Get Hodgson, Get Melo on Board

[DilemaCuse]

Scibilia is wildly under qualified for his gig on air. Everything out of his mouth should be disregarded

Agreed he's a radio producer or manager. Not a sports personality.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Which is why we want Melo on board. He will help to increase that budget significantly. Question is: Can we keep Melo on board if Red gets fired?

Why would Melo want to keep Red?

And can Hodgson actually coach? No more flyers.

 

[Cusefan0307]

They tried to get Leffew for $400k and he wound up getting $600k. Hepburn got $750k. Richmond got around $1 million. Roach got as much as $1.5 million.

So the answer to your question is no one.

They were the only 5 players in the portal last year?

 

[Fly Rodder]

There were only 5 players in the portal last year?

He’ll latch onto to whatever excuse possible to defend the status quo as the only path available.

And this Team Melo nonsense about them footing the NIL money needs to go. What happens after Kiyan leaves? It dries up? Why not pay for this season at least for a couple of players with more than a year remaining so there is senior leadership and experience?

The seat is getting very warm for Red. And it’s not just SU fans saying he’s in trouble.

 

[kcsu]

Oh, brother. I actually did not know assistants have contracts with buy out provisions. I guess I just assumed they were just ‘employees’ and their time/tenure was determined by the HC. Still, though, how is that $20M?

The money isn't for Red. It's for the NCAA settlement.

 

[SmilinBob]

The money isn't for Red. It's for the NCAA settlement.

I don't understand KC, what settlement is this?

 

[MSOrange]

Which is why we want Melo on board. He will help to increase that budget significantly. Question is: Can we keep Melo on board if Red gets fired?

There has been no indication that we can't other than the voices in kcsu's head

 

[Sherman20]

The money isn't for Red. It's for the NCAA settlement.

The NCAA settlement money will be paid every year (what do we do when Kiyan leaves?) and will come out of the university coffers.

 

[kingtidge]

The NCAA settlement money will be paid every year (what do we do when Kiyan leaves?) and will come out of the university coffers.

I think the implication is that right now, given the settlement requirement on schools, there's simply not enough money currently to fund both programs (football and basketball) adequately. Also, some creative funding strategies need to be developed for the longterm because we're not ready for it.)

Some here have said basketball is getting the short straw right now as a result and that we can't afford to fire and hire a new coach currently, given the financial crunch of the school having to fund the $20mil.

Have no idea if true but I wouldn't be surprised if that is reality, sadly.

Between a rock and hard place and we will not have seen rock bottom yet if so.

The attendances and season tix renewals may really flatline if "stay the course" is the only option.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Our NIL budget is only $2.5 million. Louisville’s NIL budget for football and basketball is $20 million.

Let me get this straight. The AD conceded to JB and his boosters by hiring Red to prevent burning bridges and losing NIL sources. And $2.5M is what we wind up with? What are we clinging to?

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think the implication is that right now, given the settlement requirement on schools, there's simply not enough money currently to fund both programs (football and basketball) adequately. Also, some creative funding strategies need to be developed for the longterm because we're not ready for it.

Some here have said basketball is getting the short straw right now as a result and that we can't afford to fire and hire a new coach currently, given the financial crunch of the school having to start guaranteeing $20mil in NIL next year.

Have no idea if true but I wouldn't be surprised if that is reality, sadly.

Between a rock and hard place and we will not have seen rock bottom yet if so.

The attendances and season tix renewals may really flatline.

It's not NIL. It's pay for play. I was told the school actually prefers this model more. At least the AD. I'm not sure where some of the hemming and hawing is coming from honestly.

 

[Sbucketball]

The NIL excuses are insane.

Yes, we need a bigger NIL budget.

Yes, the coaching of this teams absolutely sucks.

Yes, this team is dramatically underperforming.

Some people are using NIL as a scapegoat, and they're wrong. The coaching is horrible and even with more NIL we would suck, and that's the bigger short-term issue that needs to be fixed now.

But NIL is still a huge long-term issue for us. Eventually we'll get a good coach, but with 2 - 2.5m of booster money and underfunding from the 20m he'll have one hand tied behind his back. Or, worse, we won't be able to attract many good coaching candidates because they'll think they can't win with that amount of money.

I hope SU is working on both of these issues simultaneously. They are so reactive and behind on things, they can't wait to fix the NIL until after they get a new coach.

 

[kingtidge]

It's not NIL. It's pay for play. I was told the school actually prefers this model more. At least the AD. I'm not sure where some of the hemming and hawing is coming from honestly.

Well, as stated, some are saying we simply do not have enough money to spread around to fund both programs at adequate levels currently.

Liking the pay-for-play direction going forward vs. being ready to fund that direction adequately on day 1 are two different things.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Some people are using NIL as a scapegoat, and they're wrong. The coaching is horrible and even with more NIL we would suck, and that's the bigger short-term issue that needs to be fixed now.

But NIL is still a huge long-term issue for us. Eventually we'll get a good coach, but with 2 - 2.5m of booster money and underfunding from the 20m he'll have one hand tied behind his back. Or, worse, we won't be able to attract many good coaching candidates because they'll think they can't win with that amount of money.

I hope SU is working on both of these issues simultaneously. They are so reactive and behind on things, they can't wait to fix the NIL until after they get a new coach.

Who says we are underfunding the 20 million?

 

[kingtidge]

Who says we are underfunding the 20 million?

I haven't see anyone say we can't fund the $20 mil.

What some have said is once we do fund the $20 mil, that we don't have enough money to buyout our current basketball coach and hire a new one.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Who says we are underfunding the 20 million?

There's a lot of smoke from people saying that there's no money on the hill. There are also people saying it's not an issue. I don't know. There's just not a lot of actual information out there and the team sucks. People are looking for reasons that it's an insurmountable institutional problem and not one of personnel.

 

[PhatOrange]

They tried to get Leffew for $400k and he wound up getting $600k. Hepburn got $750k. Richmond got around $1 million. Roach got as much as $1.5 million.

So the answer to your question is no one.

Where do you come up with all these numbers and how do you know what the Syracuse budget is? Maybe the player numbers are known but it's crazy how people throw around non public NIL numbers and pass it off as fact.

 

[Cusefan0307]

There's a lot of smoke from people saying that there's no money on the hill. There are also people saying it's not an issue. I don't know. There's just not a lot of actual information out there and the team sucks. People are looking for reasons that it's an insurmountable institutional problem and not one of personnel.

The schools been preparing for this. I'm not a Kent fan, but he is one of the leaders in creating this model. Funding this and taking busses to NYC to games are two separate issues.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The NIL excuses are insane.

Yes, we need a bigger NIL budget.

Yes, the coaching of this teams absolutely sucks.

Yes, this team is dramatically underperforming.

Drake is 14-2 with D2 players in their rotation. They've beat more Power teams than us. We have a lot better NIL situation than Virginia Tech yet we have the same record. At some point people just want to make excuses.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Where do you come up with all these numbers and how do you know what the Syracuse budget is? Maybe the player numbers are known but it's crazy how people throw around non public NIL numbers and pass it off as fact.

He's taking 247 numbers as gospel.

 

[Sbucketball]

Who says we are underfunding the 20 million?

I don't know the allocation, but a few people indicated basketball might not get as much as I would hope. SU is concerned with football due to conference realignment. Also, compare to basketball schools that don't have to fund football, and consider you still have the problem that boosters pay on top and our booster money is not great. Also, what is SU's take on how Title IX affects the allocation of that money -- and does it have a different opinion as some SEC schools? SU has been conservative on things like that. I don't think this 20m thing is going to cure our problem with the mbb program.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Where do you come up with all these numbers and how do you know what the Syracuse budget is? Maybe the player numbers are known but it's crazy how people throw around non public NIL numbers and pass it off as fact.

Day2 has his agenda to defend the staff and Red against any implication that they may not be good enough to bring SU back. No idea why, and while the number of staunch supporters is dwindling, the zealots are entrenching themselves in any excuse that SU can't compete in this new college basketball environment and we all should shut up and clap harder.

 

[kingtidge]

The schools been preparing for this. I'm not a Kent fan, but he is one of the leaders in creating this model. Funding this and taking busses to NYC to games are two separate issues.

That's the crux of the question.

Are we struggling to prepare for this financially or are we actually fully-prepared? (have the money we need?)

To be clear, I certainly have no inside info... just read enough other posts recently that insinuate a problem - more smoke/chatter.

Time will tell, as always.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I don't know the allocation, but a few people indicated basketball might not get as much as I would hope. SU is concerned with football due to conference realignment. Also, compare to basketball schools that don't have to fund football, and consider you still have the problem that boosters pay on top and our booster money is not great. Also, what is SU's take on how Title IX affects the allocation of that money -- and does it have a different opinion as some SEC schools? SU has been conservative on things like that. I don't think this 20m thing is going to cure our problem with the mbb program.

Yep. Money is the reason it took us 3 overtimes to be Youngstown State and overpay for Lampkin.

 

[pwong]

Where do you come up with all these numbers and how do you know what the Syracuse budget is? Maybe the player numbers are known but it's crazy how people throw around non public NIL numbers and pass it off as fact.

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