"Go get your Pulitzer somewhere else..."

[kingtidge]

The presser video:

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[Hoboken Cuse]

In college recruiting is part of your coaching resume. You cannot measure a coaches ability without considering how recrutiung is positively impacted by their abilities. The two go hand in hand. You cannot say he isnt a great coach because he hasnt done enough with his talent. He is the reason that talent came here

I agree with you on the importance of recruiting and it being a crucial part of the job but I respectfully disgree with your point that you can not be critical of someone because he has not done enough with the talent. I'm not stating that JB has done that recently, but anytime someone questions any of his tactics at a presser - or god forbid on this board - watch out because your questioning a deity. JB is a very good coach and recruiter but to say he is one of the top 10 basketball minds of all time is mind boggling.

 

[realorange]

I agree with you on the importance of recruiting and it being a crucial part of the job but I respectfully disgree with your point that you can not be critical of someone because he has not done enough with the talent. I'm not stating that JB has done that recently, but anytime someone questions any of his tactics at a presser - or god forbid on this board - watch out because your questioning a deity. JB is a very good coach and recruiter but to say he is one of the top 10 basketball minds of all time is mind boggling.

I'll even stretch it a little and say that if you would not even consider that he might be one of the top ten of all time is mind boggling.

 

[Hoboken Cuse]

He would be in my top 10 coaches of today but not on my top 10 basketball coaches of all time. Sorry if you disagree.

 

[Cuseregular]

I agree with you on the importance of recruiting and it being a crucial part of the job but I respectfully disgree with your point that you can not be critical of someone because he has not done enough with the talent. I'm not stating that JB has done that recently, but anytime someone questions any of his tactics at a presser - or god forbid on this board - watch out because your questioning a deity. JB is a very good coach and recruiter but to say he is one of the top 10 basketball minds of all time is mind boggling.

with ya until the last line. I'd put him in the top 3 of hoops minds if we're simply talking the X's and O's of the sport, remembering that top minds doesn't always equate to top successes. But pretty damn good in this case though.

 

[Townie72]

JB will be here as long as he wants to, he has earned that right and will go down as the best SU head coach of all time. But please can we stop with the Penn State Uber loyalty no matter what syndrome. JB is a big boy he can take some criticisim from this board, he makes mistakes just like everyone else. NO one is calling for his head and everyone who is an SU basketball fan wants him on the sidelines next year and the year after and the year after. The guy is a legend but he also has some flaws, its clear SU has underachieved at times in his career and this team despite a boat load of talent appears likely to make an early tourney exit.

But it isn't criticism. I consider its whining. Its the opinion of amateurs.

Lets start with this assumption. Nobody wants to win every game more than Boeheim. He is by nature a competitive person.

So when our so-called critics on here, for example, complain that Triche ought to be benched and Cooney given a chance ... because he couldn't possibly be worse than Triche, I don't think that could even be considered as criticism. It doesn't rise to that level.

Boeheim, in these instances when Triche is playing poorly, knows that Cooney is on the bench. He hasn't forgotten. And it's obvious that in his judgement, BT gives us a better chance to win that game even playing like he is than Cooney does. I know that because I can see Triche is in the game and Cooney is on the bench.

And no one is more familiar that Boeheim is with the capabilities of his players.

 

[djcon57]

But it isn't criticism. I consider its whining. Its the opinion of amateurs..

Opinion of amateurs.

On an internet message board.

And?

 

[TinyManInside]

no i meant pompastic . which is a word i derived to express both pompous and bombastic.
but not to be confused at all with pompetus.
also coined the term "blobble" last night to describe the ball handling skills of our backcourt.
it's a derivation of both blunder and bobble as in "triche blobbles the ball across midcourt"

this post is awesome.

 

[BuffOrange]

But it isn't criticism. I consider its whining. Its the opinion of amateurs.

Lets start with this assumption. Nobody wants to win every game more than Boeheim. He is by nature a competitive person.

So when our so-called critics on here, for example, complain that Triche ought to be benched and Cooney given a chance ... because he couldn't possibly be worse than Triche, I don't think that could even be considered as criticism. It doesn't rise to that level.

Boeheim, in these instances when Triche is playing poorly, knows that Cooney is on the bench. He hasn't forgotten. And it's obvious that in his judgement, BT gives us a better chance to win that game even playing like he is than Cooney does. I know that because I can see Triche is in the game and Cooney is on the bench.

And no one is more familiar that Boeheim is with the capabilities of his players.

I tend to think we're better off sticking it out with BT as well but to say it's not worthy of discussion on a message board because JB can't ever be wrong...I don't know, that'd be easier to accept if Grant didn't play like he was ready to play and be productive as soon as he had to. Who knows if he would even be getting 5minutes right now if Southerland was never suspended?

 

[OrangeCrush22]

appreciate it. that is a young Kate Upton.

She's 20. What is a "young Kate Upton"?

 

[SWC75]

That's irrelevant. It's now a clear, alarming pattern. Against providence, we played arguably our best game of the year, albeit against a clearly inferior opponent. We are dropping like a stone and it's obvious the players are losing their confidence and their coach is getting noticeably more cranky than usual.

The weaknesses in this have been apparent all year. We've won a lot of games despite them. Now we lost a couple of games and it's a "clear, alarming pattern".

 

[iommi]

The weaknesses in this have been apparent all year. We've won a lot of games despite them. Now we lost a couple of games and it's a "clear, alarming pattern".

Correct. The competition is better within the conference schedule. Teams are exploiting those weaknesses now with coaches that know how to exploit our deficiencies. Winning would cure everything but 4-5 ain't cutting it.

 

[SWC75]

Correct. The competition is better within the conference schedule. Teams are exploiting those weaknesses now with coaches that know how to exploit our deficiencies. Winning would cure everything but 4-5 ain't cutting it.

We are 10-5 against the conference schedule.

 

[iommi]

We are 10-5 against the conference schedule.

I'm aware of that...doesn't change that we are 4-5 in our last 9. What exactly are you defending? We've played like dog doo doo lately. That is a pattern. The teams in the conference have looked at our game tape and have figured us out. I guess we'll agree to disagree since I'm repeating myself.

 

[Townie72]

Triche is Triche, he has a four year track record so I'm not surprised by his struggles. But where oh where is the scoring machine MCW was in high school? How did he score so consistenly with that flat, ugly jumper? You can't tell me his shooting form has worsened in college.

No. But the competition is better. Its harder to get shots off. It's harder to prance down the lane and jump over people on the way to the rim.

Everybody on the SU roster probably average 20 pts a game in high school.

 

[SWC75]

I'm aware of that...doesn't change that we are 4-5 in our last 9. What exactly are you defending? We've played like dog doo doo lately. That is a pattern. The teams in the conference have looked at our game tape and have figured us out. I guess we'll agree to disagree since I'm repeating myself.

I started by noting that we are seeing the same sort of posts about how it's time for Boeheim to retire we saw in 2008, posts that would not have been made a week ago. That's what I am "defending" against.

 

[rstone7727]

JB is a very good coach and recruiter but to say he is one of the top 10 basketball minds of all time is mind boggling.

I would absolutely commit murder to see your top 10 of all time list...

 

[SWC75]

I would love to see some decent questions from reporters...some with the real insight. I get more irritated than Boeheim with some of these "questions". Why ask a what-if question about a guy who is recovering from injury at the moment? The "leader" question wasn't a question. It was a statement implying there is no leadership. After 37 years, of course he's going to get irritated at dumb, thoughtless questions. With that said, I think he would be better off PR-wise if he answered some of those nicely with "yes" or "no" answers. Or "How important is leadership...blah blah blah ?" Answer" "Very important". Would Coleman have helped?? No.

There's a good way to ask questions and a bad way. You want to avoid implying that you know more about basketball than the coach. "Why didn't you do do this" doesn't go over as well as "what where the reasons why you did what you did?"

 

[iommi]

I started by noting that we are seeing the same sort of posts about how it's time for Boeheim to retire we saw in 2008, posts that would not have been made a week ago. That's what I am "defending" against.

Okay, but I didn't say that.

 

[Townie72]

I would absolutely commit murder to see your top 10 of all time list...

Good grief, Yes.

Exhibit A - 913 wins at the same school in a major conference.
Exhibit B - 35 20-win seasons all done from sunny Syracuse NY
Exhibit C - 3 Final Fours and a National Championship.

Doing this from Syracuse, NY makes even more special. When you walk out the main gate of Georgetown U, you are on M St. in DC. When you walk out of Manley Field House?

Who is on this guy's Top 10 list? Roy Danforth? Bill Rafterry?

 

[iommi]

I would absolutely commit murder to see your top 10 of all time list...

You didn't ask me but here are ten guys who should be in the argument:

Coach K
Dean Smith
Adolph Rupp
Bobby Knight
Jim Calhoun
Lou Carnesecca
Tom Izzo
Phog Allen
John Wooden
Eddie Sutton

I purposely left out JB. He should be in there but I left him out to illustrate that there is an argument to be made for a lot of guys.

 

[PoppyHart]

Good grief, Yes.

Exhibit A - 913 wins at the same school in a major conference.
Exhibit B - 35 20-win seasons all done from sunny Syracuse NY
Exhibit C - 3 Final Fours and a National Championship.

Doing this from Syracuse, NY makes even more special. When you walk out the main gate of Georgetown U, you are on M St. in DC. When you walk out of Manley Field House?

Who is on this guy's Top 10 list? Roy Danforth? Bill Rafterry?

Actually you're on 37th street Anyway, I know we had his discussion about JB a few months ago. You could put him probably anywhere from 5th to 15th all time. Somewhere around 10th would seem justifiable.

 

[Townie72]

Actually you're on 37th street Anyway, I know we had his discussion about JB a few months ago. You could put him probably anywhere from 5th to 15th all time. Somewhere around 10th would seem justifiable.

I know your on 37th St. Call me a liar for 3 short blocks ... most of it downhill. Or you could go down that creepy staircase.

 

[Hoboken Cuse]

I would absolutely commit murder to see your top 10 of all time list...

No need to go that far... no particular order off the top of my head...

Wooden, Phog Allen, Coach K, Bob Knight, Rupp, Dean Smith, Calhoun, Red Auerback, Don Nelson, Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, Chuck Daly, Larry Brown and Gregg Popovich. That's 14 - hard to toss any of these 4 out to make room for JB - IMO he is the same crowd with Izzo, Calapri, Billy Donovan & Pitino. Very good maybe even great... but not Legendary.

 

[iommi]

No need to go that far... no particular order off the top of my head...

Wooden, Phog Allen, Coach K, Bob Knight, Rupp, Dean Smith, Calhoun, Red Auerback, Don Nelson, Jerry Sloan, Phil Jackson, Chuck Daly, Larry Brown and Gregg Popovich. That's 14 - hard to toss any of these 4 out to make room for JB - IMO he is the same crowd with Izzo, Calapri, Billy Donovan & Pitino. Very good maybe even great... but not Legendary.

Uh, shouldn't the comparison be to college coaches?