Go empty and make dungey your running game

[CuseLifer11]

I'm ready for the Elmore wildcat offense.

Seriously though, have to question those who don't think it's a big drop-off from Eric to Zack.

To me, Dungey is a top 25 QB nationally, especially factoring in what little he has around him in weapons/line.

Zack is a walk-on who deservedly earned a scholarship. Not Dungey, not close to Dungey, Pittsburgh game notwithstanding.

Seriously. Dungey is as far ahead of a #2 as someone could be. Coaches certainly think so. "Throw Mahoney in for a series or two." WHAT????

 

[orangenirvana]

Seriously. Dungey is as far ahead of a #2 as someone could be. Coaches certainly think so. "Throw Mahoney in for a series or two." WHAT????

But that's the point. Dungey isn't that far ahead of the #2.

 

[TheCusian]

But that's the point. Dungey isn't that far ahead of the #2.

Lots of vagueness here - “not that far ahead”? How do we know this? Vegas odds?

 

[orangenirvana]

Lots of vagueness here - “not that far ahead”? How do we know this? Vegas odds?

By watching them play. This ain't exactly 1998 McNabb to Freshman Madei Williams drop-off.

 

[TheCusian]

By watching them play. This ain't exactly 1998 McNabb to Freshman Madei Williams drop-off.

Fair enough. I just don't see it.

 

[SmilinBob]

Valid point to do this but having somebody (TE) around to pick up some blocks/later release may help this work. SU still needs these young linemen to learn how to run block for the future.

 

[shu 49]

i'd have to go back and watch but I think this is why Strickland is in the game to begin with. He's the best blocker in pass protect.

I respectfully disagree on strick being better than elmore at pss blocking. Watch nc state game. A couple times after they ran elmore he was in pass block and shut his guy down cold 2 sepeate times. Very good at it and has good feet and size of course which helps.

 

[PhatOrange]

I respectfully disagree on strick being better than elmore at pss blocking. Watch nc state game. A couple times after they ran elmore he was in pass block and shut his guy down cold 2 sepeate times. Very good at it and has good feet and size of course which helps.

I agree that Elmore blocks better but he's a TE/HBack. I was talking about the tailbacks. Strickland, Neal, Perkins and Pierre.

 

[Chip]

There's a whole other thread about Mahoney vs. Dungey. One that actually suggests he be the QB. People interested in that (insane) topic should visit that thread instead.

 

[care taker]

I'm ready for the Elmore wildcat offense.

Seriously though, have to question those who don't think it's a big drop-off from Eric to Zack.

To me, Dungey is a top 25 QB nationally, especially factoring in what little he has around him in weapons/line.

Zack is a walk-on who deservedly earned a scholarship. Not Dungey, not close to Dungey, Pittsburgh game notwithstanding.

Through 5 games his rating ranks 10th out of the top 15 Qb's in the acc and ranked 67th out of 129 Qb's still a lot a football left to change that

 

[RMH44]

Through 5 games his rating ranks 10th out of the top 15 Qb's in the acc and ranked 67th out of 129 Qb's still a lot a football left to change that

Not that it matters but using the QBR system as a stand alone to assess your QB is just dumb. There are a slew of QB's between Baker Mayfield (rated #1) and ED that aren't very good...including the 4th rated Byrant Shirreffs from the G5 powerhouse UConn.

BTW, there are only 14 teams in the ACC.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Not that it matters but using the QBR system as a stand alone to assess your QB is just dumb. There are a slew of QB's between Baker Mayfield (rated #1) and ED that aren't very good...including the 4th rated Byrant Shirreffs from the G5 powerhouse UConn.

BTW, there are only 14 teams in the ACC.

Plus, I don't think QBR accounts much for the rushing TDs Dungey has in lieu of throwing for more TDs.

 

[TheCusian]

Not that it matters but using the QBR system as a stand alone to assess your QB is just dumb. There are a slew of QB's between Baker Mayfield (rated #1) and ED that aren't very good...including the 4th rated Byrant Shirreffs from the G5 powerhouse UConn.

BTW, there are only 14 teams in the ACC.

In the ACC, Max Browne from Pitt grades out higher (#6!) using that metric. There's not a coach in the ACC that would take that guy over Dungey. He is a dink and dunk specialist avg 145 yards a game.

When you have the most attempts, you make mistakes. It also doesn't factor in his running ability... He's tied with Kelly Bryant at 7TD.

 

[care taker]

Plus, I don't think QBR accounts much for the rushing TDs Dungey has in lieu of throwing for more TDs.

Qbr takes rushing into account as well

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Qbr takes rushing into account as well

Alrighty, not sure why I thought it didn't.

 

[RMH44]

Qbr takes rushing into account as well

You're wrong. There are five criteria that are used in the QBR:
Pass attempts (ED = 212)
Completions (ED = 135)
Passing yards (ED = 1437)
TD passes (ED = 7)
INT (ED = 4)
QBR Dungey = 127.7

Take the numbers above and plug them into this calculator ( NFL, NCAA, AFL - Quarterback Rating Calculator ) using the NCAA button and get the exact results.

 

[RMH44]

Alrighty, not sure why I thought it didn't.

Because it doesn't...he's wrong.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Because it doesn't...he's wrong.

Alrighty, so I was right to think it didn't.

 

[RMH44]

Alrighty, so I was right to think it didn't.

Use the numbers from my post above in the QBR calculator provided. You'll see that ED's QBR rating is exactly what you'll find on any of the ACC or national statistical listings.

 

[care taker]

Alrighty, not sure why I thought it didn't.

Ed is a good qb and our best option no debating that but not c

You're wrong. There are five criteria that are used in the QBR:
Pass attempts (ED = 212)
Completions (ED = 135)
Passing yards (ED = 1437)
TD passes (ED = 7)
INT (ED = 4)
QBR Dungey = 127.7

Take the numbers above and plug them into this calculator ( NFL, NCAA, AFL - Quarterback Rating Calculator ) using the NCAA button and get the exact results.

he is the 80 ranked qb using that caculator
We rank 7th in pass attempts
He is 12th in yards passing and 17th in player point per game value (very good )
Needs to improve pass efficiency if we are going to rank 7th in attempts
He is clearly our best option at qb , WRs need to clean up some drops and that should increase I'm also impressed with his effort very tough kid

 

[RMH44]

Ed is a good qb and our best option no debating that but not c

he is the 80 ranked qb using that caculator
We rank 7th in pass attempts
He is 12th in yards passing and 17th in player point per game value (very good )
Needs to improve pass efficiency if we are going to rank 7th in attempts
He is clearly our best option at qb , WRs need to clean up some drops and that should increase I'm also impressed with his effort very tough kid

My point was the QBR isn't a good stand alone quantifier of QB success/quality. Additionally, I posted that calculator to prove that rushing results are not criteria in the QBR formula.

This particular calculator produced the same exact QBR (127.7) that is listed on every ACC and national statistical analysis that I've seen.

 

[TheCusian]

Another example of tempo juicing the yardage and the other stat pointing to a donut hole where we *could* be soon.

 

[GoSU96]

Anyone who thinks there is a Dungey v Mahoney debate is a complete moron