Good luck in the nfl chandler

[IthacaBarrel]

One year from what I am hearing, if we dont get to a bowl game next year the hammer may fall. Some higher ups were not pleased with the finish (not the admin) fball boosters.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

One year from what I am hearing, if we dont get to a bowl game next year the hammer may fall. Some higher ups were not pleased with the finish (not the admin) fball boosters.

Does Syracuse even have any big football boosters anymore? Who are the big boosters, what defines a big booster? Seems strange to me

 

[rrlbees]

Does Syracuse even have any big football boosters anymore? Who are the big boosters, what defines a big booster? Seems strange to me

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[IthacaBarrel]

So it's bees that wants Marrone fired.. Ok

 

[Scooch]

Does Syracuse even have any big football boosters anymore? Who are the big boosters, what defines a big booster? Seems strange to me

Yeah, this confused me too. We can't scrape together enough dinero to build new facilities, but we have "boosters" influential enough to put pressure towards the retention of the head coach?

That being said, if these "boosters" do exist, methinks they're making it harder on the staff than this board is, eh?

 

[kingottoiii]

Are you the guy complaining about the young players not getting on the field. Shouldn't you be consistent and see this as a good thing?

Why would it be a good thing that our RBs couldn't get significant carries until the last game when we desperately needed a #2 guy all year long? Why would it be a good thing when we had one WR making plays the last 5 games and none of the young guys were able to step up and ease the burden? Why would it be a good thing that none of the DEs showed a damn thing all year despite getting plenty of PT?

 

[kingottoiii]

Yeah, this confused me too. We can't scrape together enough dinero to build new facilities, but we have "boosters" influential enough to put pressure towards the retention of the head coach?

That being said, if these "boosters" do exist, methinks they're making it harder on the staff than this board is, eh?

If it is true that Marrone has finally broken through with the HS coaches, wouldn't a rational booster want to extend Marrone during the Spring and allow him to recruit next year? If this is supposed to be the big recruiting year why handcuff him? If he has a losing season year 4 and can't have a breakthrough year 5 with a team 100% his kids, then you can him. Worst case you extend him in the Spring and 2012 is a disaster of a year. Then you fire him and eat 3 years. But if a booster is powerful enough to put heat on Marrone now, certainly they have the money to pick up that three year buy out.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

IMO, 6 or more wins next season and Marrone is safe. 3 or less wins and he's toast.

4-8 and 5-7 would be a gray area.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Yeah, this confused me too. We can't scrape together enough dinero to build new facilities, but we have "boosters" influential enough to put pressure towards the retention of the head coach?

That being said, if these "boosters" do exist, methinks they're making it harder on the staff than this board is, eh?

There are more then you would think, some are a part of the board of trustees and some are in touch with Gross. Not saying they are on the level of a CTO because they are probably not but trust me there opinions matter when were struggling to get some donations as is. Marrone is likely to get another year but another finish like this year and all bets are off.

 

[Scooch]

There are more then you would think, some are a part of the board of trustees and some are in touch with Gross. Not saying they are on the level of a CTO because they are probably not but trust me there opinions matter when were struggling to get some donations as is. Marrone is likely to get another year but another finish like this year and all bets are off.

Interesting, thanks.

I have a real hard time imagining Marrone not getting at least 5 years, as long as next year isn't a GRobian 2-10 disaster. I mean The Worst Head Coach I've Ever Seen In My Life (tm) got 4, and if *nothing* else Marrone is much better than him.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Interesting, thanks.

I have a real hard time imagining Marrone not getting at least 5 years, as long as next year isn't a GRobian 2-10 disaster. I mean The Worst Head Coach I've Ever Seen In My Life (tm) got 4, and if *nothing* else Marrone is much better than him.

The best thing for Marrone would be to sit down with his staff and come up with a new way of running the program. The strict disciplinarian way is not working on the field or off it and is even causing complaints to reach up the ladder to Gross and is the reason some kids are leaving. He needs to relax a bit and get this program under control. A lot of people still believe in him myself included but the same issues keep popping up.

 

[Alsacs]

Not a single doubt in my mind, Chandler is leaving because he doesn't enjoying playing for this coaching staff. If he enjoyed the college game and enjoyed his time in school he would stay for one more year and look forward to going on with a bowl victory. However, Chandler isn't an idiot and he sees next year being a struggle and wants to get paid because most likely staying wouldn't help him anymore in the draft. Plus, he has his degree I am a positive person, but from all people I have talked too the locker room is split and the HCDM needs to relent a little on his style or risk losing more players. I understand the discipline DM preaches, but obviously it hasn't connected with the kids we had too many PF and stupid mistakes. HCDM needs to be stern, but the let the kids have a little fun. It just seems his style caught up with him this year. Losing Chandler sucks and I honestly put this one on DM he needs to be the discipline man, but also show his pleasurable side.

 

[Scooch]

The best thing for Marrone would be to sit down with his staff and come up with a new way of running the program. The strict disciplinarian way is not working on the field or off it and is even causing complaints to reach up the ladder to Gross and is the reason some kids are leaving. He needs to relax a bit and get this program under control. A lot of people still believe in him myself included but the same issues keep popping up.

I'm with you re: relaxing. Marrone has been tight as a drum in October, and dangerously morose in November. Guy needs to take up yoga, or hookers, or something.

 

[Scooch]

Thing about discipline is that the two students who post here regularly seem to dismiss that angle, and I suspect they're more in tune with the feelings of players than a bunch of middle aged internet freaks.

Not that it's not an issue at all, but I'm torn on just how big a real deal it is.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Thing about discipline is that the two students who post here regularly seem to dismiss that angle, and I suspect they're more in tune with the feelings of players than a bunch of middle aged internet freaks.

Not that it's not an issue at all, but I'm torn on just how big a real deal it is.

Theres different types of Discipline, Knight and Bnoro are in touch with the program but doesnt necessarily mean there more in touch then other sources. Bees and GO have good info that I would put on par with anyone but I definitely respect what Knight and Bnoro bring thre usually spot on and add a level headed opinion.

 

[Scooch]

Theres different types of Discipline, Knight and Bnoro are in touch with the program but doesnt necessarily mean there more in touch then other sources. Bees and GO have good info that I would put on par with anyone but I definitely respect what Knight and Bnoro bring thre usually spot on and add a level headed opinion.

Makes sense, I suppose with 80+ kids in the program, along with a dozen+ coaches, staff, etc. perceptions of the program can be a lot like that old tale about the blind men and the elephant.

 

[bnoro]

Makes sense, I suppose with 80+ kids in the program, along with a dozen+ coaches, staff, etc. perceptions of the program can be a lot like that old tale about the blind men and the elephant.

The thing with me and Knight is that we don't have a grasp on every player. I know a couple players fairly well, and have spoken with others in class, etc. Even Mike Will was pretty cool with Marrone when he first got here (worked on a project with him in class). I think the discipline stuff is a bit overstated, but I think Marrone does need to take it down a notch. I do know, however that most of the players that are not on the two deep and will get their degrees (i.e. walkons and bottom of the roster players) appreciate Marrone and are pretty happy with the program under him.

 

[Chip]

Yeah, this confused me too. We can't scrape together enough dinero to build new facilities, but we have "boosters" influential enough to put pressure towards the retention of the head coach?

That being said, if these "boosters" do exist, methinks they're making it harder on the staff than this board is, eh?

Did we flip Burton yet? He likes to be involved with coaching decisions.

 

[Alsacs]

Marrone is a good coach, but his routine is running thin with these kids. I think he needs to just mix a little Pete Carroll to go with his Bill Parcells. If he was Nick Saban and had the creditability to be such a tough guy it would be one thing, but Marrone isn't on that level yet. Also, It doesn't shock me the non-2 deep kids like Marrone he isn't as tough on them as the starters they probably enjoy the fact he is tough on everyone. I just think Marrone has to be tough but also massage some of the egos of the better kids. Chandler left IMO because he got his degree and got sick of the coaching staff he has to love his teammates and school, but he isn't going to be a first day draft pick he is leaving because he wants off the ship. He is going to be drafted and will get paid next year, but he is giving up his chance to be an all-timer not that I blame him, but its on the coaching staff for him not wanting to put up with the drama another year and risk injury.

 

[Scooch]

I wouldn't invoke Parcells, he famously treated players very differently. Tough on some (e.g. Terry Glenn), easy on others (e.g. LT). I don't get the sense that's Marrone's style.

 

[Bayside44]

Does Syracuse even have any big football boosters anymore? Who are the big boosters, what defines a big booster? Seems strange to me

It doesnt take a lot of money to buy in at SU, conversely, not a lot of money isn't going to dictate the coach.

 

[GoSU96]

Marrone is a good coach, but his routine is running thin with these kids. I think he needs to just mix a little Pete Carroll to go with his Bill Parcells. If he was Nick Saban and had the creditability to be such a tough guy it would be one thing, but Marrone isn't on that level yet. Also, It doesn't shock me the non-2 deep kids like Marrone he isn't as tough on them as the starters they probably enjoy the fact he is tough on everyone. I just think Marrone has to be tough but also massage some of the egos of the better kids. Chandler left IMO because he got his degree and got sick of the coaching staff he has to love his teammates and school, but he isn't going to be a first day draft pick he is leaving because he wants off the ship. He is going to be drafted and will get paid next year, but he is giving up his chance to be an all-timer not that I blame him, but its on the coaching staff for him not wanting to put up with the drama another year and risk injury.

"sick of the coaching staff", How do you know any of that?
You do realize that he backed off this year and delegated more leadership responsibility to the players and assistants. His biggest mistake this year was thinking that his leadership training was far enough alone that there were kids were positioned to take over managing the lockerroom from Hogue, Smith and Long. If there is a reason why Nassib would lose his job, its more in this area than on than his on the field performance, which has improved every year.

Some of the stronger personalities on the team were also some of the most negative.

 

[bnoro]

Also, It doesn't shock me the non-2 deep kids like Marrone he isn't as tough on them as the starters they probably enjoy the fact he is tough on everyone. I just think Marrone has to be tough but also massage some of the egos of the better kids.

I didn't say that at all. The non-2 deep kids liked the discipline and structure, and being treated the same as the starters from what I heard. They had everything just as tough. As much as I don't want to make this comparison, Marrone seems to me like Belichick in that everyone is equal and no one's going to be held above anyone else because of their status on the team.

 

[Scooch]

I didn't say that at all. The non-2 deep kids liked the discipline and structure, and being treated the same as the starters from what I heard. They had everything just as tough. As much as I don't want to make this comparison, Marrone seems to me like Belichick in that everyone is equal and no one's going to be held above anyone else because of their status on the team.

Except, as a fellow Pats fan, you know that Belichick doesn't *really* treat everyone the same. No good coach does. You have to coach to personalities, and there always has to be some degree of different treatment. Not so that it's unfair, but so that it's human.

And it's usually predicated on talent and production. Unless you think Moss and, say, Haynesworth were treated the exact same.

 

[bnoro]

Except, as a fellow Pats fan, you know that Belichick doesn't *really* treat everyone the same. No good coach does. You have to coach to personalities, and there always has to be some degree of different treatment. Not so that it's unfair, but so that it's human.

And it's usually predicated on talent and production. Unless you think Moss and, say, Haynesworth were treated the exact same.

This is true. Heard a story once that Belichick was getting on the team bus and saw Randy behind the bus smoking a joint. He shook his head and got on the bus.