy over the past decade rationalizing why we were in decline rather than spending the energy necessary to make the program better.

As soon as Boeheim started in on the "only the Tournament matters" nonsense - and had a bunch of acolytes defending that POV - I knew we were through the looking glass.

In the early years if there was an early NCAA flameout the company line from JB was the regular season matters the tournament is a crapshoot. When we would sneak in and make some noise the tournament became the only thing that mattered.

I always value the regular season performance more because the one and done can get you in so many ways (officiating, injury, hot shooting, bad draw etc). You put enough dominant regular seasons together you will eventually get a chance to grab the ring.

 

[orange79]

lol "tried to bury the Big East along the way" Since we wanted to play football, we did what was right for Syracuse. I guess if UConn had received the same offer, they would have turned it down, just to maintain conference comradery, right? Moron.

Truth hurts on the big east comment

It hurt us a lot. Our identity was the big east.

See the above comment. You are so wrong. We loved everything about the Big East. Other than the idiocracy that ran the conference and made it impossible to stay, if we wanted to play big boy football.

 

[Newhouser]

Well, I think they thought that hiring Dan would get them Dakota Layhew, and he wound up going elsewhere for a bigger bag.

which I didn't understand as Leffew was fine at Georgia but he wasn't Chris Paul by any means.

 

[MSOrange]

In the early years if there was an early NCAA flameout the company line from JB was the regular season matters the tournament is a crapshoot. When we would sneak in and make some noise the tournament became the only thing that mattered.

I always value the regular season performance more because the one and done can get you in so many ways (officiating, injury, hot shooting, bad draw etc). You put enough dominant regular seasons together you will eventually get a chance to grab the ring.

Agree 100%. I've always looked at it like the tournament is the ultimate prize and what most focus on, but a regular season of 30 games vs your peers is the best test of the true health of your program.

 

[sufan59]

If I learned anything, we may not play them anymore in men's basketball, but UConn is clearly our biggest rival. Someday we will both be good at the same time and we will play epic games against one another again. Georgetown was also about the coaches. UConn is about the coaches and the schools.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Two things can be true... (1) Syracuse is still a major program, and (2) UConn has been far better for quite some time.

Unfortunately, we expended a lot of energy over the past decade rationalizing why we were in decline rather than spending the energy necessary to make the program better.

As soon as Boeheim started in on the "only the Tournament matters" nonsense - and had a bunch of acolytes defending that POV - I knew we were through the looking glass.

Those were great times. Now we don’t even have that because we don’t make the tournament. People seemed to struggle with the FACT that top 4 seeds advance further in the tournament than the rest. And like most data sets there are outliers.

 

[Charbroil]

Rick Barnes had Kevin Durant, NPOY at Texas, along with 3 other future NBA players on that squad.

And couldn’t even get past the opening weekend of the Big Dance.

Talent is important, but coaching also matters.

PS - you left out Fab getting suspended in 2012.
That was another team that had what it took to win a Natty.

I thought about 2012 but left it off since it was a self-inflicted wound that kept that team from being full-strength in the tourney.

 

[kirbivore]

So if boeheim had so much juice wildhack thought the guy who was incompetent and terrible was the pick?

Then this is on John more than I thought.

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[Scooch]

Those were great times. Now we don’t even have that because we don’t make the tournament. People seemed to struggle with the FACT that top 4 seeds advance further in the tournament than the rest. And like most data sets there are outliers.

Right? Jim spent FOURTY YEARS saying how the tourney was a crapshoot. Then all of a sudden it was "the tournament is the only thing that matters!" and tons of folks here parroted that nonsense. You know, because we could only offer 11 scholarships instead of 13 for a couple years. Funny how that coincided with the worst regular season stretch of his career.

 

[dasher]

lol "tried to bury the Big East along the way" Since we wanted to play football, we did what was right for Syracuse. I guess if UConn had received the same offer, they would have turned it down, just to maintain conference comradery, right? Moron.

See the above comment. You are so wrong. We loved everything about the Big East. Other than the idiocracy that ran the conference and made it impossible to stay, if we wanted to play big boy football.

In the history of the Big East while we were in it, Syracuse had by far the best overall record. G-town was second. UConn was 3rd

 

[IthacaMatt]

Right? Jim spent FOURTY YEARS saying how the tourney was a crapshoot. Then all of a sudden it was "the tournament is the only thing that matters!" and tons of folks here parroted that nonsense. You know, because we could only offer 11 scholarships instead of 13 for a couple years. Funny how that coincided with the worst regular season stretch of his career.

Well, he never usually played more than 8 or 9 guys, so how much did it really hurt that we didn't have 2 more developmental guys at the end of the bench who would never play?

 

[NineOneSeven]

Right? Jim spent FOURTY YEARS saying how the tourney was a crapshoot. Then all of a sudden it was "the tournament is the only thing that matters!" and tons of folks here parroted that nonsense. You know, because we could only offer 11 scholarships instead of 13 for a couple years. Funny how that coincided with the worst regular season stretch of his career.

It’s ridiculous. We haven’t been higher than a 8 seed in 12 seasons.

Are people capable of understanding this?

But the tournament is all that matters. It’s hilarious the mental gymnastics some people did. And in some ways continue to do. But at this point, it’s pretty damn hard. Even for them.

 

[IthacaMatt]

It’s ridiculous. We haven’t been higher than a 8 seed in 12 seasons.

Wow. That's a grim statistic.

 

[NKR1978]

Truth hurts on the big east comment

It hurt us a lot. Our identity was the big east.

It didn't hurt us when we were #1 in the country and a huge national draw. What hurt us were the sanctions that came when JB was checked out. Those sanctions were designed to hurt us and they did. It isn't the ACC's fault that Boeheim couldn't keep his nose clean.