Frost was offered $1.8-2.0 million (corrected)

[TheCusian]

Yes, it was a shrewd move by a qualified candidate and employer. Good for him and good for UCF. Both parties should benefit from a fair deal.

We'll see if he jets after one year how UCF feels. There's a legit chance that happens.

 

[Rocco]

My guess is that if SU hires a current HC it will be $2.25 give or take 250K and $2.5 for staff.

I think that is relatively accurate. Not knowing how much of a cushion Coyle has, the only thing I've heard is that he was given a larger $$ budget to work with. The KEY to all of this, however, will be once we get into a bidding war with a few schools over some of these guys (Babers, etc.), how much firepower will Coyle be able to bring to the table.

I really, really, really hope that Syverud remains highly involved in these discussions and has the means to sweeten the deal if we HAVE to. Please, please, please...

 

[Finwad32]

I realize in the world of big time athletics that is low, but for a position coach at Syracuse, you can live a good life on that money. This is a problem I have with the system and how grossly overpaid coaches are, not Syracuse in particular.

I understand your point, but, position coaches rarely last more than 3-5 years. You can't live that good of a life given the instability of the profession. It's not the same as a $125K Salary for you or me where we can bank on that year after year no matter what.

 

[Crusty]

If Coyle signed up to that deal he'd look like a clown.

Is that 5 years all guaranteed? If he fails you got that hanging over you.

The risk allocation on this contract if it is guaranteed money is very one sided, and for an first time HC ridiculous.

The results will determine how ridiculous or not it is. We probably would be better off with the Frost deal than Shafer in the past two years.

 

[jr4750]

I understand your point, but, position coaches rarely last more than 3-5 years. You can't live that good of a life given the instability of the profession. It's not the same as a $125K Salary for you or me where we can bank on that year after year no matter what.

I agree with that. Its a tough life of moving around and very little stability. Payment should be higher due to those intangibles.

 

[GoSU96]

Another factor is that UCF's new AD White is also a career-climber. If Frost wins right away, he looks better and his pedigree indicates he'll be a strong candidate for P5 AD jobs. He probably isn't worried about UCF in 5 years either.

He should know all about one sided deals, his old man was the AD when ND gave Weiss a guaranteed 10 year contract.

 

[retro44]

I bet you all the agents out there are contacting Frost's agent to find out what pool and terms of his deal was...Now does Frost's agent embellish the numbers like what happened yesterday or does Coyle come back with even more money to show Frost he left money on the table.

 

[MSOrange]

So after any single year of the contract, all someone at Nebraska needs to do is pony up 850k and he's gone.

$850,000 is silly. At least give the illusion that you are committed to a school for crying out loud. Glad Coyle moved on.

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

No legitimate P5 AD makes that deal with an unproven HC. I feel immensely better about this situation. In Coyle We Trust.

 

[Crusty]

Don't forget Florida has no state income tax.

 

[rrlbees]

I know as recently as 4 years ago we had position coaches making 125K.

But not all across the board.

 

[rrlbees]

I love this. Oh, and there's one more detail...

And yet I was told by 75% of the posters that Coyle blew these negotiations and SU was cheap.

Thank you Mr Coyle for being smarter than some geniuses here.

 

[TexanMark]

Western Freaking Kentucky's buyout for Brohm at the signing...

- Brohm's contract buyout will start at a larger figure than that of former coach Bobby Petrino (who owed WKU $1.2 million when he left for Louisville), but it decreases in cost every year. If the contract is terminated before March 1, 2015, WKU is owed $1.5 million. If it is terminated before Feb. 28, 2016, WKU is owed $1.2 million. If the contract is broken before Febr. 28, 2017, WKU will be paid $900,000, and if it's terminated on or after March 1, 2017, WKU is owed $600,000.

It would be $1.2M if Cuse gets him...Frost's is ridiculously cheap.

 

[jgeorge322]

He got a $4 million staff budget (including himself) by taking a$300,000 cut. that is a healthy staff budget.

he has $2.3m for the staff. not $4m.

here is his press conf:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...scott-frost-salary-buyout-20151202-story.html

 

[reedny]

So he basically got one helluva friendly deal with UCF. I don't blame Coyle for not making that deal, but at the same time they should have known that Frost was already looking for houses in Lincoln. He shouldn't have been the first choice.

Yes, and from my satellite viewpoint, the coaching search is starting to look like our defense -- a dollar short and a day late. Praying this doesn't turn into a complete CF. We need to start ponying up more money to pay for the shortcomings we're pretending our program doesn't have.

 

[Crusty]

he has $2.3m for the staff. not $4m.

here is his press conf:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...scott-frost-salary-buyout-20151202-story.html

Yes, I know I included his $1.7 million.

 

[reedny]

Western Freaking Kentucky's buyout for Brohm at the signing...

- Brohm's contract buyout will start at a larger figure than that of former coach Bobby Petrino (who owed WKU $1.2 million when he left for Louisville), but it decreases in cost every year. If the contract is terminated before March 1, 2015, WKU is owed $1.5 million. If it is terminated before Feb. 28, 2016, WKU is owed $1.2 million. If the contract is broken before Febr. 28, 2017, WKU will be paid $900,000, and if it's terminated on or after March 1, 2017, WKU is owed $600,000.

It would be $1.2M if Cuse gets him...Frost's is ridiculously cheap.

Good point. Frost may have wanted odious departure conditions, but that's the market. Many of the up and coming coaches are in a superior bargaining position. With 15 vacancies, they can pick and choose. With the losses piling up and our average attendance in the tank, we are not the dream destination our fan base perceives us to be. The market's the market --- time to start ponying up.

 

[jekelish]

Yes .. and as odious as it may seem to some, Frost and many of the up and coming coaches are in a superior bargaining position. With 15 vacancies, they can pick and choose. With the losses piling up and our average attendance in the tank, we are not the dream destination our fan base perceives us to be. The market's the market --- time to start ponying up.

Pony up a fair salary, yes, but we can't just let ourselves get bent over.

 

[Alsacs]

I never wanted Scott Frost as HC. I just didn't want us to be cheap and we weren't. I wish the disinformation wasn't given but it was. The idea of hiring Chris Ash turned me into Johnny from the Shining.

As long as we don't hire Ash or a career defensive coordinator I will give Coyle an A. Hire Ash and its an .

 

[phil77]

And yet I was told by 75% of the posters that Coyle blew these negotiations and SU was cheap.

Thank you Mr Coyle for being smarter than some geniuses here.

I wasn't mad we didn't sign Frost. My concern and I stated a number of times was that Coyle should have known going in that Frost was looking to jump ship as soon as possible to Nebraska and not targeted him to begin with. Should never have interviewed him or offered a contract IMO.

 

[reedny]

I never wanted Scott Frost as HC. I just didn't want us to be cheap and we weren't. I wish the disinformation wasn't given but it was. The idea of hiring Chris Ash turned me into Johnny from the Shining.

As long as we don't hire Ash or a career defensive coordinator I will give Coyle an A. Hire Ash and its an .

Don't worry, Rutgers is after him. And I'm sure with all the public money they have to spend and their delusional fan base, they'll pay whatever he wants.

 

[OnlyOrange]

The last article I read said the main issue was length of contract. Frost wanted 2 years and SU wanted 4 or 5 and neither side would budge. If the $1.2-2M offer is accurate that amount of money isn't enough for a P5 program. At least not enough to be competitive. SU needs to add about $2.5M to their budget and look at established head coaches from successful P5 schools. (If only we had the money to even contemplate Richt)

The program (SU FBall) isn't going to be successful attracting unproven head coaches that look at SU as nothing more than a stepping stone. That's exactly what Frost did and exactly why he wanted a 2 year deal. He has his sights set on his alma mater, not 900 Irving Avenue.

 

[MikeSU02]

I wasn't mad we didn't sign Frost. My concern and I stated a number of times was that Coyle should have known going in that Frost was looking to jump ship as soon as possible to Nebraska and not targeted him to begin with. Should never have interviewed him or offered a contract IMO.

Bingo.

 

[Crusty]

Pony up a fair salary, yes, but we can't just let ourselves get bent over.

One of the problems is that we are not a destination for coaches. We are not in a good bargaining position and we are simply going to have to take a deep breath and accept objectionable terms or pay up enough to make them go away. I don't care about Frost as he wasn't my choice anyway. We are going to have to accept either a lesser candidate or greater money/lesser contract terms.

We might be better off focusing on older coaches that may not have the same issues as Frost types.

 

[reedny]

Pony up a fair salary, yes, but we can't just let ourselves get bent over.

Well again, I'm on the hill overlooking this process. I'm not as involved as some b/c I think talent, not coaching, was our major problem. I would rather have spent $1M on a recruiting guru than go through this meat grinder. What little ground we gained in recruiting is now up for grabs .. and the question pinging me is ... will the program improve long-term, or just cycle through another staff and tank again?

Now that we've crossed the Rubicon -- we need to be realistic about market conditions and our own shortcomings as a program. Our record has not been good of late. We're in a brutal conference. Our Dome needs a major re-do. Our recruiting streams are a trickle compared to our competition. I mean ... that's a lot for an up-and-coming coach to take on.

Add to all that .. the market for coaching talent is steep. Everyone's getting bent over. Mark's post about Western Ky.. is an example. And UCF ... choked on the buyout provisions, but they got a talented guy for a reasonable price. We're not the final destination our fans think we are ...