Gattis

[Moontan]

Duke and SMU were wins with Angeli

Would've won at least one of them, possibly both.

 

[FireballPhil]

Apparently you never listened to HCFB explanation of that and I did not say I would do that as a tactic. I am talking about a specific action taken by an assistant coach during the last game. If you think that was ok, you are entitled to your viewpoint .

Sorry I forgot to type in hieroglyphics to convey my ancient sarcasm. I was joking about it but since you brought it up, is it okay? Absolutely 100%. The coaches are getting paid a lot of money to teach these kids who aren't really kids anymore. Most of them probably make more playing a sport than I do in a year. So yeah it is perfectly fine for a coach to yell at a player who everyone can agree was not performing as expected. Was it a good look for the school/team on TV? Most people wouldn't care, most expect a coach to yell at a player. Most of us are old enough to have not lived in the participation trophy era, and understand that passion is a part of the game. If the kid wasn't getting paid NIL it might be a bit different but even still the kid is getting free school, books, room, etc just to play a sport. And with prices these days that alone comes close to my annual salary. If they don't want to be yelled at from the coaches, they should just quit and go to school because a snowflake will melt in the heat of the real world.

 

[FireballPhil]

Why do people equate “getting paid” with getting “yelled at”? I’m sure there are people on here who have been paid well who wouldn’t have liked or wouldn’t have responded positively to being abused by their bosses for making a mistake. Why is it okay in the context of a football player? Because it’s “old school”? That’s silly. Old school doesn’t equal good. In fact, in most aspects of life is equals outdated and less effective than newer and better methods.

Here’s the deal, Ricky isn’t very good. People with analytical thought knew that from the start. Too bad we lost Angeli. I’m not sure Carney is going to be much better, at least not one month into his freshman season. But, in the meantime, there’s no evidence abusing kids will make them better.

It’s on Fran for not having a competent backup, although I give him a lot of credit for bringing Angeli in. it’s not Fran’s fault he got hurt.

Why? Because part of sports is passion.Both as a player and as a coach. Momentum is a real thing. You don't think the kids get yelled at in practice? You think just because they are on TV it gives a bad look? Or do you think in practice they just pet their heads and say its okay you will do better next time? You can't say it is okay in practice but not okay in a game just because there are more eyeballs.

 

[tptcuse]

Carney came here in January.

I am a bit worried about our QB recruiting. We needed to get a HS QB who could play this year knowing we only had Williams coming back (unless they thought Williams was good enough to play some this year). So did they fail on everyone they tried for? Did they think Carney was that guy and got it wrong? Because if Carney is that guy then he should be playing.

The current HS recruiting looks to be the same too. Why the last two years are we involved with guys outside the Top 75? That isn't good enough. Even if you are getting QB1 in the portal, the backup is likely to be needed at some point.

Which might be why they are all in on Collins. They know that we have no QB2 for 2026 and hope that they can fix him enough that he can sufficiently backup Angeli.

No inside information but I posted this in another thread that I'm convinced the staff knew Angeli was going to be available and that they had a good chance of landing him.

 

[Ozone!]

Sorry I forgot to type in hieroglyphics to convey my ancient sarcasm. I was joking about it but since you brought it up, is it okay? Absolutely 100%. The coaches are getting paid a lot of money to teach these kids who aren't really kids anymore. Most of them probably make more playing a sport than I do in a year. So yeah it is perfectly fine for a coach to yell at a player who everyone can agree was not performing as expected. Was it a good look for the school/team on TV? Most people wouldn't care, most expect a coach to yell at a player. Most of us are old enough to have not lived in the participation trophy era, and understand that passion is a part of the game. If the kid wasn't getting paid NIL it might be a bit different but even still the kid is getting free school, books, room, etc just to play a sport. And with prices these days that alone comes close to my annual salary. If they don't want to be yelled at from the coaches, they should just quit and go to school because a snowflake will melt in the heat of the real world.

Being yelled at doesn’t make you a better player. That’s old school knucklehead football. You certainly assume a lot about people in your retort.
Honestly, if you were new at your job would you truly enjoy being yelled at by your supervisor?

 

[sufan59]

Collins is too laid back. He's a good kid but he lacks leadership qualities, lacks fire. From what I've seen he needs a fire lite under his arse.
I like that the coach laid into him.

I want to see and I’m sure the coaches are trying to bring out that dawg in him. I felt like we did start to see it a little bit in the second half with some of the QB runs. He’s got plenty of naysayers now, take that and run with it. Prove us wrong.

 

[FireballPhil]

Being yelled at doesn’t make you a better player. That’s old school knucklehead football. You certainly assume a lot about people in your retort.
Honestly, if you were new at your job would you truly enjoy being yelled at by your supervisor?

Again, you assume sports is like the business world. The two are not at all equal. Call it old school all you want but I highly doubt, and i of course could be wrong, that the players are yelled at in practice every single day. This is made up by a ton of positive reinforcement. I kind if look it like the military as well. We were lucky if we were just yelled at, especially in bootcamp! 13 weeks on Parris Island wouldn't be the same without it! But when your life and the life of those around you depend on getting it right, you do all you can to make sure you get it right. The same basic principles apply to sports teams, they depend on each other for success. In business it is not at all this way. Even though there is a concept of a team, they are individuals working specific rolls to maximize the profit of a company.Often times, certain departments are left out purposefully to push something though causing those departments to be reactive instead of proactive. As a result, companies never truly maximize their potential. But getting that many people to work together across the globe is next to impossible so they do the best job they can. I rarely yell at my team because it is not conducive to building a team culture in an office environment. If I was a drill instructor or a sports coach, I would absolutely incorporate yelling into training. They need to instill that passion that you can only get from pride. They need to build that teamwork to wear everyone is working as one. All they mainly have is short term goals of completing each play successfully. Two very different worlds, two very different approaches.

 

[TheHaze315]

This fan base hated Dino for his laid back “wisdom” coaching style, and is now upset that Fran Brown’s staff has a different approach. If you want to change a culture, you set a standard and don’t accept anything less. it’s not as if it was one mistake, Ricky Collins has consistently thrown into double coverage, and I believe that was what Gattis was yelling about, I believe on the replay if I read his lips correctly, “it was 2 on 1”. How many times is trying to correct it gently and failing enough before someone gets on him like Gattis did? It’s not as if it happened after the first time Rickie did it.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

In front of all your coworkers?

Condolences on having a terrible job bro

It’s not like there is a private office or conference room on the sidelines

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Again, you assume sports is like the business world. The two are not at all equal. Call it old school all you want but I highly doubt, and i of course could be wrong, that the players are yelled at in practice every single day. This is made up by a ton of positive reinforcement. I kind if look it like the military as well. We were lucky if we were just yelled at, especially in bootcamp! 13 weeks on Parris Island wouldn't be the same without it! But when your life and the life of those around you depend on getting it right, you do all you can to make sure you get it right. The same basic principles apply to sports teams, they depend on each other for success. In business it is not at all this way. Even though there is a concept of a team, they are individuals working specific rolls to maximize the profit of a company.Often times, certain departments are left out purposefully to push something though causing those departments to be reactive instead of proactive. As a result, companies never truly maximize their potential. But getting that many people to work together across the globe is next to impossible so they do the best job they can. I rarely yell at my team because it is not conducive to building a team culture in an office environment. If I was a drill instructor or a sports coach, I would absolutely incorporate yelling into training. They need to instill that passion that you can only get from pride. They need to build that teamwork to wear everyone is working as one. All they mainly have is short term goals of completing each play successfully. Two very different worlds, two very different approaches.

Thanks for your service. One of the coldest places I have ever been was my son’s graduation from P.I. Arrived about 6:00 AM. It was September. It was absolutely freezing before the sun actually got up into the sky. We had not really packed for that.

 

[OburgOrange]

I read a post by SUDadx2 that alluded to a staff member being dismissed . See what happens

 

[Surfan06001]

It’s not like there is a private office or conference room on the sidelines

If only there was a “room” where the players could assemble away from the cameras inside the dome. Maybe in this “room” the players could keep things in secure metal cabinets. Let’s call them “lockers” if you will. Never mind, I’m talking crazy here.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

No inside information but I posted this in another thread that I'm convinced the staff knew Angeli was going to be available and that they had a good chance of landing him.

When? That cannot have been our plan last August through December. That is a huge risk. We needed to plan for a competent QB2 during last season, not in April.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This fan base hated Dino for his laid back “wisdom” coaching style, and is now upset that Fran Brown’s staff has a different approach. If you want to change a culture, you set a standard and don’t accept anything less. it’s not as if it was one mistake, Ricky Collins has consistently thrown into double coverage, and I believe that was what Gattis was yelling about, I believe on the replay if I read his lips correctly, “it was 2 on 1”. How many times is trying to correct it gently and failing enough before someone gets on him like Gattis did? It’s not as if it happened after the first time Rickie did it.

The play was a throw away. So it wasn't a bad pass or thrown into coverage. Out of all of his bad plays that game, this one was a minor one.

 

[2B20Again]

The "participation trophy" mentality gets nobody anywhere.

 

[OttosShoes]

Honestly, if you were new at your job would you truly enjoy being yelled at by your supervisor?

Fortunately my dayjob also doesn't entail 265lb feral edge rushers sprinting at me at 20mph intending to crush me into the turf.

Apples and oranges.

 

[2B20Again]

100%. Need to be responsible for mid steps.

 

[XC Cuse]

Being yelled at doesn’t make you a better player. That’s old school knucklehead football. You certainly assume a lot about people in your retort.
Honestly, if you were new at your job would you truly enjoy being yelled at by your supervisor?

Sometimes shame makes individuals work harder. No one likes being yelled at, but sometimes it is the impetus to look inward at your own failings.

 

[Ozone!]

Sometimes shame makes individuals work harder. No one likes being yelled at, but sometimes it is the impetus to look inward at your own failings.

Shaming someone is old school( building them
U and holding them accountable is the new way to create change!

 

[Ozone!]

Fortunately my dayjob also doesn't entail 265lb feral edge rushers sprinting at me at 20mph intending to crush me into the turf.

Apples and oranges.

I prefer Oranges I as appreciate your point of view!

 

[XC Cuse]

Shaming someone is old school( building them
U and holding them accountable is the new way to create change!

I'm in my 30s so far from old school. I just think philosophically sometimes individuals need a wake up call, and building up doesn't always work. I can think of a point in college when I was competing and not up to standards, and my coach told me to get my ass into the race. That lit a fire in me, because I wasn't performing.

 

[Ozone!]

Again, you assume sports is like the business world. The two are not at all equal. Call it old school all you want but I highly doubt, and i of course could be wrong, that the players are yelled at in practice every single day. This is made up by a ton of positive reinforcement. I kind if look it like the military as well. We were lucky if we were just yelled at, especially in bootcamp! 13 weeks on Parris Island wouldn't be the same without it! But when your life and the life of those around you depend on getting it right, you do all you can to make sure you get it right. The same basic principles apply to sports teams, they depend on each other for success. In business it is not at all this way. Even though there is a concept of a team, they are individuals working specific rolls to maximize the profit of a company.Often times, certain departments are left out purposefully to push something though causing those departments to be reactive instead of proactive. As a result, companies never truly maximize their potential. But getting that many people to work together across the globe is next to impossible so they do the best job they can. I rarely yell at my team because it is not conducive to building a team culture in an office environment. If I was a drill instructor or a sports coach, I would absolutely incorporate yelling into training. They need to instill that passion that you can only get from pride. They need to build that teamwork to wear everyone is working as one. All they mainly have is short term goals of completing each play successfully. Two very different worlds, two very different approaches.

You know nothing about what I assume, my statement has nothing to do with business.

Again, you assume sports is like the business world. The two are not at all equal. Call it old school all you want but I highly doubt, and i of course could be wrong, that the players are yelled at in practice every single day. This is made up by a ton of positive reinforcement. I kind if look it like the military as well. We were lucky if we were just yelled at, especially in bootcamp! 13 weeks on Parris Island wouldn't be the same without it! But when your life and the life of those around you depend on getting it right, you do all you can to make sure you get it right. The same basic principles apply to sports teams, they depend on each other for success. In business it is not at all this way. Even though there is a concept of a team, they are individuals working specific rolls to maximize the profit of a company.Often times, certain departments are left out purposefully to push something though causing those departments to be reactive instead of proactive. As a result, companies never truly maximize their potential. But getting that many people to work together across the globe is next to impossible so they do the best job they can. I rarely yell at my team because it is not conducive to building a team culture in an office environment. If I was a drill instructor or a sports coach, I would absolutely incorporate yelling into training. They need to instill that passion that you can only get from pride. They need to build that teamwork to wear everyone is working as one. All they mainly have is short term goals of completing each play successfully. Two very different worlds, two very different approaches.

You know nothing about what I assume .’Since you are using business references and you don’t yell at your team.!In the age of pay for play in college football: there are aspects of a business model that ought to be considered. HCFB gets this and is attempting to introduce the lifetime benefits of being Orange. In many cases this defeats the bag of money approach to recruiting and player retention.

 

[Ozone!]

I'm in my 30s so far from old school. I just think philosophically sometimes individuals need a wake up call, and building up doesn't always work. I can think of a point in college when I was competing and not up to standards, and my coach told me to get my ass into the race. That lit a fire in me, because I wasn't performing.

You are right; it needed to be paired with holding players accountable. The players who are most aligned with DART will eventually become the core of HCFB’s team. He’s building a program!

 

[Ozone!]

I'm in my 30s so far from old school. I just think philosophically sometimes individuals need a wake up call, and building up doesn't always work. I can think of a point in college when I was competing and not up to standards, and my coach told me to get my ass into the race. That lit a fire in me, because I wasn't performing.

Old school has nothing to do with age; it’s about attitude!