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[rrlbees]

i dont dicuss what “some” people say, if you want me to talk about that I think Joe has difficulty with pressure but played really well in the 2nd half against it, would be happy to. Also not interesting in debating specific games or moments. I’m talking about the totality of the season. if I’m wrong, I’ll be thrilled because we’ll be really good. Last year, I wasnt wrong, yet some folks still didn’t take the L from last year. Is what it is.

You don’t discuss what “some” people say, yet you jumped in and commented on that post that wasn’t directed to you. OK.

 

[rrlbees]

Of what?

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I have no idea what your argument is. I’ve complimented the kid on a number of items.

To think it’s debatable that teams aren’t hunting is to be blind.

Honestly, I like the kid. If you want to have this battle, so be it, but this is bizarre.

My argument? What I see is somebody made a positive post about Joe and you along with a few others decide to piss on it. And you’re wrong if you think Joe can’t bring the ball up court against pressure. He did it all last night when 1-1. When doubled or trapped of course he gave it up like all good PGs do. Breaking pressure is not always a one person job.

 

[MikeSU02]

How old are you?

I’m 42 years young!

 

[MikeSU02]

My argument? What I see is somebody made a positive post about Joe and you along with a few others decide to piss on it. And you’re wrong if you think Joe can’t bring the ball up court against pressure. He did it all last night when 1-1. When doubled or trapped of course he gave it up like all good PGs do. Breaking pressure is not always a one person job.

Let’s agree to disagree about this. Honestly, it’s fine. Again, I like the kid. We just don’t see eye to eye.

 

[GoSU96]

Once? LOL.

No kidding

 

[GoSU96]

No, that’s your debate to deflect from my post. You too should watch the game over from last night. Then get back to me. Some of you act like he turns it over any time there is pressure of any kind.

Exactly

 

[NineOneSeven]

Is mayonnaise an instrument?

 

[rrlbees]

Is mayonnaise an instrument?

No but miracle whip is.

 

[OrangeDW]

Let’s agree to disagree about this. Honestly, it’s fine. Again, I like the kid. We just don’t see eye to eye.

Joe has become a great spot up shooter and nice secondary ball handler, which is what we all hoped he’d be when he was recruited.

 

[rrlbees]

Joe has become a great spot up shooter and nice secondary ball handler, which is what we all hoped he’d be when he was recruited.

He was the primary ball handler for 31 mins last game. Much like most games.

 

[OrangeDW]

He was the primary ball handler for 31 mins last game. Much like most games.

He does his best at it. Would love for Symir to keep progressing so that Joe can spend some more time off the ball toeing it up from 3 - where he is really shining.

 

[rrlbees]

He does his best at it. Would love for Symir to keep progressing so that Joe can spend some more time off the ball toeing it up from 3 - where he is really shining.

31 mins is quite a bit for a “secondary” ball handler. I like Sy, but the more mins of Sy and Joe together, which I also like, is less mins for Benny. Which may be ok but less time will stunt his growth.

 

[sutomcat]

Not sure how it’s irrelevant since JB has consistently either taken him off the ball or even just sat him upon having pressure defense.

Take it up with the HoFer.

Not sure how long you have been a fan, but JB has been using a forward to help with pressure since he started at Syracuse.

Byrnes, Shack, Kerins, Raf, Coleman, Owens, Wallace, Burgan, Melo, etc.

This strategy has nothing to do with who the PG is. Nothing.

 

[GoSU96]

Joe has become a great spot up shooter and nice secondary ball handler, which is what we all hoped he’d be when he was recruited.

Who are you taking off the floor to put him in his “natural” position?

Personally, I think Buddy and Joe should be topping out at about 30-32 a game, that’s still means Joe is lead guard for no less than half the game and playing 10 minutes at the 2.

 

[OrangeDW]

Who are you taking off the floor to put him in his “natural” position?

Depends on the game, matchups, who is playing well.

3 guard lineup had some good stretches last game.

 

[OrangeDW]

31 mins is quite a bit for a “secondary” ball handler. I like Sy, but the more mins of Sy and Joe together, which I also like, is less mins for Benny. Which may be ok but less time will stunt his growth.

Hoping Benny finds something to build off of in the few easier games we have after Georgetown.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Not sure how long you have been a fan, but JB has been using a forward to help with pressure since he started at Syracuse.

Byrnes, Shack, Kerins, Raf, Coleman, Owens, Wallace, Burgan, Melo, etc.

This strategy has nothing to do with who the PG is. Nothing.

Using a forward to help bring the ball across half court against a press is something basically every coach in the country would do. Pretty standard press break stuff.

You’re confusing full court press(ure) with half court pressure.

 

[NineOneSeven]

31 mins is quite a bit for a “secondary” ball handler. I like Sy, but the more mins of Sy and Joe together, which I also like, is less mins for Benny. Which may be ok but less time will stunt his growth.

And 40’ for Howard was quite a quite a bit for someone to play point that wasn’t ideal for it. And 38’ for marek at center was quite a bit for a backup spot minutes center.

Just because it happens doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the player’s strength.

 

[dan7800]

True. Joe is who he is. He’s had some good connections with Jesse Edwards and occasionally one of our 3-point shooters, but he’s not great at driving the lane. That usually turns out badly. I think if the other players would move better without the ball, that could open things up a bit.

I've always viewed JG3 as a poor man's GMAC. I always thought GMAC was a ton better when playing 2 guard, but both have/had to play PG due to other team limitations.

 

[Dcuse]

I've always viewed JG3 as a poor man's GMAC. I always thought GMAC was a ton better when playing 2 guard, but both have/had to play PG due to other team limitations.

GMac...648 assists...3rd all time at Cuse. Not bad for a Point guard out of necessity- a 2 guard forced to play point. Let me educate...Gerry was one of the greatest point guards to ever play here.

 

[721Comstock]

GMac...648 assists...3rd all time at Cuse. Not bad for a Point guard out of necessity- a 2 guard forced to play point. Let me educate...Gerry was one of the greatest point guards to ever play here.

... because he played All The Minutes for all FOUR of his years at Cuse.

He's only ahead of Pearl for career total (for instance) because Pearl left after 3 years.

Do you think GMac was a better PG than Jonny or MCW??
Because if you look at per-game averages for assists, those guys blow him outta the water.
It's just that they 'only' played 2 years in college.

Red Autry had a higher per-game average - heck, Leo Rautins averaged more dimes / game than GMac did.

 

[NineOneSeven]

GMac...648 assists...3rd all time at Cuse. Not bad for a Point guard out of necessity- a 2 guard forced to play point. Let me educate...Gerry was one of the greatest point guards to ever play here.

One of the all-time competitors to wear Orange. It's tough comparing numbers though throughout history because not all stay 4y.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

... because he played All The Minutes for all FOUR of his years at Cuse.

He's only ahead of Pearl for career total (for instance) because Pearl left after 3 years.

Do you think GMac was a better PG than Jonny or MCW??
Because if you look at per-game averages for assists, those guys blow him outta the water.
It's just that they 'only' played 2 years in college.

Red Autry had a higher per-game average - heck, Leo Rautins averaged more dimes / game than GMac did.

Always thought GMac looked like a better player when he had Billy playing next to him. If Billy had stayed and been without his demons or whatever it was, GMac would have had more success I think.

 

[Dcuse]

... because he played All The Minutes for all FOUR of his years at Cuse.

He's only ahead of Pearl for career total (for instance) because Pearl left after 3 years.

Do you think GMac was a better PG than Jonny or MCW??
Because if you look at per-game averages for assists, those guys blow him outta the water.
It's just that they 'only' played 2 years in college.

Red Autry had a higher per-game average - heck, Leo Rautins averaged more dimes / game than GMac did.

I didn’t say he was better or worse than any of your mentioned players. I don’t care how you want to spin it either. He was one of the best point guards that we’ve had here...period.

 

[OrangeDW]

I've always viewed JG3 as a poor man's GMAC. I always thought GMAC was a ton better when playing 2 guard, but both have/had to play PG due to other team limitations.

If I recall, GMac’s shooting % numbers were at their highest in the first half of his soph. year, when he was playing alongside Edelin. 3 years of that combo would’ve changed a lot for us from 04-06.