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Give me a reason to think there is another win on the schedule

I like our chances in every game left. I have a really hard time seeing less than 3-2.

VA Tech
9th in ACC scoring O
10th rushing O
7th pass O
8th scoring D
12th rush D
1st pass D
They don't score a lot of points so we don't have to worry about a shoot out. They don't run it well so we can play our base D without committing to stop the run. They don't stop the run which is good fit for us IMO. If we don't turn the ball over or on STs, I think we win. It should come down to the end of the game.

BC
7th scoring O
1st rushing O
11th pass O
13th scoring D
10th rush D
6th pass D
They run the ball well but are pretty one dimensional. If we can slow down Clemson's rush we can to BC's, and they don't have the talent at QB/WR to make us pay. We should have no issue scoring on them. I think we win comfortably.

Pitt
12th scoring O
13th rush O
13th pass O
11th scoring D
11th rush D
4th pass D
They O stinks. They can't stop the run. This is a game we should win, not as close as VA Tech but not as easy as BC.

GA Tech
6th scoring O
11th rush O
5th pass O
12th scoring D
14th rush D
11th pass D
I think our D fits well against their O. Their D stinks. I think on paper it is a good matchup for us. That being said it might be our hardest game left.

Wake
14th scoring O
9th rush O
9th pass O
7th scoring D
7th rush D
10th pass D
They do nothing well this year on either side of the ball. This might be our easiest game left.
 
DPCuse said:
In the Clemson game, we were still undefeated. Once that game got a little out of hand and we lost, there was no reason to risk him at UNC and FSU. Dino knows he needs to win 7-8 games to keep his job and having Shrader available is the only way to do that. I think you see them throw caution to the wind with him the last 5 games.
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If you watch the games again you can see that UNC/FSU are playing to shut GS down from running. He's not running as much because he can't, not because we're trying to protect him. If we were, we wouldn't still call plays having him run right into 4 very big players.
 
upperdeck said:
Can we review all the teams in the 6-9 win range at year end and show how they are not "Paper Tigers"

There are about 20 good teams 30-40 mid teams and 20 plus below that..

Our issue is we could win 7-8-9 with no good wins.

The rest of the ACC

Duke has the Clemson win but really were not the better team that day, but it worked out they would have been 8-4 with nothing

Lou got the ND win.. Without that 1 game they have nothing

GT has the Miami debacle to save them, they need to beat us to have a 6-7 win season anyway

Miami. If they lose to clem/FSU they will be a 8 win team with what the tex am game as their highlight?

Clemson might end up 8-4 with an Avg Miami team as their best win

Pitt loses the next 2 and they has so find a way to win out to get to 6 wins

Nc St probably has to beat Wake/VT to get to 6 wins

VT has been awful but if they beat us they might get to 7-8 wins and be happy.

BC has been awful. But they have a path to 8-9 wins as well
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2020 counts but if we ignore that year and games against FSU/Clemson who are way better programs, Dino's ACC record is still just 16-21 .432 W%. That isn't good enough, and we are being generous leaving out 2020/FSU/Clemson. Even if he finishes this year 3-2 he will be at 19-23 .452 W%. He really should be .500 in those games. He isn't far from being .500 but he is slightly underachieving.

IMO going forward we need a HC to go .500 against everybody but FSU/Clemson. I think that is more than fair. Our OOC P5 non major programs (ND/Tennessee types don't count) should also be .500. Dino is 2-2 in those games. So he should be at season's end 23-23 against P5s. He needs to go 5-0 the rest to the way to get there.

Dino hasn't done a good job as HC and even he is close to .500 against peer P5s. There is no reason to think we as a program cannot achieve that. Add in G5/FCS and we should be 7-5 easily each year.
 
We have not found that HR guy at WR which every team seems to have, and its always the issue when you cant stretch a field with speed and we add in a QB with arm issues.

The D lacks a DE, we dont threaten a pass rush so we have to send 4-5 to get home and even then they struggle to beat blocks.

We could go 5-0 or 0-5 a this point.. If we beat VT/BC who knows what happens.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
I like our chances in every game left. I have a really hard time seeing less than 3-2.

VA Tech
9th in ACC scoring O
10th rushing O
7th pass O
8th scoring D
12th rush D
1st pass D
They don't score a lot of points so we don't have to worry about a shoot out. They don't run it well so we can play our base D without committing to stop the run. They don't stop the run which is good fit for us IMO. If we don't turn the ball over or on STs, I think we win. It should come down to the end of the game.

BC
7th scoring O
1st rushing O
11th pass O
13th scoring D
10th rush D
6th pass D
They run the ball well but are pretty one dimensional. If we can slow down Clemson's rush we can to BC's, and they don't have the talent at QB/WR to make us pay. We should have no issue scoring on them. I think we win comfortably.

Pitt
12th scoring O
13th rush O
13th pass O
11th scoring D
11th rush D
4th pass D
They O stinks. They can't stop the run. This is a game we should win, not as close as VA Tech but not as easy as BC.

GA Tech
6th scoring O
11th rush O
5th pass O
12th scoring D
14th rush D
11th pass D
I think our D fits well against their O. Their D stinks. I think on paper it is a good matchup for us. That being said it might be our hardest game left.

Wake
14th scoring O
9th rush O
9th pass O
7th scoring D
7th rush D
10th pass D
They do nothing well this year on either side of the ball. This might be our easiest game left.
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I appreciate this, thank you. Also, I just watched the highlights of Pitt over Louisville and their offense sure looked pretty good against an undefeated Cardinals squad. Each of these teams upcoming can beat us, and will beat us, if Schrader can’t make downfield throws that take advantage of a spy on him. Come on, there has to be a matchup that favors us somewhere on the field.
 
upperdeck said:
We have not found that HR guy at WR which every team seems to have, and its always the issue when you cant stretch a field with speed and we add in a QB with arm issues.

The D lacks a DE, we dont threaten a pass rush so we have to send 4-5 to get home and even then they struggle to beat blocks.

We could go 5-0 or 0-5 a this point.. If we beat VT/BC who knows what happens.
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Okechukwu should be that guy

I keep watching him take plays off and it’s disturbing to me
 
upperdeck said:
We have not found that HR guy at WR which every team seems to have, and its always the issue when you cant stretch a field with speed and we add in a QB with arm issues.

The D lacks a DE, we dont threaten a pass rush so we have to send 4-5 to get home and even then they struggle to beat blocks.

We could go 5-0 or 0-5 a this point.. If we beat VT/BC who knows what happens.
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The D needs someone like Perry who likes to hit people to step up and punish players on the OL.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
I like our chances in every game left. I have a really hard time seeing less than 3-2.

VA Tech
9th in ACC scoring O
10th rushing O
7th pass O
8th scoring D
12th rush D
1st pass D
They don't score a lot of points so we don't have to worry about a shoot out. They don't run it well so we can play our base D without committing to stop the run. They don't stop the run which is good fit for us IMO. If we don't turn the ball over or on STs, I think we win. It should come down to the end of the game.

BC
7th scoring O
1st rushing O
11th pass O
13th scoring D
10th rush D
6th pass D
They run the ball well but are pretty one dimensional. If we can slow down Clemson's rush we can to BC's, and they don't have the talent at QB/WR to make us pay. We should have no issue scoring on them. I think we win comfortably.

Pitt
12th scoring O
13th rush O
13th pass O
11th scoring D
11th rush D
4th pass D
They O stinks. They can't stop the run. This is a game we should win, not as close as VA Tech but not as easy as BC.

GA Tech
6th scoring O
11th rush O
5th pass O
12th scoring D
14th rush D
11th pass D
I think our D fits well against their O. Their D stinks. I think on paper it is a good matchup for us. That being said it might be our hardest game left.

Wake
14th scoring O
9th rush O
9th pass O
7th scoring D
7th rush D
10th pass D
They do nothing well this year on either side of the ball. This might be our easiest game left.
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I agree. I think we get to 8 wins.
 
FrancoPizza said:
The difference is these upcoming teams will no longer have a mystery as to how to shut us down. The only teams we may have a talent advantage are vs BC and VT.
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Knowing how and then having the talent to do the same thing is hugely different. The teams we have left have anywhere near the talent that NC & Fla St have. I am very thankful for that. Dogfights the rest of the way with equal chances to win or lose.
 
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HRE Otto IV said:
I like our chances in every game left. I have a really hard time seeing less than 3-2.

VA Tech
9th in ACC scoring O
10th rushing O
7th pass O
8th scoring D
12th rush D
1st pass D
They don't score a lot of points so we don't have to worry about a shoot out. They don't run it well so we can play our base D without committing to stop the run. They don't stop the run which is good fit for us IMO. If we don't turn the ball over or on STs, I think we win. It should come down to the end of the game.

BC
7th scoring O
1st rushing O
11th pass O
13th scoring D
10th rush D
6th pass D
They run the ball well but are pretty one dimensional. If we can slow down Clemson's rush we can to BC's, and they don't have the talent at QB/WR to make us pay. We should have no issue scoring on them. I think we win comfortably.

Pitt
12th scoring O
13th rush O
13th pass O
11th scoring D
11th rush D
4th pass D
They O stinks. They can't stop the run. This is a game we should win, not as close as VA Tech but not as easy as BC.

GA Tech
6th scoring O
11th rush O
5th pass O
12th scoring D
14th rush D
11th pass D
I think our D fits well against their O. Their D stinks. I think on paper it is a good matchup for us. That being said it might be our hardest game left.

Wake
14th scoring O
9th rush O
9th pass O
7th scoring D
7th rush D
10th pass D
They do nothing well this year on either side of the ball. This might be our easiest game left.
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This is an exceptionally well researched post, but how do our rankings compare?
 
Newhouser said:
I agree. I think we get to 8 wins.
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If the team isn’t emotionally broken, I agree. If we can be what we were the first four games(yes I know they were all against stiffs but still..) then we can get to 7-8. BC is bad, a close loss to FSU doesn’t negate a loss to NIU and three 3 point late wins against Holy Cross, UVA and Army. Wake is not good at anything, Pitt had a nice win last night and always beats us, Va Tech is improving but their last two wins were against two teams we also play. Ga Tech beats Miami but gets crushed at home by Bowling Green. We can’t win 3 at least Dino deservedly needs to go and Wildhack needs to pull a John Cusack and show up at Curt Cignetti’s house with a boombox playing In Your Eyes
 
I think if we can’t stop these “lesser”. teams from getting to GS, we won’t advance.
 
DuxburyO said:
Historically you re right. Nov/Dec has $ucked and after bye weeks the team has not done well either.

However….

Pitt did beat UL. But with no Jordan. It was a big impact, as was the game being in Pitt after UL laid it all out against ND. I don’t bet but the next to definite winner, other than FSU covering, was Pitt beating them.

bC played FSU on their “red bandana” day, in stuffty rain, after FSU luckily beat Clemson.

I will keep the faith. Lot’s of games to play.

Maybe I am a fool or maybe a genius. It’s the curse of bleeding orange.

Oh well.
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What's Rocky Long's record coming off a bye? What's Jason Beck's as an OC?
 
djorange1989 said:
If the team isn’t emotionally broken, I agree. If we can be what we were the first four games(yes I know they were all against stiffs but still..) then we can get to 7-8. BC is bad, a close loss to FSU doesn’t negate a loss to NIU and three 3 point late wins against Holy Cross, UVA and Army. Wake is not good at anything, Pitt had a nice win last night and always beats us, Va Tech is improving but their last two wins were against two teams we also play. Ga Tech beats Miami but gets crushed at home by Bowling Green. We can’t win 3 at least Dino deservedly needs to go and Wildhack needs to pull a John Cusack and show up at Curt Cignetti’s house with a boombox playing In Your Eyes
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Cignetti would be even sweeter given the staff is made up of Pitt guys. Let's hope the dominos don't fall with Narduzzi to MSU...
 
Depends how bad these guys want to play in the pinstripe bowl.
 
DocFlanders said:
Because the rest of the teams on our schedule are mediocre, far from FSU and UNC talent
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Yes, but the problem with getting your ass kicked 3 times in a row is you kind of forget how to win. They haven't even "been in the game" in a month. Dino has made a handful of bonehead calls. The offensive play calling has gotten more conservative.

In the last 3 weeks, we have gone from outright favorites in our remaining five games, to statistical draws in 4 out of 5 according to Sagarin (within 2 or 3 points, with home field swinging either way), and only clear favorites over BC at home.
 
HRE Otto IV said:
2020 counts but if we ignore that year and games against FSU/Clemson who are way better programs, Dino's ACC record is still just 16-21 .432 W%. That isn't good enough, and we are being generous leaving out 2020/FSU/Clemson. Even if he finishes this year 3-2 he will be at 19-23 .452 W%. He really should be .500 in those games. He isn't far from being .500 but he is slightly underachieving.

IMO going forward we need a HC to go .500 against everybody but FSU/Clemson. I think that is more than fair. Our OOC P5 non major programs (ND/Tennessee types don't count) should also be .500. Dino is 2-2 in those games. So he should be at season's end 23-23 against P5s. He needs to go 5-0 the rest to the way to get there.

Dino hasn't done a good job as HC and even he is close to .500 against peer P5s. There is no reason to think we as a program cannot achieve that. Add in G5/FCS and we should be 7-5 easily each year.
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These kinds of statistical analyses, while I appreciate the work, they're kind of pointless.

It doesn't really matter to any of us how many game below .500 in the ACC he is, or how many years of great records by Dino it would take for him just to be considered "average", statistically speaking.

None of that matters.

What matters is can this guy consistently win 7 or 8 games, every single year? Can this guy recruit any better? We've given him some pretty good coaches, raised their salaries, tried to upgrade facilities, locker room, lounge, training table, etc.

If he cannot get 3 more wins out of these last 5, he has to go. Honestly, he ought to win 4 out of 5. If they quit on him again this November, we have to replace him, as much as I hate to say so. If this is the peak, this just isn't good enough. We're not Vanderbilt, or Rutgers.
 
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