Give me a reason to think there is another win on the schedule

[Crusty]

Here is what I want to believe…..Shrader was held back from running crazy to protect him from these bigger teams the last 3 weeks. And our offense depends on him running like he did against Purdue. You saw the hit he took first drive against Clemson. If he took a few more of those…..we lose him for the year and then there are no more wins. Is that the truth? Who knows. But it’s a theory.

Shrader had food poisoning the night before. It was amazing he played at all.

 

[690West]

I'll have what you're drinking.

At 25% to get to 8 wins, that result isn’t exactly akin to winning the powerball. The “I’ll have what you’re drinking” line(which I love btw) doesn’t work when 1 in 4 times the outcome will happen

 

[Orangello]

Shrader had food poisoning the night before. It was amazing he played at all.

Maybe it was a baloney cheese special.

 

[TheCusian]

I thought we’d have play better during murderers row, but people haven’t watched enough CFB if they think we don’t have a chance to win 2 more games. Lots of bad-mediocre teams left on the schedule.

 

[Dinkyspond]

These kinds of statistical analyses, while I appreciate the work, they're kind of pointless.

It doesn't really matter to any of us how many game below .500 in the ACC he is, or how many years of great records by Dino it would take for him just to be considered "average", statistically speaking.

None of that matters.

What matters is can this guy consistently win 7 or 8 games, every single year? Can this guy recruit any better? We've given him some pretty good coaches, raised their salaries, tried to upgrade facilities, locker room, lounge, training table, etc.

If he cannot get 3 more wins out of these last 5, he has to go. Honestly, he ought to win 4 out of 5. If they quit on him again this November, we have to replace him, as much as I hate to say so. If this is the peak, this just isn't good enough. We're not Vanderbilt, or Rutgers.

Rutgers is 5-2 and going bowling and Vandy only lost to #1 Georgia by 17.

 

[suorange08]

Because I'm as pessimistic as you'll see and I still see 2 or 3. Preferably 3 as I have 7-5 in the Cali prediction thread.

 

[Willy75]

Rutgers is 5-2 and going bowling and Vandy only lost to #1 Georgia by 17.

It’s not allowed to give Rutgers any credit, and their BiG wins both came against schools that had their coaches canned for creepy misconduct. You could call that creative scheduling though.

 

[Dinkyspond]

I too can't stand them and their B1G wins are against Michigan St. and Northwestern, you are correct, programs in disarray. They conceivably could lose out and miss a bowl which would be beautiful. Indiana and Maryland are their best shots at wins. Maybe they lose out.

 

[kingtidge]

At 25% to get to 8 wins, that result isn’t exactly akin to winning the powerball. The “I’ll have what you’re drinking” line(which I love btw) doesn’t work when 1 in 4 times the outcome will happen

Dino conference record: 18-42 in 7 1/2 yrs. in the ACC.

I'd take a flyer if we didn't have such an abysmal record in the league. It's not like we don't have a good sample here.

Hope springs eternal tho, maybe this is our year? Plenty of season left.

 

[690West]

Dino conference record: 18-42 in 7 1/2 yrs. in the ACC.

I'd take a flyer if we didn't have such an abysmal record in the league.

I’ll give you that history ain’t on our side.

 

[SUDadx2]

I’ll give you that history ain’t on our side.

It’s a good thing we aren’t playing in the past.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Rutgers is 5-2 and going bowling and Vandy only lost to #1 Georgia by 17.

Real historical powers, those two. Sure, if that's what we aspire to - 1 good season every generation or two.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

These kinds of statistical analyses, while I appreciate the work, they're kind of pointless.

It doesn't really matter to any of us how many game below .500 in the ACC he is, or how many years of great records by Dino it would take for him just to be considered "average", statistically speaking.

None of that matters.

What matters is can this guy consistently win 7 or 8 games, every single year? Can this guy recruit any better? We've given him some pretty good coaches, raised their salaries, tried to upgrade facilities, locker room, lounge, training table, etc.

If he cannot get 3 more wins out of these last 5, he has to go. Honestly, he ought to win 4 out of 5. If they quit on him again this November, we have to replace him, as much as I hate to say so. If this is the peak, this just isn't good enough. We're not Vanderbilt, or Rutgers.

You completely contradicted yourself.

"What matters is can this guy consistently win 7 or 8 games"

In order to get there we need to go .500 vs the non major programs. We shouldn't be losing our FCS and G5 games. We won't likely win our 2-3 games a year vs major programs. So if we have a built in 3-2 to 3-3 record we need to be .500 in the other 6-7 games. That will get us 6-7 regular season Ws.

That is where SU is as a program whether you like it or not. If a coach can't meet that they need to go. If a HC can consistently beat that, they will move onto a bigger job. The majority of HCs will be at that consistent 6-7 regular season Ws. Where those HCs will vary is how close are their Ls?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Forgot with those rankings to add TOs. That will be a big factor in these games.

GA Tech +3 on the year
VA Tech +1
BC and Pitt -2
Wake -4

 

[Chip]

I like our chances in every game left. I have a really hard time seeing less than 3-2.

VA Tech
9th in ACC scoring O
10th rushing O
7th pass O
8th scoring D
12th rush D
1st pass D
They don't score a lot of points so we don't have to worry about a shoot out. They don't run it well so we can play our base D without committing to stop the run. They don't stop the run which is good fit for us IMO. If we don't turn the ball over or on STs, I think we win. It should come down to the end of the game.

Every opponent will evolve, but on VT, 5 of their 7 games they have scored 17 points. Which is good for us.

But their last 2 home games, against similar teams to us (Pitt and Wake), they scored 38 and 30. And averaged about 445 yards in those two games. QB is improving each week, both as a passer and a runner.

The 17 point game between those two was at FSU. They certainly showed up better there than we did.

Both their home games were sell outs too, and we know VT probably gets better Thursday attendance than anyone.

We'll do better against lesser competition, but I think the blueprint is probably out on how to stop our offense.

 

[TheCusian]

You completely contradicted yourself.

"What matters is can this guy consistently win 7 or 8 games"

In order to get there we need to go .500 vs the non major programs. We shouldn't be losing our FCS and G5 games. We won't likely win our 2-3 games a year vs major programs. So if we have a built in 3-2 to 3-3 record we need to be .500 in the other 6-7 games. That will get us 6-7 regular season Ws.

That is where SU is as a program whether you like it or not. If a coach can't meet that they need to go. If a HC can consistently beat that, they will move onto a bigger job. The majority of HCs will be at that consistent 6-7 regular season Ws. Where those HCs will vary is how close are their Ls?

Eh, you just described last year and what we’re on track for this year?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Eh, you just described last year and what we’re on track for this year?

Well last year we went 5-2 against those teams. You want better than that? This year we are 1-1 thus far with 5 to play. Would going 4-3 be that bad?

The issue isn't our record, it is how we are getting there. When you start 6-0 and then become 6-5 or start 4-0 and become 4-3, all the while being blown out a few times and having an ugly AF offense, makes things feel a lot worse.


Evaluating where the HC is shouldn't be just about the record. How you get there should play a part. My point was the main baseline when looking at just record should be .500 against non big time programs. We really shouldn't look too much into the fact that we have Ls in those big time program games (again how is different story). Just like we shouldn't look too much into the fact that we beat FCS/G5 teams. We should only reward bonus points for beating the former and deductions for the later (again when just evaluating record itself).

 

[swish7]

I really cannot envision the offense scoring with what I have seen

I posted a thread about this, game by game, but don't see it anymore..

Anyhow, there is a valid argument for the other team winning in each of our remaining games.

There is also an argument for us winning these games as well.

Anything can happen.

 

[Deleted member 8116]

It’s not just the last 3 games this offense has struggled. They were down 10-3 at the half against an Army team that just lost 19-0 against mighty Troy..

 

[djcon57]

Army is 2-3 and just got shutout by Troy
Purdue is 2-5.

I take nothing from the first 4 games personally. We beat 4 bad teams and lost to 3 good teams.

well see how the rest of the year goes

 

[orangecuse]

As those infamous words once uttered by the university's top brass, this is a one trick pony/only horse in town area. Well, those words ring true today relative to the great offensive guru in Dino Babers and his offense.

Any team that doesn't put a scout, etc. on GS the entire game and force us to beat them with the pass, then their own university should be looking at their own coaching staff and seriously determining whether they are worthy of being employed as a high(er) level college football coach, let alone a P5 one.

 

[sufandu]

What's Rocky Long's record coming off a bye? What's Jason Beck's as an OC?

I'm pretty sure Beck is winless...



... since he's never been an OC after a bye week before.

 

[Consigliere]

I'm pretty sure Beck is winless...



... since he's never been an OC after a bye week before.

Obviously. So he's also undefeated. My point is that the coordinators will make the adjustments and that the past is only relevant if everything else is equal. With two new coordinators and a different opponent on deck, Syracuse's history coming off a bye while Dino has been head coach is largely irrelevant if you are trying to predict what will happen in Blacksburg on October 26, 2023.

 

[JKinPhilly]

I'm pretty sure Beck is winless...



... since he's never been an OC after a bye week before.

 

[sufandu]

Obviously. So he's also undefeated. My point is that the coordinators will make the adjustments and that the past is only relevant if everything else is equal. With two new coordinators and a different opponent on deck, Syracuse's history coming off a bye while Dino has been head coach is largely irrelevant if you are trying to predict what will happen in Blacksburg on October 26, 2023.

Yeah, you're right. I've always thought the "record after a bye" stat was stupid anyway. Back in the '90's if we played Rutgers after every bye, we're undefeated. If it was Miami, we'd be a lot worse. I was just being sarcastic with my response.