Fran Brown

[FloridaCuse]

Really weak sauce IMO. First Brown rhymes with it. Second we are multiple pages in. Third why do so many people think clown is so offensive. Fourth if this was not clown than what the hell is? Another example of this boards downfall from its peak years ago.

"Clown" just isn't necessary. The point can be made, and has been, without the insults.

 

[FloridaCuse]

agree to the edit .Original title was a tad harsh. maybe KEYSTONE KOACHES fits .

yes, not insulting with a tad of humor in it.

 

[FloridaCuse]

That thread needs to be resurrected!

Unlock it Mods!

 

[OrangePA]

Worst loss

If people want to ride with the argument that this year's problems result largely from the injury to the starting quarterback they have to be prepared for the counter that last year's success can largely be credited to a one year unicorn at quarterback.

It was.

He was great

 

[FloridaCuse]

Josh Pate is probably a top 5 podcaster in the national college football world and each week he awards a game for being the most lopsided, embarrassing, or disappointing game of the week while playing “Angel” by Sarah McLachlan in the background.

Ok, thanks for the explanation. I don't think I've ever heard of him. Maybe somewhere along the line.

But is there a question? Is there any other candidate that even comes close?

 

[FloridaCuse]

This thread is certainly sounding like the infamous Dan Mullen Thread. But we have 245 pages and 6,118 posts to go.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

"Clown" just isn't necessary. The point can be made, and has been, without the insults.

Why is clown so insulting. They make you laugh or cry. Was that not everyone’s reaction to the first 5 mins of the game? I know I was laughing. That is all you can do.

 

[PAcuse]

This thread is certainly sounding like the infamous Dan Mullen Thread. But we have 245 pages and 6,118 posts to go.

 

[AngryOtto]

Where was the recruiting class ranked in the ACC last year?

Better than anything we had in the last 10 years at least

 

[Blanko97]

Better than anything we had in the last 10 years at least

The 2018 class was rated slightly higher, assuming we’re talking 2025

 

[CuseIsGodsTeam]

Nobody was butthurt over the title, I personally just think it unnecessarily fed the negative recruiting against us as thats what our opponents and their pundits call him. Criticize away because the game didn’t do anything positive for recruiting, but its to early to bail on him now.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Why is clown so insulting. They make you laugh or cry. Was that not everyone’s reaction to the first 5 mins of the game? I know I was laughing. That is all you can do.

Yes, absolutely. I was also. I texted 2 people: "Oh My. Poor Joe Filardi." That's all we could do is laugh about how awful and historic it was. And that's all anyone could do. See my post in the post-mortem thread this afternoon on how the announcing team on today's CBS broadcast of the Jet-Ravens game dealt with it with Andrew Catalon being an SU Alum. And he was the one who brought it up.

Yes the word "clown" is fine. But I think some of us reacted that it seemed a bit too derogatory toward Coach Fran that wasn't necessary. Why kick him so hard in the balls about it when he's got to be so down about it already. I expect he expected it could (or would) get bad, but not that bad.

 

[AngryOtto]

According to 247 9th last year for high school recruits.
I also suspect some of the recruits will move on. It’s a numbers game. Those that meet expectations stick those that don’t move on. Others go for the money. Same thing first year. It’s what the big programs all do.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Congrats on the win yesterday

Hey man I’m just here to compete like Fran says! He talks the talk but when he got punched in the face he and his team gave up. Pathetic, everything he has preached for almost 2 years is B..S. It was 49-0 at half. 35-0 and ND took 2 snaps on offense, I mean you can’t make this stuff up. But he can recruit!

It has to be one of the worst halves of college football ever played in history! Congrats Fran

DART!

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Better than anything we had in the last 10 years at least

I don’t follow recruiting much. The few times I see commitments cross my X feed it seems to always be a WR or a DB.

Are we getting legit beef? That is where we have major issues and it is harder to recruit. Then again having an eye for beef talent is more important than the stars.

Are we getting RBs and LBs? Both seem to be issues right now too. We don’t have much talent or depth at either. Seems odd.

Where are the QBs? Fran’s first 17 games we had the best passing O. You would think we could get QB recruits higher than 75th at their position.

I think it is great we get major WR talent but it won’t win you games alone.

 

[Surfan06001]

Hey man I’m just here to compete like Fran says! He talks the talk but when he got punched in the face he and his team gave up. Pathetic, everything he has preached for almost 2 years is B..S. It was 49-0 at half. 35-0 and ND took 2 snaps on offense, I mean you can’t make this stuff up. But he can recruit!

It has to be one of the worst halves of college football ever played in history! Congrats Fran

DART!

Hope you remember this win a long time.

 

[GHLF]

Hopefully your son, family will not say that about you. We will all be justified by our words and how we treat others.

I also see the actual title of this thread was changed from Fran Clown to Fran Brown for anyone who wants to know exactly why I stated why what I did. Freaking coward. Go into the locker room and see what you find keyboard hero.

 

[sufan59]

The Sarah McLachlan Special.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Hope you remember this win a long time.

Only can recruit for so long before you have to win games. Are you surprised at the decommitts? Are you committed, can I trust you?

 

[orangecuse]

It’s always funny when the old guys need to announce how tough skinned they are.

Perhaps, due to the hardening that their youth brought them with the realism of being drafted, etc. Whereas today’s younger generation, fortunately, didn’t have to live with such realizations.

 

[SUFan44]

The Sarah McLachlan Special.

And this is the exact reason why you don't start a true freshman QB who was not ready in a home game vs. a mediocre UNC team at #9 Notre Dame.

It's a laughing stock moment in a running list of laughing stock moments for this program in the last two decades.

The 10-win season last year was great - don't get me wrong. And I am not 100% out on Fran Brown. But there needs to be some serious learning from this and I'm not totally convinced there will be.

 

[elimunelson]

And this is the exact reason why you don't start a true freshman QB who was not ready in a home game vs. a mediocre UNC team at #9 Notre Dame.

It's a laughing stock moment in a running list of laughing stock moments for this program in the last two decades.

The 10-win season last year was great - don't get me wrong. And I am not 100% out on Fran Brown. But there needs to be some serious learning from this and I'm not totally convinced there will be.

Agreed
On all.

Immaturity is something that can be fixed. Fran is as immature a coach we’ve had since Shafer. Clownish behavior will get you
Unless you look in the mirror

We like to clown Schiano historically. Need to be objective here. Key is some adults in the room asap.

I think wildhack will know this too.

 

[crv1728]

The sermon certainly wasn't about losing and certainly in the fashion in which we did it was calling a person a clown, You keep your sermon and I will certainly keep mine and at the end of I guess we will assess the balances, actually our life will be weighed before a balance definitely with a couple of variables. Whether we accepted grace and how that affected our treatment of other people. Let me know

If you are going to call out someone, you need to point out the part that you object to. You did not do that. Look back at your post - you had the text from the OP, not the thread title. The text was reasonable even though the title might not have been.

 

[Archbold44]

There are major problems with this team and coach.

#1. This is the worst coached team I have seen since 2005, hands down. Not even close. Shafer had a dud or two, but there was at least a sense that the coaches were trying everything. This year... we just throw QB#5 into the game and keep running the same basic offense. The defense "flashed" bit against Pitt, but then went back into hiding.

#2. I personally find it weird that Angeli is not working with the current QBs during games. I am surprised he does not have the headset on and/or give advice, etc. A couple of true freshman QBs and he cannot lend some advice? Is there some sort of disconnect here? This is all the more true against ND. Shouldn't he have known something about Notre Dame's defensive tendencies? Shouldn't he have been able to help the defense with their offensive scheme? This is a kid that maybe we sniff an NFL training camp... but is more likely to be a coach someday.

#3. I have talked enough about the use of Carney. Mind-boggling stupidity. Carney has a decent arm... we saw it on the relative deep incompletion on the sideline. That is not a pass that Filardi even attempted. Instead, Filardi passed across the middle... three Pick-6's, one of which was called back. I don't care if Carney gets 3 and out every series... how is that NOT better than the interception/Pick-6 machine that Collins/Filardi are???

#4. As bad as Collins was/is... he is WAY better than Filardi. With Collins, a team has to at least respect the long pass potential. Once that goes away... the team can stack the box, take away the run, and just feast on the intermediate passes. It is coaching malpractice to play a QB with no deep ball threat. The goal was to see Carney as the future QB... not to take Collins out to lose games on purpose. And that is exactly what playing/starting Filardi is. Losing games on purpose. And this game was over after the punt return TD. It was essentially over at the first pick six--less than 1 minute into the game. But it was actually over with the punt return TD because there was zero chance we were scoring 15+ points against a first-team defense with Collins. Certainly not without.

#5. No trick plays. Villari under center is not all that tricky. Miami's true freshmen WR is 2 for 3. We don't have a single WR that can throw a pass? Belin cannot line up at WR and try a pass? Why is he on the roster as a QB then? The season is lost. The games are lost. Down 35-0... is that not a good time to try to get some life into the team/game? What is the worst that can happen?

#6. The ND play is historically bad. I think it takes a lot for one game to put a coach on the hot seat... but there it is. Navy, an American team, played without its star QB and was tied 7-7 in the 2nd quarter, before losing 49-10. I think we were all braced for that type of outcome. Instead, it was as bad a game as any of us Archbold going fans can remember... and substantially embarrassing for all involved. Can you imagine being a defensive player on our team and entering the game down 21-0??? You just saw your offense and special teams give up 3 TDs... and you KNOW that your head coach and offensive coaches are not even going to try to win. When Filardi came out, Collins should have gone in. Try 2 or 3 deep passes to loosen up the defense. Instead, we put in Carney to hand the ball off a few times and punt again... because--although the coaches hate him--he does not turn the ball over. I have never seen a game that was so bad that the refs were not going to call anything against us out of pity. That is embarrassing.

#7. Everyone says fire the coordinators. But do they choose the players or does Fran? Why does ERob get 2 years to learn his job, but Fran gets 3 years? If we were spending more on feeding the offense in the portal... OL/Angeli/Cook... is it any surprise that the offense was a stronger unit? So we just have to fire people to keep the fans happy... but not the guy who is orchestrating the whole mess? Seems inconsistent to me.

 

[FloridaCuse]

There are major problems with this team and coach.

#1. This is the worst coached team I have seen since 2005, hands down. Not even close. Shafer had a dud or two, but there was at least a sense that the coaches were trying everything. This year... we just throw QB#5 into the game and keep running the same basic offense. The defense "flashed" bit against Pitt, but then went back into hiding.

#2. I personally find it weird that Angeli is not working with the current QBs during games. I am surprised he does not have the headset on and/or give advice, etc. A couple of true freshman QBs and he cannot lend some advice? Is there some sort of disconnect here? This is all the more true against ND. Shouldn't he have known something about Notre Dame's defensive tendencies? Shouldn't he have been able to help the defense with their offensive scheme? This is a kid that maybe we sniff an NFL training camp... but is more likely to be a coach someday.

#3. I have talked enough about the use of Carney. Mind-boggling stupidity. Carney has a decent arm... we saw it on the relative deep incompletion on the sideline. That is not a pass that Filardi even attempted. Instead, Filardi passed across the middle... three Pick-6's, one of which was called back. I don't care if Carney gets 3 and out every series... how is that NOT better than the interception/Pick-6 machine that Collins/Filardi are???

#4. As bad as Collins was/is... he is WAY better than Filardi. With Collins, a team has to at least respect the long pass potential. Once that goes away... the team can stack the box, take away the run, and just feast on the intermediate passes. It is coaching malpractice to play a QB with no deep ball threat. The goal was to see Carney as the future QB... not to take Collins out to lose games on purpose. And that is exactly what playing/starting Filardi is. Losing games on purpose. And this game was over after the punt return TD. It was essentially over at the first pick six--less than 1 minute into the game. But it was actually over with the punt return TD because there was zero chance we were scoring 15+ points against a first-team defense with Collins. Certainly not without.

#5. No trick plays. Villari under center is not all that tricky. Miami's true freshmen WR is 2 for 3. We don't have a single WR that can throw a pass? Belin cannot line up at WR and try a pass? Why is he on the roster as a QB then? The season is lost. The games are lost. Down 35-0... is that not a good time to try to get some life into the team/game? What is the worst that can happen?

#6. The ND play is historically bad. I think it takes a lot for one game to put a coach on the hot seat... but there it is. Navy, an American team, played without its star QB and was tied 7-7 in the 2nd quarter, before losing 49-10. I think we were all braced for that type of outcome. Instead, it was as bad a game as any of us Archbold going fans can remember... and substantially embarrassing for all involved. Can you imagine being a defensive player on our team and entering the game down 21-0??? You just saw your offense and special teams give up 3 TDs... and you KNOW that your head coach and offensive coaches are not even going to try to win. When Filardi came out, Collins should have gone in. Try 2 or 3 deep passes to loosen up the defense. Instead, we put in Carney to hand the ball off a few times and punt again... because--although the coaches hate him--he does not turn the ball over. I have never seen a game that was so bad that the refs were not going to call anything against us out of pity. That is embarrassing.

#7. Everyone says fire the coordinators. But do they choose the players or does Fran? Why does ERob get 2 years to learn his job, but Fran gets 3 years? If we were spending more on feeding the offense in the portal... OL/Angeli/Cook... is it any surprise that the offense was a stronger unit? So we just have to fire people to keep the fans happy... but not the guy who is orchestrating the whole mess? Seems inconsistent to me.

You've hit on something. I think there may be major problems within the QB room. I agree, when Filardi come out why didn't RC go in. Why burn another game of Carney's? Unless there is bad blood between the coaches and RC and they refuse to play him no matter what. Like who is going to be Filardi's backup in the B.C. game? It may be worse. I totally agree with your point #2 - why isn't Angeli working with the QBs. I thought that was the plan when he got injured. I posted a comment on the Game Thread that during a timeout the camera was on Angeli who had walked over to the huddle but then RC came near where he was and Angeli then walked away, almost looking at him with disinterest. I wondered if something is going on between those two. Maybe the whole QB room, including coaches, is totally "out of sorts," to say it nicely.