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Fran Brown

Didnt we win 10 games last season?

Our fan base sucks. I hate it
Last year was incredible. Easily one of the most entertaining SU football seasons of my lifetime.

We have lost our last seven games by a combined score of 275-77, and a lot of the points in the 77 were just garbage points after the game was no longer in doubt. With the exception of the Pitt and UNC games where there was a shred of life in the 2nd half, every other game was completely unwatchable after halftime.

The fact that people are angry is healthy. It means they still care. What's way worse is apathy when people simply stop caring and decide it's not worth the financial and emotional investment.

You can love 2024, be livid at 2025, and be optimistic about 2026 all at the same time. None are mutually exclusive.
 
There are major problems with this team and coach.

#1. This is the worst coached team I have seen since 2005, hands down. Not even close. Shafer had a dud or two, but there was at least a sense that the coaches were trying everything. This year... we just throw QB#5 into the game and keep running the same basic offense. The defense "flashed" bit against Pitt, but then went back into hiding.

#2. I personally find it weird that Angeli is not working with the current QBs during games. I am surprised he does not have the headset on and/or give advice, etc. A couple of true freshman QBs and he cannot lend some advice? Is there some sort of disconnect here? This is all the more true against ND. Shouldn't he have known something about Notre Dame's defensive tendencies? Shouldn't he have been able to help the defense with their offensive scheme? This is a kid that maybe we sniff an NFL training camp... but is more likely to be a coach someday.

#3. I have talked enough about the use of Carney. Mind-boggling stupidity. Carney has a decent arm... we saw it on the relative deep incompletion on the sideline. That is not a pass that Filardi even attempted. Instead, Filardi passed across the middle... three Pick-6's, one of which was called back. I don't care if Carney gets 3 and out every series... how is that NOT better than the interception/Pick-6 machine that Collins/Filardi are???

#4. As bad as Collins was/is... he is WAY better than Filardi. With Collins, a team has to at least respect the long pass potential. Once that goes away... the team can stack the box, take away the run, and just feast on the intermediate passes. It is coaching malpractice to play a QB with no deep ball threat. The goal was to see Carney as the future QB... not to take Collins out to lose games on purpose. And that is exactly what playing/starting Filardi is. Losing games on purpose. And this game was over after the punt return TD. It was essentially over at the first pick six--less than 1 minute into the game. But it was actually over with the punt return TD because there was zero chance we were scoring 15+ points against a first-team defense with Collins. Certainly not without.

#5. No trick plays. Villari under center is not all that tricky. Miami's true freshmen WR is 2 for 3. We don't have a single WR that can throw a pass? Belin cannot line up at WR and try a pass? Why is he on the roster as a QB then? The season is lost. The games are lost. Down 35-0... is that not a good time to try to get some life into the team/game? What is the worst that can happen?

#6. The ND play is historically bad. I think it takes a lot for one game to put a coach on the hot seat... but there it is. Navy, an American team, played without its star QB and was tied 7-7 in the 2nd quarter, before losing 49-10. I think we were all braced for that type of outcome. Instead, it was as bad a game as any of us Archbold going fans can remember... and substantially embarrassing for all involved. Can you imagine being a defensive player on our team and entering the game down 21-0??? You just saw your offense and special teams give up 3 TDs... and you KNOW that your head coach and offensive coaches are not even going to try to win. When Filardi came out, Collins should have gone in. Try 2 or 3 deep passes to loosen up the defense. Instead, we put in Carney to hand the ball off a few times and punt again... because--although the coaches hate him--he does not turn the ball over. I have never seen a game that was so bad that the refs were not going to call anything against us out of pity. That is embarrassing.

#7. Everyone says fire the coordinators. But do they choose the players or does Fran? Why does ERob get 2 years to learn his job, but Fran gets 3 years? If we were spending more on feeding the offense in the portal... OL/Angeli/Cook... is it any surprise that the offense was a stronger unit? So we just have to fire people to keep the fans happy... but not the guy who is orchestrating the whole mess? Seems inconsistent to me.

On #7
Fran is the CEO of the team. His coordinators are relied on to lead their respective unit to success. Fran can’t be HC and be both coordinators at the same time. He has to trust that these guys will have our players in the right position to win games and be great.
Nixon has proven to be a worthy OC last season. Now he has completely fallen on his face this time around but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt with the QB situation.
ERob has not proven anything in my opinion other than complete ineptness at his job. We gave up 25 a game under Rocky Long and Dino Babers. ERob’s first season our defense gave up 29 a game and this season we are giving up 35 a game. A complete failure. He has to go.
 
Last year was incredible. Easily one of the most entertaining SU football seasons of my lifetime.

We have lost our last seven games by a combined score of 275-77, and a lot of the points in the 77 were just garbage points after the game was no longer in doubt. With the exception of the Pitt and UNC games where there was a shred of life in the 2nd half, every other game was completely unwatchable after halftime.

The fact that people are angry is healthy. It means they still care. What's way worse is apathy when people simply stop caring and decide it's not worth the financial and emotional investment.

You can love 2024, be livid at 2025, and be optimistic about 2026 all at the same time. None are mutually exclusive.

And it's not unique to the Syracuse fanbase. Pretty much everyone is like this.

Next year, like every year, hope will spring eternal. And maybe we'll get our 3rd season out of 15 where the QB stays healthy from start to finish.
 
Last year was incredible. Easily one of the most entertaining SU football seasons of my lifetime.

We have lost our last seven games by a combined score of 275-77, and a lot of the points in the 77 were just garbage points after the game was no longer in doubt. With the exception of the Pitt and UNC games where there was a shred of life in the 2nd half, every other game was completely unwatchable after halftime.

The fact that people are angry is healthy. It means they still care. What's way worse is apathy when people simply stop caring and decide it's not worth the financial and emotional investment.

You can love 2024, be livid at 2025, and be optimistic about 2026 all at the same time. None are mutually exclusive.
i get the care part but many of our fan base (and other fan bases) are quick to want everyone fired because of one bad season or stretch. The way of the world today is fire X person when it goes bad. Maybe Im just old school and let things play out. If people had it their way and want Fran out we will just set ourselves back another 3-4 years and kick the can down the road. I dont see how we can get a better situation for our program than what we have in terms of recruiting. Wins and better coaching decisions will come with more game experience.
 
Last year was incredible. Easily one of the most entertaining SU football seasons of my lifetime.

We have lost our last seven games by a combined score of 275-77, and a lot of the points in the 77 were just garbage points after the game was no longer in doubt. With the exception of the Pitt and UNC games where there was a shred of life in the 2nd half, every other game was completely unwatchable after halftime.

The fact that people are angry is healthy. It means they still care. What's way worse is apathy when people simply stop caring and decide it's not worth the financial and emotional investment.

You can love 2024, be livid at 2025, and be optimistic about 2026 all at the same time. None are mutually exclusive.

Fran has produced year 3 Dino in year 1, and year 5 Dino in year 2.

I think next year is a big year for Fran. Is this season an outlier? Does he bounce back with an 8-4 or better season? Does he have a so so Dino years 6-8 type season? Does he have a Dino year 4 like season, which keeps him here as HC but likely forces major changes? Does he have another season like this, which if we can afford it should have him fired?
 
On #7
Fran is the CEO of the team. His coordinators are relied on to lead their respective unit to success. Fran can’t be HC and be both coordinators at the same time. He has to trust that these guys will have our players in the right position to win games and be great.
Nixon has proven to be a worthy OC last season. Now he has completely fallen on his face this time around but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt with the QB situation.
ERob has not proven anything in my opinion other than complete ineptness at his job. We gave up 25 a game under Rocky Long and Dino Babers. ERob’s first season our defense gave up 29 a game and this season we are giving up 35 a game. A complete failure. He has to go.
If you trust Fran Brown as the HC, why do you not trust him to decide who the DC is?
 
i get the care part but many of our fan base (and other fan bases) are quick to want everyone fired because of one bad season or stretch. The way of the world today is fire X person when it goes bad. Maybe Im just old school and let things play out. If people had it their way and want Fran out we will just set ourselves back another 3-4 years and kick the can down the road. I dont see how we can get a better situation for our program than what we have in terms of recruiting. Wins and better coaching decisions will come with more game experience.
I agree that wanting Fran fired right now is insane.

But being extremely disappointed with Fran's coaching performance in Year 2 is very reasonable.
 
All BS aside Fran has way more questions to answer next year than anyone anticipated 8 weeks ago. It's gotten ugly in a hurry. The blow out losses clearly have 2026 commits reconsidering and people can spin it anyway they want but that loss to ND was a national embarrassment. I could not imagine if I was a coach on that staff right now, it was just horrific next year is huge for fran. Forget about 8-10 wins, get 6-7 and establish a baseline of competence after what we have seen the past 8 weeks. Fran is getting 4 years regardless but boy am I glad they didn't extend him. He has to make some coaching changes, new O line coach and D coordinator are essential.

Getting Angeli healthy and ready for Game 1 will be a chore so he obviously will need another QB as well
 
i get the care part but many of our fan base (and other fan bases) are quick to want everyone fired because of one bad season or stretch. The way of the world today is fire X person when it goes bad. Maybe Im just old school and let things play out. If people had it their way and want Fran out we will just set ourselves back another 3-4 years and kick the can down the road. I dont see how we can get a better situation for our program than what we have in terms of recruiting. Wins and better coaching decisions will come with more game experience.

We obviously won't be, and shouldn't be, firing him. I don't think there are more than a handful of people who actually think that.

But it will be interesting to see how he responds to this season's adversity. I'm sure he knew 2025 wasn't going to be 2024, but I'm also sure he never expected it to get this bad.

Nothing wrong with having core values, but what we've seen lately (especially Saturday) didn't look detailed, nor relentless, nor tough. We looked like a team that was hoping they didn't have to play a game. Hopefully everyone is least holding themselves accountable.
 
There’s seemingly not a single thing to dislike about Freeman. Guy is a total class act and stud coach.

And to the best of my knowledge he hasn’t killed a single kid. That’s pretty good for a ND coach!
 
as i said yesterday to marsh lets see what recruits will actually come . the defections have already begun. brown needs a mentor, less self pride, more maturity as a head coach. i really don't care what he "learned" from notre dame in terms of having a defense or offense. he should have known that w/o notre dame showing him. RATHER what growth have you had this year as a head coach and ceo????? i venture to cay not much. throwing freshman to the wolves, demoralizing players, demonstrating an inability to lead, foster confidence, growth and make decisions.
fire him??? big football factories would. he needs help. my concern is he mature enough to get it . i like to think so and hope that he does and becomes the head coach we all want.
 
All BS aside Fran has way more questions to answer next year than anyone anticipated 8 weeks ago. It's gotten ugly in a hurry. The blow out losses clearly have 2026 commits reconsidering and people can spin it anyway they want but that loss to ND was a national embarrassment. I could not imagine if I was a coach on that staff right now, it was just horrific next year is huge for fran. Forget about 8-10 wins, get 6-7 and establish a baseline of competence after what we have seen the past 8 weeks. Fran is getting 4 years regardless but boy am I glad they didn't extend him. He has to make some coaching changes, new O line coach and D coordinator are essential.

Getting Angeli healthy and ready for Game 1 will be a chore so he obviously will need another QB as well
totally agree. He has lost a lot of the clout he earned last year. It dissolved very fast. It will be a long climb up. When you get beat like that, you show a lack of toughness that cannot easily be replaced.
 
i dont think nick saban would have done much better with what we have had to deal with this year.
I love this always being an excuse. Teams lose starters all the time and they dont absolutely collapse because those good coaches have backup plans, and they have coordinators who coach to the players they have not the ones they want.
 
We obviously won't be, and shouldn't be, firing him. I don't think there are more than a handful of people who actually think that.

But it will be interesting to see how he responds to this season's adversity. I'm sure he knew 2025 wasn't going to be 2024, but I'm also sure he never expected it to get this bad.

Nothing wrong with having core values, but what we've seen lately (especially Saturday) didn't look detailed, nor relentless, nor tough. We looked like a team that was hoping they didn't have to play a game. Hopefully everyone is least holding themselves accountable.
It's not just NOT firing him. We cannot extend him after this year's debacle. For all we know, he got extended after Clemson and its his team for the foreseeable future. For all we know, we refused to extend him after Clemson, and he is bitter. Most likely, of course, is that the discussion did not happen.

So then we go to Year 3... if next year is an above-average year... he will have every reason to bolt (you didn't extend me when you could have and booed me when it was bad). And if it is a below-average year, without an extension, that can work against us in recruiting (why go play for a guy coaching for his job?).

This is why you cannot give away games and get embarrassed in others.

Filardi... 5 turnovers in 2 starts. 2 pick-sixes and one INT/Pick 6 was called back.

Collins... 5 starts... 10 Interceptions, 1 fumble, and at least one D-TD allowed that I can remember.

Between them... 7 starts... 16 turnovers... 3 TDs for the defense.

Carney... 7 drives... no turnovers. Keep him on the bench though.

Carney's QBR is 97.8, Filardi's is 67.7. Collins is still over 100 at 101.8. But no starts for Carney.
 
I love this always being an excuse. Teams lose starters all the time and they dont absolutely collapse because those good coaches have backup plans, and they have coordinators who coach to the players they have not the ones they want.
i should have clarified, with this current roster. The issue is always the depth with this team
 

HCFB and staff will learn from this year and change appropriately for next season, IMO! And building a new program, out of the shambles of what it was when he became HC will take time!
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Am I happy about what has happened recently? No, there is no good excuse for a season to collapse like this when QB1 goes down, but for people talking about these last 7 games as a fire able offense is ludacris. We won 10 games last year, through 4 games this year we lost to a top 25 team and for 3 quarters played them tough, we beat Clemson on the road, then all hell broke lose. Our Defense needs mass improvement and we need a reliable back up or somebody to come in and compete to take the starting job, other then that we could be a top three or 4 team in the ACC next year. Look at what other teams are losing, plus coaching changes, or lack of coaching changes, we could be in Charlotte next year with the proper investments.
 
Criticize away...no one is above criticism.
I changed the title because I think we can criticize in a civil manner.
If you want to criticize me for that go ahead. You can have a freebie for criticizing site moderation. ;)
Where did he criticize site moderation?
 
Last year was incredible. Easily one of the most entertaining SU football seasons of my lifetime.

We have lost our last seven games by a combined score of 275-77, and a lot of the points in the 77 were just garbage points after the game was no longer in doubt. With the exception of the Pitt and UNC games where there was a shred of life in the 2nd half, every other game was completely unwatchable after halftime.

The fact that people are angry is healthy. It means they still care. What's way worse is apathy when people simply stop caring and decide it's not worth the financial and emotional investment.

You can love 2024, be livid at 2025, and be optimistic about 2026 all at the same time. None are mutually exclusive.
Love this. Thank you.
 
We don't count Angeli as a win? So in my eyes the staff is 2 for 3 in getting a good QB.
But how many backup QBs are there on the team? None have quality P4 experience. Maybe they will eventually develop but none seem close as of today. Can't use the entire season as a practice run for the following year.
 
The biggest thing that happened this year was Steve Angeli rupturing his Achillies. Before he did, he was the best QB in the country. It was almost like a Kyle repeat. The team was full of energy because Steve was a leader and the team bought in. We were on our way to another very good season.

Unfortunately, behind him The QB room was bare. And the coaches had no one to step in and be almost as good unlike some other college teams who stock 4 & 5 stars. So, that was it! It was very obvious when Collins tried to pretend like he was a QB. Filardi a QB at this level?

So now we are stuck. Fran has to get a second QB out of the portal who can compete with Steve and step in if Steve gets injured again. It was like when Steve went down so did the team. They knew he was the leader, then he was gone along with another good year for us.

Finding another QB to back up Steve should be on Frans front burner. Find someone who is a very good QB who has been sitting for two years and wants to play. Fran is going to solve many problems if he does.
 
If you trust Fran Brown as the HC, why do you not trust him to decide who the DC is?
I don’t know if I trust Fran or not. I believe he is doing the best he can to give us a good football team. He’s definitely not perfect and has many flaws he needs to work on. I like his moxie and it makes him a great recruiter. Being a great leader and head coach has yet to be seen.
I think many head coaches have a loyalty to certain assistants and will go down with the ship to keep that loyalty. It’s happened a lot.
I certainly hope Fran will put the team first when he evaluates his staff. We can’t progressively get worse every year at defense. Something has to give.
 

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