Get Hodgson, Get Melo on Board

[phil77]

Fran knew McCord when he was 12. Hardly a good example. I agree that Autry has to do speaking engagements to help things but it better not be his or any head coach’s ” primary” job.

What does Fran knowing McCord since he was 12 have to do with raising money to get him here? It is one thing to know him but it is another thing to get him a NIL package that is at least competitive with the market so he doesn't have the chance to say no. It is widely rumored that if McCord came back Red had lined up an NIL package of 2-3 million. So Fran was able to get as much money as our entire basketball budget for 1 player? That tells me the money is out there have to hustle to get it.

 

[Scooch]

Fran knew McCord when he was 12. Hardly a good example. I agree that Autry has to do speaking engagements to help things but it better not be his or any head coach’s ” primary” job.

Believe what you want man. If a HC can’t secure NIL he can’t win. Period.

 

[djcon57]

Lots of circular arguments here

Thinking about NIL and coaching, does anyone believe Red has us “punching above our weight?” One could have made that argument last year, but this year our record is worse than both talent level and NIL bang for the buck

agreed.

if we were competitive in most games and won vs like Texas and only got boatraced by the Tenn/Duke types and we end up on the other side of the bubble…then you MAYBE can go, hey, we did they best we could with the NIL situation we have.

the idea the current level of the product is due to NIL is absurd.

 

[Dcuse]

What does Fran know McCord since he was 12 have to do with raising money to get him here? It is one thing to know him but it is another thing to get him a NIL package that is at least competitive with the market so he doesn't have the chance to say now. It is widely rumored that if McCord came back Red had lined up an NIL package of 2-3 million. So Fran was able to get as much money as our entire basketball budget for 1 player? That tells me the money is out there have to hustle to get it.

Really? You don’t think the relationship had something to do with him playing at Syracuse over a higher bidder?

 

[phil77]

Really? You don’t think the relationship had something to do with him playing at Syracuse over a higher bidder?

If we offered 0 and someone else offered 1.5 mil then I don't think he would have came to Syracuse

 

[McCuse]

Kelsey year 1 just showed us what ripping off the band aid and hiring the right coach means.

I hope JW has the leadership and funds to do it...

Go out and get Hodgson and get Melo on board with it. I sure hope the wheels are turning on the DL.

Do the job, John Wildhack.

Red will always be a Cuse legend which is why this really sucks, but he's assembled a group of misfits and he's out of his depth trying to coach them. The offense is poor, the turnover bug returned, and it's clear we whiffed in the portal.

But the greatest concern is we look completely incapable of playing any semblance of defense against better teams and the effort being put forth is very suspect. I believe the term is "mailing it in". That cannot stand. 100% unacceptable.

This can't be run back unless the powers that be are more than ready to accept more of the same (which I fear they may be.) Hope that is an unwarranted fear.

It's weird being a long-time fan and watching the game on TV. I can't even get upset anymore rooting for them. It's a feeling of indifference? Like I'm watching a different college basketball team, but it's Syracuse? What the heck has happened? Very sad day for Cause basketball fans.

 

[kingtidge]

Well then drop some non-revenue sports.
It's not like they haven't done it before.
Remember what a great wrestling program SU used to have?

I am a former wrestler and that is a hot button issue for me...

Imagine having a great legacy coach in Mills who was essentially a pinnacle wrestler and a Magic Johnson or Walter Payton of the sport per se... and Jake calls you into his office that stinks like an ashtray and tells you you're cut loose and the program is axed. Title IX... tough luck... and such...

I mean, EVERY modified and highschool wrestling team nationwide worth spit is coached on the the Mills' Half Nelson series to this day.

The guy was and IS literally a legend... and Jake just kicked him to the curb like yesterday's trash.

OK wrestling rant over.

P.S. Rutgers is really good at wrestling now.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I am a former wrestler and that is a hot button issue for me...

Imagine having a great legacy coach in Mills who was essentially a pinnacle wrestler and a Magic Johnson or Walter Payton of the sport per se... and Jake calls you into his office that stinks like an ashtray and tells you you're cut loose and they program is axed... Title IX and tough luck and such...

I mean, EVERY modified and highschool wrestling team worth spit nationwide is coached on the the Mills' Half Nelson series to this day... The guy was and is literally a legend they just kicked to the curb like yesterday's trash.

OK wrestling rant over...

Yeah, I grew up here in CNY, and remember Mills and so many others. I mean, Fulton, B'ville, some of the high school programs were so dominant, too.

 

[McCuse]

We bought Lampkin. We could have got 2 better players for the cost of him.

And we had to pay him again when he hid out in Texas to get him back to Syracuse. Bust.

 

[sweetpea]

It's weird being a long-time fan and watching the game on TV. I can't even get upset anymore rooting for them. It's a feeling of indifference? Like I'm watching a different college basketball team, but it's Syracuse? What the heck has happened? Very sad day for Cause basketball fans.

I'm just like you. It's a bit of a relief since I know I won't get myself worked up and feel pissed if they lose. My hope is that GM Alex Kline will help us uncover some quality portal kids.

 

[McCuse]

I'm just like you. It's a bit of a relief since I know I won't get myself worked up and feel pissed if they lose My hope is that GM Alex Kline will help us uncover some quality portal kids.

My wife likes it better because I've given up screaming at the TV!

 

[Knicks411]

They had the top class because they had 12 transfers... If you look at the average rank they are pretty far down the list.

To put this point home a bit, California is 15th in the transfer rankings, are we really going to say they brought in more talent and spent more on transfers than Arkansas? No, its because they brought in 10 guys and it gave them a numbers boost.

Its like when Syracuse football was top 30 class for a bit, it was only because we had by far the largest class in the rankings and it gave us extra points compared to smaller classes even though our average/recruit was well below everyone else Now they are .55th once everyone else started filling their classes.

Also that site literally says this at the top of it's rankings

On3's Team Transfer Portal Index utilizes the On3 (P)erformance score to measure a team’s production during the transfer process, compared relative against its roster and not a comparison against other schools. This proprietary algorithm determines if a school has improved its overall team talent, stayed the same, or declined in talent during the transfer window.

They rank first because the talent level they had on the team last year was awful and they all transferred out. By average ranking they were probably around 25-30, hard to compare a class of 12 transfers vs a class of 2 or 3.

 

[Dcuse]

If we offered 0 and someone else offered 1.5 mil then I don't think he would have came to Syracuse

Extremely brilliant and realistic argument. He wouldn’t have “ came” to Syracuse then.

 

[sweetpea]

My wife likes it better because I've given up screaming at the TV!

After 30 years my wife will still ask, "Did they win?" She doesn't even have to leave the room or go upstairs during the game since I'm under control. In fact my kids and I laugh quite a bit more watching the terrible defense and such. Despite the apathy, I don't believe some of the folks on here who are posting that they forgot there was a game on.

 

[phil77]

Extremely brilliant and realistic argument. He wouldn’t have “ came” to Syracuse then.

Correct so like I said we had to put together a competitive NIL package for him to come. His relationship with Fran made it so we didn't have to have the most money just be competitive.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Extremely brilliant and realistic argument. He wouldn’t have “ came” to Syracuse then.

It's a better argument than Red and the AD facing impossible odds and we need to stick with a clear loser that's out of his depth because that's the best we can do...

...and some posters are worried about losing their insider access with an outside hire...

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Day2 has his agenda to defend the staff and Red against any implication that they may not be good enough to bring SU back. No idea why, and while the number of staunch supporters is dwindling, the zealots are entrenching themselves in any excuse that SU can't compete in this new college basketball environment and we all should shut up and clap harder.

Day2 has established a long history of being wrong on just about every topic. He’s either intentionally trolling or is one of those outlier individuals that’s just wrong about everything.

 

[MSOrange]

Day2 has established a long history of being wrong on just about every topic. He’s either intentionally trolling or is one of those outlier individuals that’s just wrong about everything.

Exactly. I'm glad someone else has figured out to ignore him.

 

[richmondcuse03]

That's all fine. Did we even try to match Leffew's $600K?

And now that we've been burned three times in 2 years (Edwards, Lampkin, Leffew) maybe we need to start considering that as a possible outcome and operate accordingly?

Like I said previously, I'm not disputing that we need a larger NIL budget. I am disputing that missing on Leffew is entirely why this program has cratered. It's a small part.

Poorly evaluating literally everyone else we brought in, and failing to bring in another ball handler entirely, are much bigger parts.

Yup. We knew we were going to need more ball handlers - why didn’t we go after HS guards even? I’d rather playing a young guard with upside even if he wasn’t the preferred target. The recruiting approach hasn’t been great.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The time to use NIL as an excuse is to cry for donations in the spring and summer. The complaining now(by fans) isn't relevant because the staff all but bragged they found great players in the portal using some kind of analytics that made them feel more intelligent than everyone else. The entire goal in the offseason that was discussed was about making the tournament. Not one person associated with the program including regular insiders who post here thought we were going to suck this bad this year. Even with JJ healthy we are nowhere close to the tournament and have no good wins.

 

[pwong]

Per Mike Waters from Do Syracuse officials need to look at Adrian Autry’s status? (Mike’s Mailbox) . Continues to hint at the fact that we need more NIL to be competitive.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Per Mike Waters from Do Syracuse officials need to look at Adrian Autry’s status? (Mike’s Mailbox) . Continues to hint at the fact that we need more NIL to be competitive.

Then Syracuse isn't really a Tier 1 basketball program if they're that bad off. They can save a lot of money by shutting the dome down and playing at the OnCenter or the Melo Center. Maybe SU and LeMoyne can share court space to save even more money.

 

[phil77]

Per Mike Waters from Do Syracuse officials need to look at Adrian Autry’s status? (Mike’s Mailbox) . Continues to hint at the fact that we need more NIL to be competitive. View attachment 248745

We have plenty of money to be competitive and make the tournament nothing is stopping us from doing that besides coaching, talent evaluation, roster construction, and talent development. Now winning the national championship the NIL will be an issue but I am not even worried about that at this point so to me NIL is just an excuse. If we were a well-coached 5 seed every year and fans were complaining about getting over the hump and winning more then the above column would hold more weight with me but that isn't what we are even complaining about at the moment.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Then Syracuse isn't really a Tier 1 basketball program if they're that bad off. They can save a lot of money by shutting the dome down and playing at the OnCenter or the Melo Center. Maybe SU and LeMoyne can share court space to save even more money.

Even the sportswriters this year thought we would make the tournament. Now they change their tune.

 

[kingtidge]

Then Syracuse isn't really a Tier 1 basketball program if they're that bad off. They can save a lot of money by shutting the dome down and playing at the OnCenter or the Melo Center. Maybe SU and LeMoyne can share court space to save even more money.

We don't have a ton of NIL and could definitely use more.

That said, we have spent what we have VERY unwisely, and that is the biggest issue (along with the coaching issues)

We have enough NIL to field a competitive squad at least, if the targeting and roster construction was better (and coaching, of course.)

Obviously, Kline should help with better transfer targeting and roster construction going forward at least... and it sounds like he's trying to boost the coffers.