For those are already to move on from Red

[Red2003]

This thread is like a rollercoaster right now.

I wonder how many ACC fanbases are feeling like ahh everything is great our Non-Con is going exactly as planned. Goes without saying that they’re prob not happy with their NIL or portal pickups and recruits or what their coaches are doing either.

 

[phil77]

Oh also, if the coaches need money they gotta get comfortable asking for money. It’s 2024 and their jobs depend on securing resources. They gotta get very vocal about it.

This is the Fran Brown approach he was very vocal about money and that the program needs it bad. Fran didn't just say it in private he said it in public. Red needs to take the same approach as soon as possible.

 

[IthacaMatt]

It’s my understanding, and I may be incorrect, but the athletic department has to rent the use of the Dome. Not all of the season ticket money goes to the athletic department, only the donations. This may have changed, but that has been the arrangement.

Hey, SU is paying SU. It's an accounting trick.
If that's their excuse for not investing the program again, like they did in the 1970s, well, I'm not buying.
That is a self-inflicted wound.
If you want people to keep giving money, and paying money to come to games, you have to care, and you have to compete.
If you don't intend to compete, then don't ask us to pay attention. Don't ask us to keep caring.

 

[hoopsupstate]

This is not just a one year battle, it’s every year. The current format is unsustainable.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Only 5.5 hrs to pitt, 6 to BC and 6 to Md. Bigger issue is potential for weather related problems.

“It's 247 miles to Brooklyn, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.”

 

[IthacaMatt]

For years I’ve said that SU is the equivalent of a small market team in pro sports.

Now that college sports *are* pro sports we literally are a small market team.

It’s not that small market teams can’t compete. We see them do it every year. It’s that they don’t have the resources to mitigate mistakes that the large market teams do.

So we need very smart coaches and player acquisition folks to make sure we’re operating with high efficiency.

Well, it sounds like we have invested in a talent analysis / acquisition guy, and an analytics person or two for each major sport. It's hard to believe we didn't even have a sports nutrition program until this past year.

Are we big time? Some people are trying to improve things, but there is so much anti-sports inertia within the university community.

 

[MSOrange]

This is so boring. I mean, YES, we do not make the TV money that they do in the SEC and Big 10. Neither do hundreds of other schools.

We will NEVER make as much money as them. NEVER. So, if that's your standard, then forget it.

We have the biggest basketball arena in the country. We own the football stadium, it's on campus, and we don't have to pay rent to the stadium where we play, like say Pitt has to do, playing in a pro stadium. Or UConn, St. John's and so many other schools, when they play their big games in the local pro sports arena.

Pitt, in case you've forgotten, is also an ACC team.
No other ACC teams, and nearly no other college teams in any league, sell beer at their games. We do. How much more money do we make from that?

Aside from Notre Dame, we sell more merchandise than any other private school, about neck-and-neck with Duke for 2nd. Brigham Young, I think, is next.

There are 22,000 students at SU - 16K undergrad, and 6K grad students. The average cost of attendance, including room & board is $85K per year. That equals $1.87 BILLION per year.

If Syracuse chooses not to invest more in its sports programs than it does, it's their choice. But there is sure as hell plenty of money to do it. For a school that's not a State University, Syracuse has deep pockets, lots and lots of wealthy alumni and a national brand.

Spare us the crocodile tears.

I'm mainly an observer in this thread, but I know for sure that the alcohol information isn't even close to correct anymore. Probably a minor detail in the big picture, but wanted to get that out there so other people aren't misled.

Most Power 5 schools sell alcohol inside stadiums

A survey by The Associated Press of Power 5 conference schools and Notre Dame shows that 80% -- 55 of 69 schools -- now sell alcohol in public areas of their stadiums on game days.

www.espn.com

 

[CuseCPT]

This is the Fran Brown approach he was very vocal about money and that the program needs it bad. Fran didn't just say it in private he said it in public. Red needs to take the same approach as soon as possible.

It's maddening that our football coach has to go around like a politician begging for donations when the school is sitting on a $1.85 Billion endowment. I recognize you can't use that for NIL but it sure seems like it could be tapped into to upgrade facilities.

But what I'm hearing is that we are in a decline largely of our own choosing and the question is will there be anything left to save when Syverud retires/leaves? Question 2 - When that happens, will the board of trustees replace him with someone else that is ambivalent to sports?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

So... is it fair to say that the athletic department helps to fund the University?

Because if the AD is strapped because of accounting tricks it seems really weird. I mean, good for the school, but what's the ROI for the university on that?

 

[Cusefan0307]

So... is it fair to say that the athletic department helps to fund the University?

Because if the AD is strapped because of accounting tricks it seems really weird. I mean, good for the school, but what's the ROI for the university on that?

Was the case during Buzz’s tenure, but I thought that time had passed.

 

[dasher]

It's maddening that our football coach has to go around like a politician begging for donations when the school is sitting on a $1.85 Billion endowment. I recognize you can't use that for NIL but it sure seems like it could be tapped into to upgrade facilities.

But what I'm hearing is that we are in a decline largely of our own choosing and the question is will there be anything left to save when Syverud retires/leaves? Question 2 - When that happens, will the board of trustees replace him with someone else that is ambivalent to sports?

You really don't use endowment money to upgrade your athletic facilities. As for your second point, they can't get the Chancellor out of here fast enough for me. I would love to hear what his accomplishments have been? U.S. News and report. Has he stopped the slide? No. Does he even care about our athletics which, let's face it is an important part of who a school is and the experience of going to that school? Can't say that he has been good at that. What has he done?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Was the case during Buzz’s tenure, but I thought that time had passed.

Same.

I mean, that's better than what Rutgers has going on, but usually more privilege comes with being a rain maker.

 

[IthacaMatt]

So... is it fair to say that the athletic department helps to fund the University?

Because if the AD is strapped because of accounting tricks it seems really weird. I mean, good for the school, but what's the ROI for the university on that?

I recall Joyce telling us that they had a record number of applications in the Fall of 2003 after we won the championship. They raised tuition by 6% for undergrads and 8.2% for grads that year. They usually raise it by around 4% per year, so they cashed in while they were hot.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You really don't use endowment money to upgrade your athletic facilities. As for your second point, they can't get the Chancellor out of here fast enough for me. I would love to hear what his accomplishments have been? U.S. News and report. Has he stopped the slide? No. Does he even care about our athletics which, let's face it is an important part of who a school is and the experience of going to that school? Can't say that he has been good at that. What has he done?

Sounds like he's just been a nerd.

 

[im4cuse]

You really don't use endowment money to upgrade your athletic facilities. As for your second point, they can't get the Chancellor out of here fast enough for me. I would love to hear what his accomplishments have been? U.S. News and report. Has he stopped the slide? No. Does he even care about our athletics which, let's face it is an important part of who a school is and the experience of going to that school? Can't say that he has been good at that. What has he done?

Well he’s a Georgetown guy.

 

[Red2003]

You really don't use endowment money to upgrade your athletic facilities. As for your second point, they can't get the Chancellor out of here fast enough for me. I would love to hear what his accomplishments have been? U.S. News and report. Has he stopped the slide? No. Does he even care about our athletics which, let's face it is an important part of who a school is and the experience of going to that school? Can't say that he has been good at that. What has he done?

This doesn’t get talked about enough. 10% increases in cost per year, 10% drop in prestige and level of education. Every time I see what they’re charging for a year of school and what the student gets all I can think is oh well. My kid will be a Cuse fan but they won’t be living on campus or taking classes there. Exaggerating some but it’s not like it used to be. Not even considering interest rates.

 

[CuseCPT]

You really don't use endowment money to upgrade your athletic facilities. As for your second point, they can't get the Chancellor out of here fast enough for me. I would love to hear what his accomplishments have been? U.S. News and report. Has he stopped the slide? No. Does he even care about our athletics which, let's face it is an important part of who a school is and the experience of going to that school? Can't say that he has been good at that. What has he done?

I was under the impression they could be used for construction and infrastructure upgrades but freely admit I don't know anything about them. Syverud has done some good things for veterans, but I can't really think of anything else I would put in the W column for him.

 

[richmondcuse03]

This is the Fran Brown approach he was very vocal about money and that the program needs it bad. Fran didn't just say it in private he said it in public. Red needs to take the same approach as soon as possible.

Yup. Fran is good at fundraising. I’ve seen it in action. It’s a huge part of being a coach. Red can’t be shy about asking / demanding for what he needs.

 

[richmondcuse03]

You really don't use endowment money to upgrade your athletic facilities. As for your second point, they can't get the Chancellor out of here fast enough for me. I would love to hear what his accomplishments have been? U.S. News and report. Has he stopped the slide? No. Does he even care about our athletics which, let's face it is an important part of who a school is and the experience of going to that school? Can't say that he has been good at that. What has he done?

He does care about the athletics from what I’ve been told because it matters for academic enrollment. It’s a big part of the student body experience. There will be some changes on that front soon that will help direct more money to the AD if I understand correctly.

 

[richmondcuse03]

One of the biggest things too is the coaches do not outwardly ask for anything monetary wise. Especially with some of their very close friends. They know they should, but our job as friends and donors is to introduce them to other friends who have resources and money to donate. Now that I live back in cuse, I a constantly connecting people with Alex, Griff and Red. And these are not alums either. They are friends of the community and want to get involved to help. The coaches have their events to raise Money and will have their usual donors, but it’s about having new ideas and events to raise money.

I’ve met with Alex a lot over last 2 months about doing 2 high power events next year. We are going to get super creative on the event so it’s not just “SU NiL golf tournament” that has been done 100x over. There’s so much that goes into it.

I try to not dive too much into the struggles and try to be vague, but maybe being more open will help more. Right now I’m working with my brother to raise money for new gym equipment. Other programs right now have mobile gyms that are traveling in tractor trailers so the kids can work out at all times on the road. This is not even close to an option for cuse right now. They have 2 working treadmills right now. 2. That’s sad. So there’s efforts to get the workout equipment and that will be a big step up. But a lot of programs don’t need to worry about that.

Alex is going to be a powerhouse for the program because he speaks up when you get to meet him. He has some great ideas to get more donors and more people involved. The staff has never had that person that speaks up for necessities. My brother and I were able to donate to something we had no idea what they needed and would never have guessed it in a million years that it was a need until Alex brought it up.

Jake is spot on about what they need and the amount. I’ll say this now- cuse already has $1m lined up for a center for next year through NIL. But so many donations are going to NIL and not the operation of the program so we need to look at operation of the program and the program needs as well. But this is the hard part with NIL these days.

I will be sure to be more vocal going forward so we can band together and help where we can help

Alex is a good asset and I think will be effective on the fundraising side.

 

[Cuse1055]

One of the biggest things too is the coaches do not outwardly ask for anything monetary wise. Especially with some of their very close friends. They know they should, but our job as friends and donors is to introduce them to other friends who have resources and money to donate. Now that I live back in cuse, I a constantly connecting people with Alex, Griff and Red. And these are not alums either. They are friends of the community and want to get involved to help. The coaches have their events to raise Money and will have their usual donors, but it’s about having new ideas and events to raise money.

I’ve met with Alex a lot over last 2 months about doing 2 high power events next year. We are going to get super creative on the event so it’s not just “SU NiL golf tournament” that has been done 100x over. There’s so much that goes into it.

I try to not dive too much into the struggles and try to be vague, but maybe being more open will help more. Right now I’m working with my brother to raise money for new gym equipment. Other programs right now have mobile gyms that are traveling in tractor trailers so the kids can work out at all times on the road. This is not even close to an option for cuse right now. They have 2 working treadmills right now. 2. That’s sad. So there’s efforts to get the workout equipment and that will be a big step up. But a lot of programs don’t need to worry about that.

Alex is going to be a powerhouse for the program because he speaks up when you get to meet him. He has some great ideas to get more donors and more people involved. The staff has never had that person that speaks up for necessities. My brother and I were able to donate to something we had no idea what they needed and would never have guessed it in a million years that it was a need until Alex brought it up.

Jake is spot on about what they need and the amount. I’ll say this now- cuse already has $1m lined up for a center for next year through NIL. But so many donations are going to NIL and not the operation of the program so we need to look at operation of the program and the program needs as well. But this is the hard part with NIL these days.

I will be sure to be more vocal going forward so we can band together and help where we can help

Thanks for the info. Any idea how much we are lining up for a PG for next year? Most important position by far IMO.

 

[jr4750]

He does care about the athletics from what I’ve been told because it matters for academic enrollment. It’s a big part of the student body experience. There will be some changes on that front soon that will help direct more money to the AD if I understand correctly.

Yes, read his last two senate reports. Focused primarily on the importance of athletics and keeping SU in the top echelon. He understands completely how important they are to the school as a tool for recruitment and alumni engagement.

 

[rrlbees]

He does care about the athletics from what I’ve been told because it matters for academic enrollment. It’s a big part of the student body experience. There will be some changes on that front soon that will help direct more money to the AD if I understand correctly.

Certainly not all, but I’ve seen him at several games too. I’ve yet to see him rooting for the other team.

 

[Bulldog04]

Terrific post. Thank you for sharing some insights behind the curtain.

But only 2 working treadmills? For roughly 100 guys on the football team?

Come on, that has to be hyperbole.

They have more than that in the dorm fitness centers.

What are they doing with their budget? Don't they have anything set aside for maintaining equipment?

I mean, this is a multi-million dollar business. That's like a law firm running out of paper.

Do they have real business people running things up there?
Sounds ridiculous, some of the stuff we are hearing.
Health clubs are better operated than this.

The treadmills is specifically about men’s bball at the melo center

 

[two3zone]

We could just purchase our own bus if we haven't done so already. With regard to gym equipment, leasing is the way to go so that you can update from time to time.

Some planet fitness memberships could work. Get the black membership and you only have to get half the memberships as you can bring a guest. Can also go to any Planet Fitness as well.