Future Campus Framework Discussion

[SUforme]

FFS...

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Typical su. If this is true I'm very worried about the future commitment of football and basketball

Naw. There will always be room for basketball. No reason we can't go back to the Big East. Butler has paved the way. You don't have to be a Catholic School. And being private actually helps. Don't know if they'd accept UCONN.

FWIW, the above is a Boneyard parody.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Naw. There will always be room for basketball. No reason we can't go back to the Big East. Butler has paved the way. You don't have to be a Catholic School. And being private actually helps. Don't know if they'd accept UCONN.

FWIW, the above is a Boneyard parody.

If SU ever dumps football they will lose me as a fan. That will be the nail in the coffin for this area

 

[cuse10]

Right. That agrees with my point of view. I have not seen Uber prices being more than a cab. That was my point.

That was just my personal experience. Depending on where you are in NYC and the time, the prices are comparable.

Re: the latest Dome news. It is discouraging. The BoT isn't going to approve any major projects especially given the controversial nature of some of the recent work done on campus which IMO were a good upgrade. While I would love an upgrade, I want Syverud to improve the university's status to being a Top 50 school once again. It dropped one spot to 61. It has gone down in status since I attended in 2006-2010.

 

[jr4750]

If SU ever dumps football they will lose me as a fan. That will be the nail in the coffin for this area

It's kinda simple in a way. The numbers don't add up. The dome roof needs to be redone in the next 10 years or less. The tech to maintain the current structure is more or less obsolete. The ACC has us committed to high level football, or our best version of it until at least 2035. With the ACC network, TV contracts, bowl tie ins, etc., that contract is in the neighborhood of 30-40 million a year until then, and most likely after that as well. We would be insane to drop football, which is the major reason we are in the conference to begin with, and lose that revenue on top of the marketing it gives us in the SE, which is where the vast majority of the population is growing. The dome will get done, because it has too. Will it have every bell and whistle available, heck no. Syracuse never goes to that level, but we will get something done in the next 5-10 years.

Only way we'd ever drop football is if we get left out of a major change in landscape and relegated down to the D-1AA level or similar. That or lawsuits kill the sport entirely...

As for the school rating issue that cuse10 noted. I'm right with ya. It's beyond embarrassing to be 61. How about the fact that they are gonna charge next years freshman 50k for that rating! Insane. BC is like 27. This needs to change asap. We keep going backwards.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Naw. There will always be room for basketball. No reason we can't go back to the Big East. Butler has paved the way. You don't have to be a Catholic School. And being private actually helps. Don't know if they'd accept UCONN.

FWIW, the above is a Boneyard parody.

If SU ever dumps football they will lose me as a fan. That will be the nail in the coffin for this area

It's kinda simple in a way. The numbers don't add up. The dome roof needs to be redone in the next 10 years or less. The tech to maintain the current structure is more or less obsolete. The ACC has us committed to high level football, or our best version of it until at least 2035. With the ACC network, TV contracts, bowl tie ins, etc., that contract is in the neighborhood of 30-40 million a year until then, and most likely after that as well. We would be insane to drop football, which is the major reason we are in the conference to begin with, and lose that revenue on top of the marketing it gives us in the SE, which is where the vast majority of the population is growing. The dome will get done, because it has too. Will it have every bell and whistle available, heck no. Syracuse never goes to that level, but we will get something done in the next 5-10 years.

Only way we'd ever drop football is if we get left out of a major change in landscape and relegated down to the D-1AA level or similar. That or lawsuits kill the sport entirely...
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Some of you need to look up the definition of PARODY.

 

[Chris02M]

only thing waiting would be good for is if they are committed to full on reno , not just the bare minimum i could be ok with waiting a little bit

 

[JSOrange97]

only thing waiting would be good for is if they are committed to full on reno , not just the bare minimum i could be ok with waiting a little bit

Yes, but would it be more of the same? Promises, promises...

2021 is ridiculous. They have serious gameday experience issues (out of town scores reporting 3+ hours late, awful service at concessions, horrible sound, etc.) They could consider scaling seating down to 40k and it wouldn't matter by 2021.

 

[CuseOnly]

Maybe the stainless railings were what they were talking about all along...

 

[UnknownOrange]

I really don't think they realize how important it is to work quickly with this. I know there are SO many moving parts but they do not NEED to wait on state money, it seems they are CHOOSING to do this.

SU needs to realize what they are up against; parking is bad, the quad is bad, concessions are boring and beer is expensive (compared to at home pricing not other stadiums), the games are long, the dome can be very warm, and the seating is uncomfortable. You as an athletic department are directly competing with fan's couches.

TV's are fantastic and only getting better. Technology is the same way. What exactly does SU have going for it right now that would make fence sitters leave their homes?

4 Years might as well be 20 years the way technology moves lately. Huge mistake to put this reno off..*


*assuming rumors are true

 

[longtimefan]

I really don't think they realize how important it is to work quickly with this. I know there are SO many moving parts but they do not NEED to wait on state money, it seems they are CHOOSING to do this.

SU needs to realize what they are up against; parking is bad, the quad is bad, concessions are boring and beer is expensive (compared to at home pricing not other stadiums), the games are long, the dome can be very warm, and the seating is uncomfortable. You as an athletic department are directly competing with fan's couches.

TV's are fantastic and only getting better. Technology is the same way. What exactly does SU have going for it right now that would make fence sitters leave their homes?

4 Years might as well be 20 years the way technology moves lately. Huge mistake to put this reno off..*


*assuming rumors are true

True dat.

 

[Newhouser]

The school is not committed to being a player in athletics. We are in the ACC and get all those benefits and we will due the minimum we need to do to make an impact and not embarrass ourselves. I know - I should give the AD time and Dino will have the Dome rocking, and the influx of ACC money is going to change our culture. I don't believe it. I hope I"m wrong.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

$350 million is the budget for the entire Dome renovation.

Some of you people were expecting SU to spend the whole $350 mil on just a new locker room?

 

[elimunelson]

If SU ever dumps football they will lose me as a fan. That will be the nail in the coffin for this area

What scenario would Syracuse drop football? I have seen this narrative but i'm curious how that waterfall scenario occurs? I'm sure there are 3 things that are definites about SU Football right now:

1. SU Football is profitable
2. SU Football is profitable b/c it plays in the ACC
3. SU Football isn't profitable if it stops playing in the ACC

#1 and #2 aren't changing.

 

[Toga]

$350 million is the budget for the entire Dome renovation.

Some of you people were expecting SU to spend the whole $350 mil on just a new locker room?

Has said budget been approved by the BOT?

 

[HtownOrange]

Just my surmising, no inside info:

The option for a complete replacement remains on the table and with a price tag between $350MM-$500MM (numbers thrown around in previous discussions, the BoT may be re-thinking the overall plan while they await the political change that must occur. I like the Dome where it is but I can understand why they may want a new facility since the renovation will cost approximately what a replacement would cost and then that would free up the current Dome space for academic buildings. This would kill many birds with one stone: Free up Dome space for academic buildings, new facility (no renovation required), ADA compliant, better facilities for foods and shops, better TV, A/C, etc.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Just my surmising, no inside info:

The option for a complete replacement remains on the table and with a price tag between $350MM-$500MM (numbers thrown around in previous discussions, the BoT may be re-thinking the overall plan while they await the political change that must occur. I like the Dome where it is but I can understand why they may want a new facility since the renovation will cost approximately what a replacement would cost and then that would free up the current Dome space for academic buildings. This would kill many birds with one stone: Free up Dome space for academic buildings, new facility (no renovation required), ADA compliant, better facilities for foods and shops, better TV, A/C, etc.

TBH I am pretty much all for a new facility. The Dome has been awesome but if you get a brand new arena (say up on skytop) then that will blow the Dome out of the water.

Obviously you can build a new arena while you still occupy the dome so you lose no games for any sport.

The Yankees built a new stadium. The dome can be replaced.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You're not getting a new stadium with a roof for $500 mil.

The new Viking stadium was $1.2 Billion. Even a toned down version will cost some coin.

 

[cuse10]

TBH I am pretty much all for a new facility. The Dome has been awesome but if you get a brand new arena (say up on skytop) then that will blow the Dome out of the water.

Obviously you can build a new arena while you still occupy the dome so you lose no games for any sport.

The Yankees built a new stadium. The dome can be replaced.

The Yankees built a new stadium that is literally a couple hundred feet from the old stadium. What many are proposing is moving the facility off campus or to Skytop. You thought getting to the Dome was a hike before, wait until it is placed on Skytop where you have stretches of road (one of which that runs through South Campus) that wasn't built to handle large amounts of traffic.

 

[UnknownOrange]

The Yankees built a new stadium that is literally a couple hundred feet from the old stadium. What many are proposing is moving the facility off campus or to Skytop. You thought getting to the Dome was a hike before, wait until it is placed on Skytop where you have stretches of road (one of which that runs through South Campus) that wasn't built to handle large amounts of traffic.

Was more of a 'if they build a new yankee stadium, no stadium is safe.

If they were to put the dome up @ Skytop there would be changes to 481 to accommodate. Also other exit roads can be built.

 

[UnknownOrange]

You're not getting a new stadium with a roof for $500 mil.

The new Viking stadium was $1.2 Billion. Even a toned down version will cost some coin.

I'm not sure about this. I think you're in the 500-600 million dollar range. University of Phoenix Stadium where the Cardinals play was $455 in 2004-2006 and seats 63K.

I think if you scale that down to a 44K seat arena with not nearly as many luxury suites ... it's plausible

 

[CuseLegacy]

I'm not sure about this. I think you're in the 500-600 million dollar range. University of Phoenix Stadium where the Cardinals play was $455 in 2004-2006 and seats 63K.

I think if you scale that down to a 44K seat arena with not nearly as many luxury suites ... it's plausible

And all the money was given by different entities because it involved a professional sports team. It doesn't matter if it is half a billion or a billion if there are no available funds.

"Contributors to the stadium included the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority ($302.3 million), the Arizona Cardinals ($143.2 million), and the City of Glendale ($9.5 million)."

 

[Toga]

I'm not sure about this. I think you're in the 500-600 million dollar range. University of Phoenix Stadium where the Cardinals play was $455 in 2004-2006 and seats 63K.

I think if you scale that down to a 44K seat arena with not nearly as many luxury suites ... it's plausible

That's crazy - they don't even have a team.

 

[UnknownOrange]

And all the money was given by different entities because it involved a professional sports team. It doesn't matter if it is half a billion or a billion if there are no available funds.

"Contributors to the stadium included the Arizona Sports and Tourism Authority ($302.3 million), the Arizona Cardinals ($143.2 million), and the City of Glendale ($9.5 million)."

Well yeah of course. But SU will need to pony up some dough and quit acting like a poor university

 

[CuseLegacy]

Well yeah of course. But SU will need to pony up some dough and quit acting like a poor university

I am always amazed at all the posters that must work in the accounting department for the university because you all seem to know the finances of the university and for a fact that they can afford a major renovation of the Dome or construction of a new facility without major donations.