Class of 2020 G Kadary Richmond (NY/Brewster Academy) Portal to St Johns

[dasher]

But we have posts above indicating above that it WAS all about the money, and he just took at offer that he couldn't refuse / we couldn't match.

So... both can't be true, so is it column A or column B? [not directed at you, asking the question aloud]

Other than Kadary, no one will know. But you would have to think it was a combo of things. The money, of course. To play for a Hall of Famer in NYC has to be in the mix. Who do you think will get a warmer reception..Kadary when they play at SH or Cooley when he goes back to Providence?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Yeah, it's only been said about 1,000 times on the board.

Some people just don't (or won't) get it. It's always the fault of SU/Coaches/staff/something something something...

The posters who complain the loudest about the lack of NIL funds are usually the ones who contribute the least.

 

[Orangezoo]

Here's how it's playing in NYC...and don't overlook this paragraph:

“He (Pitino) told me to do some research on the players he had that struggled shooting and take a look at jumps they made after being with him,” Richmond said. “They showed improvements in all areas. That really stood out to me as well.”

St. John’s lands Seton Hall’s Kadary Richmond in seismic transfer to complete backcourt overhaul

It took some time, roughly seven weeks after the transfer portal opened on March 18. But St. John’s has broken through.

nypost.com

Nice sales pitch- it’s BS at this point in Pitinos career but is what it is. St John’s will struggle to score from the perimeter but will be lethal attacking the rim. Won’t have the interior presence they did this past year either. Good luck to Kadary with that roster.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Wonder what that kind of money for one player does for overall team morale?

Ask the Lakers, Warriors, NFL teams, etc. Also, star recruits have been getting paid for decades.

 

[rrlbees]

Nope. I said what I meant. It’s the University’s team and the University is responsible to line up the NIL funds.

Where does it come from?

 

[jdubs30]

And I’ll say this. For those who want info about money. Cuse has offered a player 600k for a year and they said no and went elsewhere. Don’t want to hear they aren’t trying to pay bc they are. But these kids are just taking the highest offer and some pockets are deeper than others

$600K a year isn’t much of anything for the real difference makers.

It’s not Reds fault. But clearly we don’t have the money that other NIL collectives do

 

[W'boro'Cuse315]

If he’s a good practice player who makes the starters better, glad he’s here. Most good walkons consider the practices their “game time” and compete hard in practice.

The biggest question I have after reading the entirety of this thread up to this point is why did Day2 give the quoted post regarding Chaz Owens a dislike?

 

[rrlbees]

I buy tickets and bring my kids and others. I have seasons for football. That doesn’t come cheap. The university is getting my money. It needs to figure the rest out. That’s what they’re paid to do. It’s not joe smith’s responsibility.

I don’t care how they do it. Just figure it out.

I think we’re making this all about NIL and that’s a little too convenient of a cop-out like the AD has no say in those efforts. There are many ways to skin the cat. NIL. Salesmanship. Coaching ability. Facilities/amenities. Fan support. All of those matter. If deficient in one area then compensate in others.

And none of that goes to NIL. Nobody can tell you how to spend your money but IMO if you don’t give to NIL stop complaining about it and expecting others to foot the bill.

 

[Bulldog04]

$600K a year isn’t much of anything for the real difference makers.

It’s not Reds fault. But clearly we don’t have the money that other NIL collectives do

I don’t think it’s very far off but just a matter of what they spend. Fran made recruiting promises IF he was given the resources. He’s pulled through on those promises. The situation in basketball is so different. I don’t really know how to explain it

 

[Cuse1055]

I don’t think it’s very far off but just a matter of what they spend. Fran made recruiting promises IF he was given the resources. He’s pulled through on those promises. The situation in basketball is so different. I don’t really know how to explain it

So it doesn’t sound equitable.

 

[OptimusOtto]

$600K a year isn’t much of anything for the real difference makers.

It’s not Reds fault. But clearly we don’t have the money that other NIL collectives do

I’m not gonna pretend to know whos offering what, but I wouldn’t trust everything you read about who’s offering what. And to take it a step further there’s a big difference between what’s offered and doing enough to actually see that full amount.

Who knows maybe it’s better to be one of these schools to throw out a huge number and hide behind the contract and not pay it out.

 

[SUFan44]

I don’t think it’s very far off but just a matter of what they spend. Fran made recruiting promises IF he was given the resources. He’s pulled through on those promises. The situation in basketball is so different. I don’t really know how to explain it

A) I think you can try to explain it.

B) $600K compared to $650K isn’t far off. $600K compared to $800-$1M is pretty far off.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Nice sales pitch- it’s BS at this point in Pitinos career but is what it is. St John’s will struggle to score from the perimeter but will be lethal attacking the rim. Won’t have the interior presence they did this past year either. Good luck to Kadary with that roster.

Pitino has sent a lot of guys to the league and is a HOF coach. Richmond wanted to stay in NYC. Don’t like Pitino at all but he out recruited us on this one without an under the table payment. I was under the impression that Red, Griff and Straughn are elite recruiters.. Really like the 2 freshman we added and generally the portal adds. However, not getting the Fran vibes and relentless at all cost type of attitude. Richmond is a nice player but flawed IMO (Not a great shooter, pounds the ball, gets winded, takes plays off). Very good player and can win a few games by himself but he should have been in the NBA by now and he did not lead SH to much success either.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

The posters who complain the loudest about the lack of NIL funds are usually the ones who contribute the least.

I pay zero. I will never pay NIL. It’s a matter of principle. If the team never wins another championship or isn’t competitive at the levels that I like because I didn’t contribute, so be it. Maybe I’ll deal with that, maybe I’ll just have to find another passion—after 40 years…. I’m still going to discuss NIL, recruiting that involves it, and various other peripheral matters. I may gripe about the system and value and related concepts. I won’t complain about whether we are paying enough or whether we have enough to pay. But there’s a fine line between the two sides.

This is all just insanely stupid, but I recognize that stupidity very frequently becomes the natural order of things in ‘culture.’ Doesn’t mean that I have to fall in line with it. Just that I have to live with the consequences of choosing a different direction.

Amazing, that this started because schools were making money and players thought they had a right to a share in it. And now, it doesn’t matter how much the schools profit, it’s the fans who have to pay. Maybe it gives some of you a closer sense of participation in the program and some sort of bond to the people you buy, and if that’s it, good for you.

 

[Nicknack]

We go back to talking about how much the staff LOVES Carlos.

Yes sir. I was just testing you.

 

[Sdot]

Was kadary seriously visiting this weekend or was that just speculation? …I keep hearing on Twitter about some secret visitor

 

[OmahaCuse]

Was kadary seriously visiting this weekend or was that just speculation? …I keep hearing on Twitter about some secret visitor

Griff said get your popcorn ready. Hope its not the 3rd string center

 

[two3zone]

And none of that goes to NIL. Nobody can tell you how to spend your money but IMO if you don’t give to NIL stop complaining about it and expecting others to foot the bill.

Probably shouldn't have kicked a billionaire who doesn't have a problem throwing money around to the curb.

 

[Sherman20]

And I’ll say this. For those who want info about money. Cuse has offered a player 600k for a year and they said no and went elsewhere. Don’t want to hear they aren’t trying to pay bc they are. But these kids are just taking the highest offer and some pockets are deeper than others

It’s just crazy that crappy St. John’s has more NIL money than Syracuse. Never in a million years would I imagine that to be the case. I get they now have Rick and the Vitamin Water guy but that’s still mind boggling.

 

[OmahaCuse]

It’s just crazy that crappy St. John’s has more NIL money than Syracuse. Never in a million years would I imagine that to be the case. I get they now have Rick and the Vitamin Water guy but that’s still mind boggling.

I don’t think that’s why we missed out. It was Pitino and NYC ties after basketball, kids hometown

 

[FrancoPizza]

I was under the impression that Red, Griff and Straughn are elite recruiters..

whether they are good or very good at high school recruiting, that’s maybe 25% of the equation. The other 75% is rebuilding the roster through the portal every year and they’re underperforming in this area.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Did you boost about not paying the $100 for Leffew? Figuring it out means we all pay.

How is NIL being raised at other schools? I seriously doubt it’s a crowdfunding campaign that moves the needle. Vitamin water, scrap metal it’s all the same. Billionaires are generally going to be shady characters, but that’s where the lion’s share of the $ comes from. John and Kent need to decide if they want to be big time or small time.

So let’s say you’re $50,000 short for a prized player - are you really going to tell him to hang on while your school does a 24-hour Jerry Lewis telethon for the John Does to call in and donate $100 apiece? That’s not how the big schools play.

 

[PeteCalvin]

It’s just crazy that crappy St. John’s has more NIL money than Syracuse. Never in a million years would I imagine that to be the case. I get they now have Rick and the Vitamin Water guy but that’s still mind boggling.

The BE schools don’t have to worry about funding two major sports either. They can focus all their NIL resources on hoops.

 

[dasher]

A) I think you can try to explain it.

B) $600K compared to $650K isn’t far off. $600K compared to $800-$1M is pretty far off.

Depends on where to? In New York, the taxes are pretty rough on 600k. In Ga, where we lost Leffew to, the taxes are much less.

 

[longtimefan]

Well, now that the Kadary fever dream has broken, what's the state of the state?

Kadary would have been a high-profile "get," had he come here. We have a big need at the 1, he's the top rated PG in the portal. Hammer meets nail. But now that he's St. John's bound:

• Carlos becomes a big determinant of next year's team ceiling
• Hope Westry is [1] healthy, [2] can quickly shake off any ring rust, and [3] can spell the point, a la Copeland
• Also hope we add another wing shooter, to bolster what we already have
• I caveat the previous bullet by indicating that I expect the coaches to primarily stand pat, and roll with JJ / Carlos / Westry / Moore as the backcourt

I expect they will not roll with 3 unfilled scholarships. What position(s) the potential portal adds may be--your guess is as good as mine.