Five CNY high schools will no longer schedule CBA

[Offthedome]

Do they still refer to the women's teams as the Lady Brothers?

Nope

 

[OrangePA]

I’m not arguing it’s fair that private schools recruit players, I’m saying not allowing players to better themselves is restraint of trade. It simple I have no clue I was just asking questions. Sorry my point of view differs from yours. I guess CBA should only play other private schools. Who might they be?

Restraint of trade? In high school??

 

[sufandu]

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Did you read the article? "Play better" can only go so far if one team is cherry-picking the best players from the region since they are private, but traditional public schools are "stuck" with the people living in their districts - minus the best players who were cherry-picked by the private school.

Sorry didn’t want to start a fight. Said I was a newbie. What about when BVille was killing everyone in football for years. How about west hill hoops. CBA is a small private school. Who would you have them play? Anyone can go to CBA. If you live in Liverpool or BVille CND you go to those schools or a private school.
Sorry if I offended anyone. Just seemed odd. I get the recruiting deal but those recruits get a better opportunity to continue their career at the next level

Maybe those kids should not be afforded that opportunity. I get it.
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You're missing the point.

You say, "How about..." Were those schools recruiting kids outside of their district?

You say, "Anyone can go to CBA." Exactly. Not anyone can go to the public districts. You have to live witin them. CBA can pull the best from the nearby public districts they have been competing with.

You say, "Maybe those kids should not be afforded that opportunity." Nobody is saying that. They're saying, go play similar prorgrams. It sounds like that is exactly what CBA will be doing. For kids that want to continue their career at the next level, the higher level of competition will be better for them.

You didn't offend anyone. You just displayed your ignorance.

 

[NJCuse97]

Outsider input (I grew up in NJ) but this is exactly what happened with the Catholic high schools in NJ. That is why they all created a super-conference and stopped playing most of the public schools. The issue is in Syracuse seems to be that CBA is more isolated than say, Don Bosco is from Bergen Catholic, St. Joe's, Paramus Catholic, etc. are. There is a prep school league in the Princeton area, and another strong catholic league near the shore. Not at the first level, but there are tiers now. It's a microcosm of what's happening in NCAA with the P2 separating from the "other two"

 

[xc84]

They have an advantage in being able to recruit but a disadvantage in having tuition. And the recruiting attraction is academics. Parents want their kid to have the best education.

 

[orangenauburn]

They have an advantage in being able to recruit but a disadvantage in having tuition. And the recruiting attraction is academics. Parents want their kid to have the best education.

Related to an extent but not. When I moved out to the Utica area, strong academics and strong athletics is why I chose to move to New Hartford for my kids.

Sure I could have found more bang for my buck in some other local districts - it was the academic and athletic program strengths that made New Hartford a no brainer for me.

 

[SU68]

They have an advantage in being able to recruit but a disadvantage in having tuition. And the recruiting attraction is academics. Parents want their kid to have the best education.

Where I live, parochial schools often have scholarships for families who can't afford the tuition.

 

[sufandu]

They have an advantage in being able to recruit but a disadvantage in having tuition. And the recruiting attraction is academics. Parents want their kid to have the best education.

Don't they have the advantage of offering scholarships, negating their disadvantage?

 

[xc84]

Where I live, parochial schools often have scholarships for families who can't afford the tuition.

Some kids, yes. Not necessarily full scholarships

 

[xc84]

Don't they have the advantage of offering scholarships, negating their disadvantage?

Public schools have no tuition so CBA offering some tuition discounts is not an “advantage “. Overall, tuition is a disadvantage. The education and network CBA has is an advantage.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Public schools have no tuition so CBA offering some tuition discounts is not an “advantage “. Overall, tuition is a disadvantage. The education and network CBA has is an advantage.

I think education advantage is relative, compared with the city of Syracuse yes, compared to some of the other districts it’s minimal or even. It’s an excellent school no doubt.

 

[CA Monk]

Do they still refer to the women's teams as the Lady Brothers?

I think they call them "lady boys" but maybe I'm getting my websites mixed up.

 

[sufandu]

Public schools have no tuition so CBA offering some tuition discounts is not an “advantage “. Overall, tuition is a disadvantage. The education and network CBA has is an advantage.

I suppose, then, all those public schools are overreacting.

 

[xc84]

I suppose, then, all those public schools are overreacting.

How about let all public schools recruit from other districts and charge tuition for those recruits.

I know of one athlete who’s parents rented an apartment (didn’t live there) so their daughter could go to a school outside their district. Their first attempt was to try to pay tuition but the school district refused. I know of one other who lived in a district they didn’t like but had a vacation home they used as an address to get into the district of the vacation home.

 

[xc84]

My friend has two daughters in a small private school. The school is classified as Class D. They are way under the Class C limit from an enrollment standpoint. Both girls play basketball and I can say none of the girls on the team were recruited and certainly not for sports. Most have been in the school since a young age. They actually won their Section this year. First time ever. Because they were in the section finals the last 2 years, the section will force them to play Class C next year due to a rule that they apply only to private schools. In Class C, they won’t be competitive. After next year’s graduation class leaves, they will have very little talent remaining no matter the Class assigned.

 

[Offthedome]

My friend has two daughters in a small private school. The school is classified as Class D. They are way under the Class C limit from an enrollment standpoint. Both girls play basketball and I can say none of the girls on the team were recruited and certainly not for sports. Most have been in the school since a young age. They actually won their Section this year. First time ever. Because they were in the section finals the last 2 years, the section will force them to play Class C next year due to a rule that they apply only to private schools. In Class C, they won’t be competitive. After next year’s graduation class leaves, they will have very little talent remaining no matter the Class assigned.

Yes. Everyone focuses on football at CBA, but the other sports experience this. They have a strong senior class for softball, for example, win the section, then get bumped up to the next class without having any say in the matter, and get hammered the next year.

 

[phreddie]

I think they call them "lady boys" but maybe I'm getting my websites mixed up.

You must get some interesting ads on this site.

 

[im4cuse]

You say you knew a woman in NoVa, eh?

Perhaps there may be a critical detail that may be of interest to the board, in general.

Easy there. She’s a volunteer at our church.

 

[im4cuse]

Excellent letter to editor today on Syracuse dot com. I have a similar story. No dog in the fight as I’m a public school kid. But my kids went to private schools in DC. Gonzaga and Georgetown Visitation. My son now teaches and is varsity hockey coach at a very small Catholic school on the a Maryland eastern shore. Like less than 100 boys. He won championships as both a player and coach at Gonzaga. At a tiny school he could take the easy way out and play public schools in Maryland. Instead he put his team in the prep school leagues against DeMatha, Gonzaga, St John’s college,!Calver hall, Boys Latin and Paul VI etc. This year with a sophomore dominated lineup they finished 19-3-2. Playing against better teams makes you better and it’s more meaningful for the kids I can see it first hand. My 2 cents.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Excellent letter to editor today on Syracuse dot com. I have a similar story. No dog in the fight as I’m a public school kid. But my kids went to private schools in DC. Gonzaga and Georgetown Visitation. My son now teaches and is varsity hockey coach at a very small Catholic school on the a Maryland eastern shore. Like less than 100 boys. He won championships as both a player and coach at Gonzaga. At a tiny school he could take the easy way out and play public schools in Maryland. Instead he put his team in the prep school leagues against DeMatha, Gonzaga, St John’s college,!Calver hall, Boys Latin and Paul VI etc. This year with a sophomore dominated lineup they finished 19-3-2. Playing against better teams makes you better and it’s more meaningful for the kids I can see it first hand. My 2 cents.

I admit I skimmed the article quickly, but that letter ignores the recruiting piece entirely. Can’t have a real discussion about the situation without acknowledging that fact IMO. Is CBA recruiting? I don't know. If they are, that can’t be ignored even if they had a few down years like the letter mentioned. They haven’t lost a game in 3 years and only 1 game in the last 4 years. Seems like a red flag to me that they might have a competitive advantage.

School size is largely irrelevant if you can recruit. Doesn’t guarantee success every year, but it’s a huge advantage.

You mentioning DC brought me down memory lane. Years ago, 4 time State Champion Jamesville Dewitt with Coleman/Cavanaugh came down to DeMatha and I watched the Stags absolutely wipe the floor with them. Wasn’t a close game out of the gate. DeMatha is a much smaller school than JD. That exemplified to me the difference between private and public. For as good as JD was, they aren’t touching a private school like DeMatha on their best day that makes a concerted effort to recruit kids.

I’ll be interested to find out more about this as I have family that works in the Liverpool school district I’ll be visiting this Easter weekend.

 

[im4cuse]

I admit I skimmed the article quickly, but that letter ignores the recruiting piece entirely. Can’t have a real discussion about the situation without acknowledging that fact IMO. Is CBA recruiting? I don't know. If they are, that can’t be ignored even if they had a few down years like the letter mentioned. They haven’t lost a game in 3 years and only 1 game in the last 4 years. Seems like a red flag to me that they might have a competitive advantage.

School size is largely irrelevant if you can recruit. Doesn’t guarantee success every year, but it’s a huge advantage.

You mentioning DC brought me down memory lane. Years ago, 4 time State Champion Jamesville Dewitt with Coleman/Cavanaugh came down to DeMatha and I watched the Stags absolutely wipe the floor with them. Wasn’t a close game out of the gate. DeMatha is a much smaller school than JD. That exemplified to me the difference between private and public. For as good as JD was, they aren’t touching a private school like DeMatha on their best day that makes a concerted effort to recruit kids.

I’ll be interested to find out more about this as I have family that works in the Liverpool school district I’ll be visiting this Easter weekend.

Not every school can recruit even if they want to. How big is the area? What’s the demographics? Can they afford it when parents pass thee free schools on the way? My son’s recruiting hits a wall when he can’t get a good player because of the entrance test or the $$$. In hoops most schools in the WCAC would boat race every school in Sec 3. But I bet it made JD a better team later that year.

 

[tep624]

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I’m not arguing it’s fair that private schools recruit players, I’m saying not allowing players to better themselves is restraint of trade. It simple I have no clue I was just asking questions. Sorry my point of view differs from yours. I guess CBA should only play other private schools. Who might they be?

It doesn’t matter. They can play Mars high school for all I care.

They recruit players, public high schools can’t do that. Not only do they put publics at a disadvantage because they can recruit players, they also recruit players away from these same public schools they play.

Now there’s always been the kids that live with Grandma to get into a certain district and I get the system isn’t perfect, but this is apples and bananas, and it’s unfair. Plain and simple.

 

[im4cuse]

In my experience around good high school athletes for the last 20 years kids want to be challenged. It’s the only way to get better. That’s they like playing in season tournaments out of town against better teams. Makes them better in their league. I don’t think it can be reasonably disputed even if they get the occasional beatdown.