First NET Rankings

[jdubs30]

NCAA Statistics

stats.ncaa.org

 

[jdubs30]

Cuse - 117


Really too early to worry about this, but IU is 56 and FSU is 77

 

[orangemass]

Got work to do

 

[jdubs30]

Other than the Colgate loss, our main issue is we haven’t blown people out. If we played a bunch of 300+ teams and killed them, our NET would be higher.

But I do think our schedule will end up working in our favor

 

[supp]

Cuse - 117


Really too early to worry about this, but IU is 56 and FSU is 77

Nova is 5. That game is a huge huge opportunity. Glad to see Colgate is only a Quad 3 loss at the moment.

 

[TexanMark]

Colgate is really hurting it...

Nova win would be my prescription to cure it.

 

[jdubs30]

Colgate is really hurting it...

Nova win would be my prescription to cure it.

We are 117, but we have 2 wins already that are better than more than half the teams above us.

 

[Cusefan0307]

What a garbage metric. Wagner and Wyoming in the top 25 based on what?

Chattanooga 29?

San Francisco 32?

UCLA 33?

Kentucky 39?

What are we doing???

 

[TexanMark]

What a garbage metric. Wagner and Wyoming in the top 25 based on what?

Chattanooga 29?

San Francisco 32?

UCLA 33?

Kentucky 39?

What are we doing???

like Sagarin, takes awhile to become more relevant. If they are 117 in early February start worrying.

 

[jdubs30]

What a garbage metric. Wagner and Wyoming in the top 25 based on what?

Chattanooga 29?

San Francisco 32?

UCLA 33?

Kentucky 39?

What are we doing???

Wyoming is 8-0 and they have 3 40pt wins, but their best win is Washington.

Going by KenPom, they have no top 125 wins.

Blowouts are huge

 

[Cusefan0307]

like Sagarin, takes awhile to become more relevant. If they are 117 in early February start worrying.

Yeah I think we were 80 or 90 when we lost to Georgia Tech in February last year.

 

[UpstateSM]

It’ll all figure itself out once conference play gets going. As down as the ACC is we can still comfortably make the tourney if we finish top 4. Lots of winnable road games that will end up Q1/Q2 games.

 

[pearl31]

What a garbage metric

yes

that said, Colgate was an utter abomination albatross we'll have to wear all year and NET is the reality we gotta live in

 

[ElwoodJBlues]

San Francisco is a really good team, fwiw.

 

[UpstateSM]

yes

that said, Colgate was an utter abomination albatross we'll have to wear all year and NET is the reality we gotta live in

If Colgate goes like 18-2 in the Patriot and a bunch of those wins are blowouts there’s an outsiiiiiide chance they climb to Q2. Unlikely but possible.

Even if they don’t, we can win enough games where that loss is the difference between a 5 seed and a 6 or 7 instead of the being in or missing the tournament altogether.

That Florida St win was huge.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

57 in KenPom which seems about right at this time. Firmly on the bubble.

 

[upperdeck]

look no further than the gambling models guys who are really struggling this year. the game play is all over and the programs written to figure it out have no clue so I would expect the programs written to figure out the PWR of bball is also broken. Sports in general have been all over the last couple of yrs of covid.

 

[Orangezoo]

57 in KenPom which seems about right at this time. Firmly on the bubble.

Ken Pom runs circles around Net as a quality metric. NCAA in it's typical ineptness tries to create it's own thing vs outsourcing to tenured, much more refined solutions.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Other than the Colgate loss, our main issue is we haven’t blown people out.

That tricky pythag W/L. SU has generally been blown out in losses and eeked out one-possession wins. So, far Syracuse has a 58% expected W%, over 8 games so far, they should be ... just about 5-3, which they are. Extrapolated over a 31 games season, it's 18 wins.

Syracuse would do well to get a couple of 5-10 point wins under their belt against good competition.

 

[Cusefan0307]

San Francisco is a really good team, fwiw.

They are solid As is the rest of the WCC, but…..play better teams IMO.

 

[Orangezoo]

That tricky pythag W/L. SU has generally been blown out in losses and eeked out one-possession wins. So, far Syracuse has a 58% expected W%, over 8 games so far, they should be ... just about 5-3, which they are. Extrapolated over a 31 games season, it's 18 wins.

Syracuse would do well to get a couple of 5-10 point wins under their belt against good competition.

Yeah it's the same things that saw Colgate with a crazy high ranking last year right now. Margin of victory has way too much weight for a metric capped at 10. High W/L pct and High margin of victory has most teams ranked where they are right now. The other factors play in but not nearly as comprehensive as the more efficiency driven rankings systems out there.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[Fly Rodder]

Bleech. The whole ACC has work to do. As of 3 December, Lunardi has only 5 ACC teams in his bracket with two on the bubble.

 

[CorduroyG]

Yeah I think we were 80 or 90 when we lost to Georgia Tech in February last year.

we lost to ga tech in feb?? BOEHEIM NEEDS TO RETIRE! THE ZONE SUCKS! THIS TEAM AINT SNIFFING THE TOURNAMENT!

 

[jncuse]

Ken Pom runs circles around Net as a quality metric. NCAA in it's typical ineptness tries to create it's own thing vs outsourcing to tenured, much more refined solutions.

KP still has some built in predictions / preseason assessments in their rankings as of now ... they don't ween off immediately although they have to be close to dropping off. Done to avoid the craziness that can happen from small samples.

NET is somewhat proprietary as far as I can tell even if they say they consider efficiency more than they used to, so there are probably elements in their that do stupid things like the RPI and degrade efficiency.

That being said not stunned by FSU at 77. I think they can be better, but they have literally accomplish very little this year with some bad results (in close wins and losses)