Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach

[oldpinepoint]

Gmac is far from my first choice, but would be better than Hopkins. Do I think he would do better than Red? Yes, however I really think SU needs to get away from the JB coaching tree. His style doesn’t move the needle for me at all. We will see what happens over the next few weeks

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The 189th ranked team in the country beat the 172nd ranked team.

Being an Uber driver who can find his way to the airport doesn't quite qualify you to race an F1 car.

 

[Irishsecra1]

The MAC was awful. Siena has the best nil in the league and Gerry has had one winning season. He’s not qualified

Just out of curiosity, what was Sienas NIL this year?
What did some other teams in the MAAC have?

How did it compare to SU’s NIL that Red flushed down the toilet?
What was BH’s NIL?

I have no clue what kind of NIL Gerry had, I only know AW paid Doty’s NIL.

 

[Brooky03]

Let’s not forget - BH has only been a head coach 3 years, one year more than Gerry.
He took over 2 13 win teams, one just 2 wins removed from a 25 win season.
He is still to make it to a NCAAT. Arkansas State made it to the NIT.
He is a very good coach and would be a nice hire, I have no doubt.

Gerry took over a 4 win program that had finished last in their conference
He took over a team that was a dumpster fire, incredibly broken.
In 2 years, he has taken them to the NCAAT for the first time since 2010.

NET is frankly not relevant to this discussion as it highly measures QUAD 1 and QUAD 2 wins.
By virtue of who a MAAC team plays, they theoretically can’t have as high a NET, no matter how good they may be.

And you know, I value tournament wins more than regular season championships.
Vintage Boeheim understood that and did well in the year end conference tournaments and the NCAAT.

Gerry’s teams defend. And defense more than anything wins championships and always keeps you in the hunt.
As of March 1, SIENA was 24th in the country for scoring defense at 66.5 points allowed,
And they allowed an average of 61 points in the tournament.
South Florida ranks 252nd in scoring defense at 76.5
His last Arkansas State teams allowed 77,2 points a game.
He has in no way, shape or form a defensive mind.

Again, I have no problem at all if the decision is to hire BH for SU

But to pretend he is head and shoulders above Gerry is flat out ridiculous.

They have both proven they can take what they have and maximize that talent.
BH focuses more on offense, Gerry more on defense.
They both truly connect with their players.
They both instill a winning attitude in their players.

Gerry did everything Siena could have hoped for in 2 years, and with only 7 scholarship players the last few weeks.

So promote BH all you want but let’s not run down Gerry’s accomplishments to do it.
I will say this though - the casual fan will buy into Gerry taking over the program more than BH.
They love Gerry and he just took his team to the NCAAT. SU has not been there in 5 years.
They don’t know who the hell BH is or Arkansas State or South Florida.
That is the plain truth.

This is where I’m at. Again, I’m okay with hiring either, but Hodgson has barely proven himself more than Gerry, if at all. Both have shown they have what it takes to coach D1 ball. Hodgson has taken losers and made them winners. Gerry did that, too. Anybody trying to make the difference between their on court success seem stark, is not looking at it objectively.

I put no merit in the ‘change for the sake of change’ arguments. If Hodgson is tangibly better at the off-court stuff, give him the job. But he definitely should not get bonus points because he’s perceived as new and different relative to Gerry.

 

[su4life25]

The defensive performance alone last night gets my orange blood boiling babyyy.. Bring the pride of Scranton home

 

[Marsh01]

super happy for him. Will be rooting for Siena moving forward

Hell no on hiring him. You can't whiff again with this hire and there are better options

 

[CooperCuse]

Really, really happy for Gerry.

But let’s move outside the JB shrub.

I don’t understand why so many of you want to disassociate the basketball program from Jim Boeheim. Many programs hire legacy coaches and are quite successful doing it. One of the greatest coaches in college basketball history but his last few years here have made too many people salty. Gerry is a winner, a Syracuse legend, and now, a pretty good conference champion coach. But, no, let’s hire an unproven guy they call Baby Shark that has zero connection to Syracuse. Baby Shark. It’s absurd. Make it make sense outside of holding petty grudges. As a fanbase, the entitled behavior is ridiculous.

 

[whobut03]

Curious what everyone would be saying if the game went the other way. Thank god 95% of this board isn't making the decision.

 

[JrodCuse]

Haaaaaaaaaaard pass in Gmac. We can NOT do anything but hire a proven coach. And as much of a cool story as it would be to hire Gmac, he is not proven yet. If this was 3 years down the line and he had a longer track record of success then yes 100%.

Take the combination of best coach available and most proven to ensure we don’t suffer through more apathy.

If Gmac truly is this great coach that everyone here is saying he is (based on TWO seasons of being a HC at a very low level team/conference) then he’ll make his way to us down the line.

But give me a guy like Hodgson all day right now. Hes a safer hire and based on career achievements, a better coach at this point in time.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Curious what everyone would be saying if the game went the other way. Thank god 95% of this board isn't making the decision.

Hopefully 100% of this board is not making the decision.

 

[jncuse]

Let’s not forget - BH has only been a head coach 3 years, one year more than Gerry.
He took over 2 13 win teams, one just 2 wins removed from a 25 win season.
He is still to make it to a NCAAT. Arkansas State made it to the NIT.
He is a very good coach and would be a nice hire, I have no doubt.

Gerry took over a 4 win program that had finished last in their conference
He took over a team that was a dumpster fire, incredibly broken.
In 2 years, he has taken them to the NCAAT for the first time since 2010.

NET is frankly not relevant to this discussion as it highly measures QUAD 1 and QUAD 2 wins.
By virtue of who a MAAC team plays, they theoretically can’t have as high a NET, no matter how good they may be.

And you know, I value tournament wins more than regular season championships.
Vintage Boeheim understood that and did well in the year end conference tournaments and the NCAAT.

Gerry’s teams defend. And defense more than anything wins championships and always keeps you in the hunt.
As of March 1, SIENA was 24th in the country for scoring defense at 66.5 points allowed,
And they allowed an average of 61 points in the tournament.
South Florida ranks 252nd in scoring defense at 76.5
His last Arkansas State teams allowed 77,2 points a game.
He has in no way, shape or form a defensive mind.

Again, I have no problem at all if the decision is to hire BH for SU

But to pretend he is head and shoulders above Gerry is flat out ridiculous.

They have both proven they can take what they have and maximize that talent.
BH focuses more on offense, Gerry more on defense.
They both truly connect with their players.
They both instill a winning attitude in their players.

Gerry did everything Siena could have hoped for in 2 years, and with only 7 scholarship players the last few weeks.

So promote BH all you want but let’s not run down Gerry’s accomplishments to do it.
I will say this though - the casual fan will buy into Gerry taking over the program more than BH.
They love Gerry and he just took his team to the NCAAT. SU has not been there in 5 years.
They don’t know who the hell BH is or Arkansas State or South Florida.
That is the plain truth.

South Florida's defensive efficiency is actually better than its offensive efficiency.

You are essentially using tempo to evaluate the quality of one's defensive plan / execution. Which is of course flawed.

 

[LAorange44]

Hey guys. Baby Shark Hodgson’s extra year at Southern Arkansas State international intergalactic university for the blind is a real resume differentiator. Get off your GMAC high horses. Siena is a nobody and a fake basketball program in a fake conference!

 

[Widget24]

The 189th ranked team in the country beat the 172nd ranked team.

Being an Uber driver who can find his way to the airport doesn't quite qualify you to race an F1 car.

 

[gilardino]

I love G mac, but this is not the right hire

 

[Cusefan95]

This is where I’m at. Again, I’m okay with hiring either, but Hodgson has barely proven himself more than Gerry, if at all. Both have shown they have what it takes to coach D1 ball. Hodgson has taken losers and made them winners. Gerry did that, too. Anybody trying to make the difference between their on court success seem stark, is not looking at it objectively.

I put no merit in the ‘change for the sake of change’ arguments. If Hodgson is tangibly better at the off-court stuff, give him the job. But he definitely should not get bonus points because he’s perceived as new and different relative to Gerry.

How about “change for the sake of repairing the totally dysfunctional culture at Syracuse”?

Because to me, that’s the issue. Things got so bad Kent and JW were taking subtle shots at each other in their press releases about Lyke. JB was a huge driver of the dysfunction for a decade. Gerry was on his staff. Bringing Gerry back guarantees that all the old rivalries and squabbles within the administration are going to remain active - we can hire a new AD and new chancellor , but they still have staff that have been here and contributed to the dysfunction. And that has nothing to do with Gerry personally, and there’s nothing he could do to overcome that. He’s going to get dragging into the muck just because he had history with the people involved.

Syracuse absolutely needs a clean break, and saying it’s “change for change sake” is just choosing to live in denial about the issues at the school.

 

[DilemaCuse]

No, Gerry is a cute story.
Hodgson is ready for big boy ball.

Time to go outside the family this round. Saves Gerry from getting his hire questioned immediately from the jump and feeling the pressure from the fanbase that Autry could not survive.

We massively need new eyes and perspective from an outsider

 

[MSOrange]

I don’t understand why so many of you want to disassociate the basketball program from Jim Boeheim. Many programs hire legacy coaches and are quite successful doing it. One of the greatest coaches in college basketball history but his last few years here have made too many people salty. Gerry is a winner, a Syracuse legend, and now, a pretty good conference champion coach. But, no, let’s hire an unproven guy they call Baby Shark that has zero connection to Syracuse. Baby Shark. It’s absurd. Make it make sense outside of holding petty grudges. As a fanbase, the entitled behavior is ridiculous.

Why is Hodgson more unproven than Gerry? Based on a conference tournament? Based on how your assessment of JB's last years and how you have already said you would have let him retire on his own terms, it's obvious you don't have the emotional maturity to make adult decisions.

 

[Forza Azzurri]

Haaaaaaaaaaard pass in Gmac. We can NOT do anything but hire a proven coach. And as much of a cool story as it would be to hire Gmac, he is not proven yet. If this was 3 years down the line and he had a longer track record of success then yes 100%.

Take the combination of best coach available and most proven to ensure we don’t suffer through more apathy.

If Gmac truly is this great coach that everyone here is saying he is (based on TWO seasons of being a HC at a very low level team/conference) then he’ll make his way to us down the line.

But give me a guy like Hodgson all day right now. Hes a safer hire and based on career achievements, a better coach at this point in time.

Do you want a proven coach or do you want Hodgson?

Hodgson is in his third season - all at the mid-major level.

GMAC is in his second season at the mid-major level.

So, if you are going to argue that that one additional season makes Hodgson a proven commodity or even a safer hire, I am going to disagree with that assertion.

Hiring Hodgson is just as much of a risk as hiring GMAC.

 

[LAorange44]

No, Gerry is a cute story.
Hodgson is ready for big boy ball.

Time to go outside the family this round. Saves Gerry from getting his questioned immediately from the jump and feeling the pressure from the fanbase that Autry could not survive.

We massively need new eyes and perspective from an outsider

Do we need new eyes from an outsider???? If we agree that we had tourney level talent and NIL in the top half, wasn’t the problem coaching and execution, not systemic flaws? Seems like Gerry would thrive in a program with tourney level talent. He out performed his peers with similar levels of NIL to his own. He has made the dance as a coach — and cut down to nets as a player — unlike other candidates under consideration.

 

[Cusefan0307]

This is where I’m at. Again, I’m okay with hiring either, but Hodgson has barely proven himself more than Gerry, if at all. Both have shown they have what it takes to coach D1 ball. Hodgson has taken losers and made them winners. Gerry did that, too. Anybody trying to make the difference between their on court success seem stark, is not looking at it objectively.

I put no merit in the ‘change for the sake of change’ arguments. If Hodgson is tangibly better at the off-court stuff, give him the job. But he definitely should not get bonus points because he’s perceived as new and different relative to Gerry.

I’d like to see Gerry’s value of analytics and recruitment of more players before you compare the two. The fact that you can’t see Hodgson is clearly a better candidate doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[Cusefan95]

I don’t understand why so many of you want to disassociate the basketball program from Jim Boeheim. Many programs hire legacy coaches and are quite successful doing it. One of the greatest coaches in college basketball history but his last few years here have made too many people salty. Gerry is a winner, a Syracuse legend, and now, a pretty good conference champion coach. But, no, let’s hire an unproven guy they call Baby Shark that has zero connection to Syracuse. Baby Shark. It’s absurd. Make it make sense outside of holding petty grudges. As a fanbase, the entitled behavior is ridiculous.

It’s because Boeheim chose to leverage his ties to the university to stay on way too long, became a cancer creating dysfunction at the university, and was only finally reined in when he embarrassed his sycophants on the board by asserting he was going to stay coach as long as he wanted (like the board had no say in the matter).

If JB had any class, dignity, and actual respect for the university like *gasp* Coach K did at Duke - I’d be ok with hiring someone with ties to him. Instead he’s a bitter old man who decided it was his God given right to run the Syracuse basketball program into a ditch. He deserves a ton of respect for what he built, a ton of contempt for how he destroyed it at the end - and a break from him is badly needed.

 

[kingtidge]

Do you want a proven coach or do you want Hodgson?

Hodgson is in his third season - all at the mid-major level.

GMAC is in his second season at the mid-major level.

So, if you are going to argue that that one additional season makes Hodgson a proven commodity or even a safer hire, I am going to disagree with that assertion.

Hiring Hodgson is just as much of a risk as hiring GMAC.

Who was the last MAAC coach that jumped directly to a P4 job and did well?

Does that even happen?

 

[Brooky03]

How about “change for the sake of repairing the totally dysfunctional culture at Syracuse”?

Because to me, that’s the issue. Things got so bad Kent and JW were taking subtle shots at each other in their press releases about Lyke. JB was a huge driver of the dysfunction for a decade. Gerry was on his staff. Bringing Gerry back guarantees that all the old rivalries and squabbles within the administration are going to remain active - we can hire a new AD and new chancellor , but they still have staff that have been here and contributed to the dysfunction. And that has nothing to do with Gerry personally, and there’s nothing he could do to overcome that. He’s going to get dragging into the muck just because he had history with the people involved.

Syracuse absolutely needs a clean break, and saying it’s “change for change sake” is just choosing to live in denial about the issues at the school.

This is exactly the stuff that I don’t put stock in. The ‘culture’ anywhere is the people working there. The Chancellor is new, the AD is new, and the coaching staff will be new. Gerry was not a guy who anybody had beef with, so him being the one carryover doesn’t do the things you’re saying it does.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Why is Hodgson more unproven than Gerry? Based on a conference tournament? Based on how your assessment of JB's last years and how you have already said you would have let him retire on his own terms, it's obvious you don't have the emotional maturity to make adult decisions.

Yea I don’t get it, IMO Gmac is exactly where BH was last year. Stop trying to compare Siena and USF like they are equal programs

 

[MSOrange]

Do you want a proven coach or do you want Hodgson?

Hodgson is in his third season - all at the mid-major level.

GMAC is in his second season at the mid-major level.

So, if you are going to argue that that one additional season makes Hodgson a proven commodity or even a safer hire, I am going to disagree with that assertion.

Hiring Hodgson is just as much of a risk as hiring GMAC.

Not all mid-major conferences are made equally Forza. American is rated quite a bit higher than the MAAC.