FSU vs The ACC

[Cusefan95]

The line in the article from the Big Ten saying they question if Florida State can be a strong partner is telling. FSU is 51-47 since 2017. They've NEVER invested in football at the same levels as SEC schools, they are a lot like Miami in that winning created a culture of winning that was able to overcome the facilities gap between them and schools like Alabama. Once the winning slowed, recruits started comparing the schools to their peers - and the facilities gap led to a big dip in recruiting. They don't have the bench of high value alumni to fund NIL to the level of the Alabamas and Ohio States, so now they're in an even bigger hole.

I think the vision was to get more TV revenue to spend on facilities while they tried to focus on playing catch-up on NIL - the TV revenue would just help on one of their two big issues. But they look like a program whose best days are behind them, just like Miami. They are two programs that became powers in the first big seismic shift in college football after the NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma (1984), but that are likely to be drowned in this most recent seismic shift. They can both be decent with occasionally great years going forward - they will never be what they once were though.

 

[kcsu]

I agree. But I also think the ACC had better hire some clever, resourceful PR experts to combat the SEC/B1G bias out there. They have to change the narrative on college football.

Agreed Philips needs help with messaging. The PR really needs to step up. We should be buying spots and the Big and SEC networks.

 

[kcsu]

Good idea. The conference itself needs to step up its game too. The commissioner is terrible at this and it seems the whole conference staff does a lousy job.

Really bad

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I agree. But I also think the ACC had better hire some clever, resourceful PR experts to combat the SEC/B1G bias out there. They have to change the narrative on college football.

The ACC got 2 crappy teams into the playoffs what are you talking about?

Miami only has to schedule one more respectable OOC game and they'd have gotten in over SMU.

Big Ten had a top 4 and those schools really only lost to each other. SEC held to 3.

G5 rewarded for having a better team than the Big 12 and ACC. What bias?

 

[orangepassion]

They should because the conference is good….but winning games against the SEC would help. ACC was 3-8. Need to combat general bias, the conference non league as a whole is good.

Overall the ACC was 10-12 against P4 which is 2nd most wins. SEC was 13-6

ACC 3-2 vs Big 10

Big 10 vs SEC 1-3

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Complete list of inter-conference football games for the 2024 college football season.

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Would have been great to see GT hold on and beat the SEC champion, Georgia.

 

[DCUNITED13]

The ACC got 2 crappy teams into the playoffs what are you talking about?

Miami only has to schedule one more respectable OOC game and they'd have gotten in over SMU.

Big Ten had a top 4 and those schools really only lost to each other. SEC held to 3.

G5 rewarded for having a better team than the Big 12 and ACC. What bias?

Lets See

Big 10 Champion ==> Oregon was Pack 12 last year
SEC Champion ==> Texas was Big 12 last year
Big 12 Champion ==> Arizona St. was Pac 12 last year
ACC Champion ==> Clemson ACC


So, lets look at this as scheduling variance.

LOL

 

[DoctorBombay]

Good idea. The conference itself needs to step up its game too. The commissioner is terrible at this and it seems the whole conference staff does a lousy job.

This^^^
Prior to the CFP announcement I listened to SEC commish Sankey talk smack about his conference, followed by a halting, timid looking Jim Phillips making a pitch for the ACC. Lots of "ummms and ahhs", it was pathetic to watch the contrast.
The ACC should hire an official spokesperson to deal w/ the media. Our current commish doesn't cut it. JMHO

 

[phreddie]

Lets See

Big 10 Champion ==> Oregon was Pack 12 last year
SEC Champion ==> Texas was Big 12 last year
Big 12 Champion ==> Arizona St. was Pac 12 last year
ACC Champion ==> Clemson ACC


So, lets look at this as scheduling variance.

LOL

Didn’t Georgia win the SEC?

 

[All4SU]

The ACC got 2 crappy teams into the playoffs what are you talking about?

Miami only has to schedule one more respectable OOC game and they'd have gotten in over SMU.

Big Ten had a top 4 and those schools really only lost to each other. SEC held to 3.

G5 rewarded for having a better team than the Big 12 and ACC. What bias?

In articles and coverage that claims the ACC got two teams in who should not be in and who played nobody.

 

[All4SU]

What changes that is winning. Clemson blew their chance this year. We have our chance next year. I hate the SEC, especially because I live in the midst of it, but their success in BCS games and the playoff has led to the bias.

I don’t think winning is enough. Look at the B1G. If you listen to the national press they are unmatched except for the SEC. But outside of OSU and Oregon (in year 1), are their schedules much different than most ACC schedules - especially where ND is included, or a decent OCC slate?

So much of perception is messaging. People nationally still think SU played a crap schedule. The ACC message gets lost all the time because all people will talk about is which teams want to leave, which teams are suing to leave, which teams will eventually leave, and which teams will be left behind. There is a very defeatist attitude in the ACC and it has to change at the top. And I’m not talking about glitzy commercials during games. I’m talking about old school, grass roots PR.

And who do you think talks the loudest/most about the ACC breaking up? The SEC/B1G. They’re not stupid.

 

[DCUNITED13]

Didn’t Georgia win the SEC?

No, the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor.

You are right,

 

[All4SU]

Can't put lipstick on a pig and think it'll sell - beating SEC and Big Ten teams is necessary in order to give PR types some kind of data they can use to create a positive narrative for the ACC. I'd rather they not try to convince people the ACC was really good this year when there's not any evidence for it - if SMU and/or Clemson (preferrable and...) pull upset, sure. Sell that like crazy.

On field results won't be enough - but they are a necessary first step. The ACC hasn't taken that first step yet.

I kind of disagree. I think Clemson tripped over their feet early, but got better as the season progressed. SMU was good. Miami was electric, but deficient on D. SU was solid, and exciting on O, but a bit inconsistent. GTech was solid. I can’t speak on Duke as I didn’t see them play even once. FSU screwed the pooch, and that colored everyone’s view of the conference. But because the ACC didn’t get respect preseason - except for Clemson and FSU- the entire conference was labeled weak. I just don’t think that’s accurate at all.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Looked at 2024 preseason ACC rankings by the media. By the way who gave a vote to BC to win the conference and 2 for Cal?

2024 ACC Preseason Poll

Rank	Team	Points
1.	Florida State (81)	2708
2.	Clemson (55)	2657
3.	Miami (17)	2344
4.	NC State (8)	2318
5.	Louisville	1984
6.	Virginia Tech (5)	1968
7.	SMU	1798
8.	North Carolina	1712
9.	Georgia Tech (1)	1539
10.	Cal (2)	1095
11.	Duke	1056
12.	Syracuse	1035
13.	Pitt	1016
14.	Boston College (1)	890
15.	Wake Forest	784
16.	Virginia	629
17.	Stanford	477

 

[SUMBA]

I have some advice that will help the ACC get respect:

Just win, baby!

 

[All4SU]

Looked at 2024 preseason ACC rankings by the media. By the way who gave a vote to BC to win the conference and 2 for Cal?

2024 ACC Preseason Poll

Rank	Team	Points
1.	Florida State (81)	2708
2.	Clemson (55)	2657
3.	Miami (17)	2344
4.	NC State (8)	2318
5.	Louisville	1984
6.	Virginia Tech (5)	1968
7.	SMU	1798
8.	North Carolina	1712
9.	Georgia Tech (1)	1539
10.	Cal (2)	1095
11.	Duke	1056
12.	Syracuse	1035
13.	Pitt	1016
14.	Boston College (1)	890
15.	Wake Forest	784
16.	Virginia	629
17.	Stanford	477

Anyone who voted for FSU for #1 and got it wrong by 17 positions, should have their voting privileges taken away for one year.

 

[All4SU]

I have some advice that will help the ACC get respect:

Just win, baby!

Always. But it’s more complicated than that.

 

[AcAndAc]

Looked at 2024 preseason ACC rankings by the media. By the way who gave a vote to BC to win the conference and 2 for Cal?

2024 ACC Preseason Poll

Rank	Team	Points
1.	Florida State (81)	2708
2.	Clemson (55)	2657
3.	Miami (17)	2344
4.	NC State (8)	2318
5.	Louisville	1984
6.	Virginia Tech (5)	1968
7.	SMU	1798
8.	North Carolina	1712
9.	Georgia Tech (1)	1539
10.	Cal (2)	1095
11.	Duke	1056
12.	Syracuse	1035
13.	Pitt	1016
14.	Boston College (1)	890
15.	Wake Forest	784
16.	Virginia	629
17.	Stanford	477

Do I read that right that Cal got 2 first place votes and BC one? Odd.
Edit: In fairness, those three might have been more accurate than the FSU votes.

 

[Cusefan95]

Always. But it’s more complicated than that.

It might be more complicated - but how the ACC did this year doesn't make it complicated at all. It makes it impossible.

Don't go 3-8 vs the SEC. And if you're going to go 3-8; don't have those three wins be against a 5-7 Auburn, 4-8 Kentucky, and 7-5 Florida - none of which move the needle. If the three wins were out of the following four games - Clemson-Georgia, Georgia Tech - Georgia, NC State - Tennessee, Clemson South Carolina (this one really hurt ACC Credibility...) - how the ACC is viewed would be dramatically different. If Clemson could have been competitive against Georgia and beaten South Carolina, we would be in much better position right now...but they didn't.

In general, the ACC plays the SEC more than the Big Ten - ACC went 3-2 vs the Big Ten but none of those games were needle movers. The ACC needs to be closer to .500 vs the SEC, AND win games which are matchups of the best teams in both conferences more than the zero wins we got this year. Because without that, it will remain uncomplicated - the ACC will, justifiably, get very little respect. And no amount of savvy PR can fix that.

 

[baggerbob]

I agree. But I also think the ACC had better hire some clever, resourceful PR experts to combat the SEC/B1G bias out there. They have to change the narrative on college football.

They need to start winning the rivalry games each year, looking at Georgia Tech, Clemson, FSU, and Louisville.
And other ACC schools need to schedule them out of conference.
We need to beat Tennessee in the season opening game.
Winning will reset the narrative.

 

[wfschrec]

Didn’t Georgia win the SEC?

Beat Texas twice with a far tougher schedule. BTW didn’t they also paste Michigan in the big house? B1G is comically overrated just like at the conference matchups. If you compare OOCs of each conference vs other P4s it ranks as follows:

SEC
ACC
B1G
B12

And didn’t Clemson lose to the #4 team in the SEC? Not nearly lose but actually lose. Fact is the SEC is the best but this B1G love is stupid it’s an overrated conference.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Always. But it’s more complicated than that.

Actually, no. No it's not.

 

[kirbivore]

 

[sufandu]

They should because the conference is good….but winning games against the SEC would help. ACC was 3-8. Need to combat general bias, the conference non league as a whole is good.

Overall the ACC was 10-12 against P4 which is 2nd most wins. SEC was 13-6

ACC 3-2 vs Big 10

Big 10 vs SEC 1-3

2024 College Football Conference Records - topdan.com

Complete list of inter-conference football games for the 2024 college football season.

topdan.com

It's not just the numbers against P4, it's head to heads against the big names/the teams ranked high in the preseason/early season. Gotta get some early season wins against Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Ohio St, Tennessee, etc. Nobody cares if the conference beats Northwestern, Kentucky, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Wisconsin, Nebraska, etc.

 

[sufandu]

I don’t think winning is enough. Look at the B1G. If you listen to the national press they are unmatched except for the SEC. But outside of OSU and Oregon (in year 1), are their schedules much different than most ACC schedules - especially where ND is included, or a decent OCC slate?

So much of perception is messaging. People nationally still think SU played a crap schedule. The ACC message gets lost all the time because all people will talk about is which teams want to leave, which teams are suing to leave, which teams will eventually leave, and which teams will be left behind. There is a very defeatist attitude in the ACC and it has to change at the top. And I’m not talking about glitzy commercials during games. I’m talking about old school, grass roots PR.

And who do you think talks the loudest/most about the ACC breaking up? The SEC/B1G. They’re not stupid.

Of course they don't talk about the ACC. Because the conference has been Clemson and then everyone else for a decade. It's all about winning. Beat the top of the SEC in early season games and then in the playoff and they'll talk about the ACC. The early season games against the top of the conference sets the tone for the whole conference.

 

[orangmannc1]

Looked at 2024 preseason ACC rankings by the media. By the way who gave a vote to BC to win the conference and 2 for Cal?

2024 ACC Preseason Poll

Rank	Team	Points
1.	Florida State (81)	2708
2.	Clemson (55)	2657
3.	Miami (17)	2344
4.	NC State (8)	2318
5.	Louisville	1984
6.	Virginia Tech (5)	1968
7.	SMU	1798
8.	North Carolina	1712
9.	Georgia Tech (1)	1539
10.	Cal (2)	1095
11.	Duke	1056
12.	Syracuse	1035
13.	Pitt	1016
14.	Boston College (1)	890
15.	Wake Forest	784
16.	Virginia	629
17.	Stanford	477

We should proud, beating the pre-season ranking by a greater margin than any other school. Fran Brown should have been the coach of the year in the ACC.