Future Campus Framework Presentation...

[xc84]

And no offense, but Populous has done hundreds of stadium designs...let's leave it to the experts.

If only...

 

[NJCuse97]

I'm going purely based on that recent picture of Vikings stadium that was posted earlier in the thread. The shadows were pretty dark in the pic.

You are not wrong about the Viking Stadium. They are open to the SW. There are shadows. I thought it a little odd myself. They said in the post above that they intended to take on the heat load due to weather, so that explains it a bit. I think they angled it west so that load is less, and controlled.

 

[FrancoPizza]

You are not wrong about the Viking Stadium. They are open to the SW. There are shadows. I thought it a little odd myself. They said in the post above that they intended to take on the heat load due to weather, so that explains it a bit. I think they angled it west so that load is less, and controlled.

Would we have similar concerns about heat load?

 

[sutomcat]

Tomcat - what I was told was that they have to pitch the roof where on one end they can put the press box, coordinators, camera crew and a few private boxes (like the SU box) up on that higher level and convert the existing press boxes to add more regular box seating. Regarding box availability that is more fluid on the football side than the basketball side.

If they do pitch the roof and add higher level boxes, I hope it's on the visitor side so that the TV viewing angle shows more of the home side where the Dome is more full than the visitors side.

That makes sense but since I sit on the home side, I want it on that side. Looks like my days of sitting next to the opposing coaches box are coming to an end soon.

I hope they pitch the roof so there is space for third level private boxes and a concourse on both sides. If they want to save on initial costs, don't build the concourse or the private boxes initially on one side, but leave the space for them to be added afterwards.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Tomcat - what I was told was that they have to pitch the roof where on one end they can put the press box, coordinators, camera crew.

Does this mean we can say goodbye to the low camera angle that contributed to a high-school football quality presentation? It'll be awesome to see regional or nationally televised games from the higher pitch. I don't know why I'm getting obsessed with these types of details but I can't help it.

If they do pitch the roof and add higher level boxes, I hope it's on the visitor side so that the TV viewing angle shows more of the home side where the Dome is more full than the visitors side.

If Babers brings us back to respectability, we probably don't have to worry about the camera hiding empty seats, right? I've always sat on the visitor's side - is it really noticeably fuller on the home side? The only tradeoff I've perceived is the marching band always faces the home side. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see if STHs make strategic seat relocations based on future amenities, light and shadows, etc. At least for those of us who are comfortable in the 300s, we can plan ahead without worrying if we're going to lose our seats.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Can't EFTE the entire stadium, it will create a greenhouse effect and be impossibly to keep cool with or without AC.

Just watch - in 5 years after we've completed the new facility, NASA will roll out a new translucent material that blocks 100% UV rays, eliminates glare, blocks the greenhouse effect, and allows fresh air through its porous membrane.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Sort of like the great pee trough in the sky?

If yours is pink I'd see a doctor immediately.

 

[retro44]

I personally would put magnifying glass concentrated on the visitors sidelines to make it feel much hotter than Florida while having AC ductwork air handlers blowing nice temperate air to the home sidelines,as for Notre Dame I have other plans that Dino must sure approve. Belicheat would be proud of my game plan. I might even let Brady be the ball boy for a game or two to pick up some tips.

 

[FrancoPizza]

With the northern side open to light, fans in the 300 level on the south side of the facility might be able to see some of the city skyline. Maybe Oneida Lake or even the cooling towers on Lake Ontario near Oswego.

I don't think sight lines would allow those on the top rows to see much on the horizon. The stadium sits at one of the highest vantage points in the city and the stadium walls are the same height on all sides. If the AXA towers grew to 70-stories that might break the plane of the horizon? I hope my hunch is wrong and that my estimations are way off. If they decide to add a 400-level, or if boxes will sit above the 300s as some are indicating, then that might present some interesting viewing possibilities. A big X-factor is whether the support walls for the new hardtop will be translucent (in between the load-bearing parts, obviously). The Vikings Stadium makes really great use of natural light coming from the vertical, especially because the stadium is open on one side. From what chakka said, though, it sounds like any vertical real estate created by the roof pitch will be eaten up by new amenities.

Going the other way, not much to see. Sentinel Heights, some TV and cellular towers, etc.

I urge you to reconsider - you're forgetting Van Duyn and Brighton Towers.

 

[retro44]

Just watch - in 5 years after we've completed the new facility, NASA will roll out a new translucent material that blocks 100% UV rays, eliminates glare, blocks the greenhouse effect, and allows fresh air through its porous membrane.

Might be better just to use Gorilla glass to protect the stadium from Dino's high powered offense....NASA won't be ready for him.

 

[chakka3421]

That makes sense but since I sit on the home side, I want it on that side. Looks like my days of sitting next to the opposing coaches box are coming to an end soon.

I hope they pitch the roof so there is space for third level private boxes and a concourse on both sides. If they want to save on initial costs, don't build the concourse or the private boxes initially on one side, but leave the space for them to be added afterwards.

Maybe I said it wrong but the higher pitch should be on the visitors side. And I think it has to be pitched higher on the visitor side as that is the North side and you want the lower pitch on the southern most side for sunlight, heat and snow melt. Another reason to be on that side is fewer people walk on that side so if there is a snow/ice buildup that comes crashing and not melting down it falls down where fewer people are most likely walking/congregating.

 

[CuseOnly]

Can't EFTE the entire stadium, it will create a greenhouse effect and be impossibly to keep cool with or without AC.

Actually, you can. They can adhere foil to it with different properties, and/or change the amount of light it will let in along with UV rays with different degrees of opaqueness.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Actually, you can. They can adhere foil to it with different properties, and/or change the amount of light it will let in along with UV rays with different degrees of opaqueness.

I'm sure if it was that simple the Vikings would have opted for it.

 

[CuseOnly]

I'm sure if it was that simple the Vikings would have opted for it.

It is pretty much that simple and no they wanted what they "opted" for because they wanted a stadium that had an open feel without a moving roof.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/adventure/sports/a19066/minnesota-viking-football-stadium-roof/

http://www.architen.com/articles/etfe-the-new-fabric-roof/

http://www.vikings.com/news/article...perience/ef5abce9-2f70-4fdc-9d02-2d4efa6b401a

"Fritting" can be done on multiple layers of ETFE to almost completely block UV Rays as well as up to 46% of sunlight. They can also use a sunscreening material between multiple layers of ETFE to block sun or to create an opaque surface to project upon.

The more I read about this stuff, the possibilities are endless for these types of applications.

 

[sutomcat]

Maybe I said it wrong but the higher pitch should be on the visitors side. And I think it has to be pitched higher on the visitor side as that is the North side and you want the lower pitch on the southern most side for sunlight, heat and snow melt.

Another reason to be on that side is fewer people walk on that side so if there is a snow/ice buildup that comes crashing and not melting down it falls down where fewer people are most likely walking/congregating.

I think you said it right. Looking at images of the Vikings stadium, it looks like the roof is steeper on the steel covered North side, which makes sense since snow will be tougher to get rid of on that side because the sun won't be directly shining on it, helping to melt it.

Looks like what you are describing regarding where the roof starts on the North and South sides holds true; the South side is lower. This was surely done to promote good views of the area south of the stadium. It is unfortunate there isn't much to see in that direction. If this stadium was built in GoSU96's beloved Inner Harbor location, it would have provided nice views of the Downtown skyline. Oh well...

 

[SU2NASA]

Just watch - in 5 years after we've completed the new facility, NASA will roll out a new translucent material that blocks 100% UV rays, eliminates glare, blocks the greenhouse effect, and allows fresh air through its porous membrane.

I'll get HoustonCuse right on it.

 

[Budley]

It's great to hear an announcement. First and foremost, we have a roof decision and cost estimate ($105M). So that's progress.

But $100M (by edit) for "ADA compliance" ...? That's a head-scratcher. Is the hotel idea out? What about the open space /atrium concept? What about cutting into the structure to expand concourse space and provide more food/entertainment options? I can see $1.0M for ADA compliance and the rest for general renovations. But $100M ... seems like a decimal mistake.

Unfortunately, when you perform any modifications to a facility that is subject to ADA, you must, at the same time, bring the facility up to compliance with ADA and that could certainly be costly. ADA improvements are not being included just to be nice.

 

[Budley]

I had previously heard 5-7k (10-15%). You've heard more?

Takes care of some of the parking problem for no additional cost!

 

[gmoney44]

Wild guess: the costs on the improvements announced yesterday are going to go up like the -35.

If like the F35 the customers continuously change the requirements then yes the price will skyrocket.

 

[reedny]

Unfortunately, when you perform any modifications to a facility that is subject to ADA, you must, at the same time, bring the facility up to compliance with ADA and that could certainly be costly. ADA improvements are not being included just to be nice.

The ADA cost ($100M) was incorrectly reported and the PS changed the article to state, IWOS, that the figure included ADA "and other improvements". I would guess 10% for ADA ... but I'll let the engineers and architects weigh in on that. I doubt compliance would ever reach half the (Dome) project cost.

 

[GoSU96]

If like the F35 the customers continuously change the requirements then yes the price will skyrocket.

Or reduce the quantity and the per unit NRE goes up.

 

[Millhouse]

Unfortunately, when you perform any modifications to a facility that is subject to ADA, you must, at the same time, bring the facility up to compliance with ADA and that could certainly be costly. ADA improvements are not being included just to be nice.

A great way for facilities to never be modified

 

[Millhouse]

The ADA cost ($100M) was incorrectly reported and the PS changed the article to state, IWOS, that the figure included ADA "and other improvements". I would guess 10% for ADA ... but I'll let the engineers and architects weigh in on that. I doubt compliance would ever reach half the (Dome) project cost.

The PR people at SU got exactly what they wanted from that sentence !

 

[NJCuse97]

A great way for facilities to never be modified

The reality is its a percentage of area or cost that kicks in a full upgrade requirement. If not, like you say, nothing would be done

 

[TexanMark]

The reality is its a percentage of area or cost that kicks in a full upgrade requirement. If not, like you say, nothing would be done

I think it is a good thing that ADA will be done...