Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[RF2044]

If picking the right coach was all about number crunching there could be no arguments and no assistant without a head coach record could be hired as a head coach.It’s about more than that. And no statistical comparison is all that valid with the sample size in GMacs head coaching career.

It's not ALL about number crunching, but let's not be naiive -- you are what the numbers say you are.

And we're coming off of a multi-year stretch where the program's performance isn't just taking on water, we're about to sink and capsize.

Every team we play of quality beats us by double digits -- and last time I checked, score was also about numbers.

So do the metrics paint the full picture? No, but when one team is at the top of the national rankings in a bunch of important statistical categories, and the other is not, and one head coach is associated with a mentor that has his teams in the top 10 every year, and the other is associated with a head coach who oversaw a period of significant program decline -- yes, the numbers matter. And should be considered.

Last time, the powers that be emphasized a largely irrelevant factor [ties to the program] over more important criteria, and allowed dysfunctional political nonsense to influence the choice of hire.

We need to be smarter this time.

 

[PoppyHart]

Good call, Fran did allright at Iowa. Made some tourneys.

This is apples to doughnuts, however.

1. McCaffrey was a coach at Lehigh (3 yrs.) and UNCG (6) prior to Siena.
2 He coached Siena for 5 years before moving on
3. The MAAC was a much stronger conference back then. Siena was a 9-seed one year.
4. Fran won THREE conference titles in a row before leaving.
5. Fran won 2 NCAAT games, in different seasons.

 

[powdersmack]

Winning is the bottom line.

Hodgson 68-36 .654
GMac 37-29 .561

Glad to see you've finally seen the light.

 

[phil77]

Hodgson 68-36 .654
GMac 37-29 .561

Glad to see you've finally seen the light.

But GMac gets extra wins because of feelings

 

[CooperCuse]

Of course you don't care, because the data does not support your position.

And everything you state above about Gerry is also true of Hodgson, but to a greater degree.

So, I see why you'd prefer to focus on subjective opinions instead of objective measures.

This is basketball, not widget making. There are no objective measures that guarantee success. Supposed sure-fire coaches flame out all the time. You want success? Hire a good motivational leader with some Xs and Os skills and put some money behind him. That might be Hodgson, it might be Gerry, who knows. As a Syracuse fan, I want Gerry as coach.

 

[RF2044]

This is basketball, not widget making. There are no objective measures that guarantee success. Supposed sure-fire coaches flame out all the time. You want success? Hire a good motivational leader with some Xs and Os skills and put some money behind him. That might be Hodgson, it might Gerry, who knows. As a Syracuse fan, I want Gerry as coach.

I commend you on the old school mentality.

Not sure that it applies in modern college basketball.

I'm an old schooler, as well, but the game has evolved. Read that article, our program needs to modernize.

 

[Cappy3]

Don't care, I'm not a bean counter. Gerry wins. As a player, now as a coach. Winning is the bottom line.

Well, if 14-18 is winning, so does Red.

 

[Cusefan95]

What was he asked? Why did this even come up?
Did anyone here listen to the interview?

Don’t care what was asked, don’t need to listen to form my opinion. Because even if the question was a sledgehammer “Do you think Gerry will get bigger offers this offseason”? - the correct answer would be “I don’t know, I was never in the business of hiring coach because I was too busy being one. But Gerry’s a great coach, I expect he’ll have continued success and will get bigger opportunities - if not this year then soon”.

I realize there is absolutely no way JB would ever take that approach. But that’s why I would be thrilled if he would just stop giving interviews.

 

[Starman]

I can see that argument but I don’t think that at all. I think there is a clear pecking order of experience here and gmac is probably #3 or 4. Gmac has a done a good job at Siena, but Siena is not at the same level at St Louis or USF. Hypothetical question if BH wins the American conference tournament and goes to the NCAA would that make
Him more qualified? He will have won the conference regular season and the tournament.

I alluded to it on (maybe) another thread, but even if BH loses his conference tournament, winning the regular season makes him more qualified. Plus it's in a more difficult conference.

 

[23Zone]

On the bright side at least there has not been a lot of chatter about Hopkins getting the gig lol

 

[phil77]

I alluded to it on (maybe) another thread, but even if BH loses his conference tournament, winning the regular season makes him more qualified. Plus it's in a more difficult conference.

Correct winning a random game in March doesn't trump someone's entire body of work.

 

[CooperCuse]

I can see that argument but I don’t think that at all. I think there is a clear pecking order of experience here and gmac is probably #3 or 4. Gmac has a done a good job at Siena, but Siena is not at the same level at St Louis or USF. Hypothetical question if BH wins the American conference tournament and goes to the NCAA would that make
Him more qualified? He will have won the conference regular season and the tournament.

I'm not virulently opposed to this Hodgson dude. He's an Upstate New Yorker, so I assume he has at least some affinity for the Orange. He's had success at the assistant coach level, as a recruiter, and as a head coach. All things being relatively equal and unpredictable, if I had my druthers, Gerry would be the next head coach. He's done nothing but win, from high school, as a college player, and now as a head coach.

 

[Fly Rodder]

On the bright side at least there has not been a lot of chatter about Hopkins getting the gig lol

Yeah, *puts on tinfoil hat* that was the stalking horse for Gerry from the people who put us in this situation of being irrelevant for a decade. Hey about instead of an outsider or Hopkins ... we compromise on Gerry? Please?

 

[PoppyHart]

Well, since I started this thread, I guess I should put in my two cents. I am good with either Gerry or Hodgkin. They both bring different strengths. I am not of the opinion that Gerry is fruit from the poisoned tree. That is not his fault. Duke took a chance on Scheyer and Scheyer has been a great coach. He will be at Duke for life. Many Duke fans were rather sick of K by the end, believe it or not. But legacy is important to Duke. If Gerry is successful, he will be here for life.

Hodgkin would be a great hire, but there are no guarantees with him, either. Gerry and Hodgkin are around the same age. Someone made the point that Hodgkin seems to run a more dynamic offense. That is appealing but perhaps Hodgkin has the players to do that. Gerry works with what he has.

The money and NIL make it all the more complicated, and I have no wisdom or insight about that except that I HATE it. Does Gerry even want this job? I am sure he understands the pressure he would be under.

There are no guarantees in life.

The “good” Hodgkin or the “bad” one.

j/k

 

[23Zone]

I'm not virulently opposed to this Hodgson dude. He's an Upstate New Yorker, so i assume he has at least some affinity for the Orange. He's had success at the assistant coach level, as a recruiter, and as a head coach. All things being relatively equal and unpredictable, if I had my druthers, Gerry would be the next head coach. He's done nothing but win, from high school, as a college player, and now as a head coach.

Virulence. Great word. Resonates with the inner microbiologist latent in me lol

 

[swish7]

 

[benjams77]

I alluded to it on (maybe) another thread, but even if BH loses his conference tournament, winning the regular season makes him more qualified. Plus it's in a more difficult conference.

The conference has a better profile yes but it is less competitive .. The teams in AAC are way down.. He won and that counts but let’s not act like this is last years AAC with good memphis and top teams

 

[Irishsecra1]

Unless he lied about Gerry getting calls from BC and GT, I dont understand what is wrong with him saying it.

 

[xc84]

I commend you on the old school mentality.

Not sure that it applies in modern college basketball.

I'm an old schooler, as well, but the game has evolved. Read that article, our program needs to modernize.

He won 23 games this year and is in the tournament. That’s winning

 

[sufan59]

 

[phil77]

He won 23 games this year and is in the tournament. That’s winning

His first year was that losing then?

 

[PoppyHart]

I dont want him to go to Georgia Tech, dont know how I feel about BC.
Kind of funny that so many think hiring GMAC is beneath us but BC and Georgia Tech don't.
Same conference.
BC does have a basketball history though.
Would be a challenge.

The implication from this post is that you think BC’s basketball history > GIT’s.

It’s not.

 

[Starman]

The conference has a better profile yes but it is less competitive .. The teams in AAC are way down.. He won and that counts but let’s not act like this is last years AAC with good memphis and top teams

According to Barttorvik, the AAC is the 10th best conference this year, while the MAAC is the 25th. If somebody has access to the Kenpom numbers, I'd be more in those results.

 

[Irishsecra1]

If I recall, BC was very good in the Big East and then started to implode a few years after they joined the ACC.
Kind of like Siena imploded once Fran left.

I just dont want him to go down to Georgia and Georgia Tech.

 

[xc84]

His first year was that losing then?

This is dumb. He has done great given the hand dealt. Neither has been a HC long enough to use stats to show that he is a great HC. It is a crapshoot either way.