Yes & we also got MURDERED by 50 points in a few of them. That was an ugly 7-6 & this entire football program needs to start over ASAP. Gross needs to go first!! 15 minutes later, fire the entire coaching staff.
Gross has to pull the plug on Shafer
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Barring the same rash of injuries I don't see how we could possibly be as awful as this year. The experience that makes any team better is there in spades thanks to injuries this season. If we are, for any reason, even on par with this season then yes - HCSS has to go. A winning record and he stays. Any less and I am sure conversation will be had in November about next steps.
Lester and McDonakd BOTH started out fine but regressed as OC's. I would love to know why.
Also, the injury bug was rampant under GRob and it is back. I can't help but think there is a connection but I don't know enough about coaching/training to even speculate.
Lester and McDonakd BOTH started out fine but regressed as OC's. I would love to know why.
Also, the injury bug was rampant under GRob and it is back. I can't help but think there is a connection but I don't know enough about coaching/training to even speculate.
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SAVE US TOM COUGHLIN!!!
I know he doesn't want to recruit. I know he is old. I know its not the NFL. But if Coughlin just wants to coach and isn't in it for top money take this job at a somewhat reasonable price tag. Pay the assistants top dollar so they will recruit since your head coach at his age won't be on the road. Have a top assistant be a "head coach in waiting" since Tom probably won't coach long. And hand the program over to him lock, stock and barrel
I don't know how you make it work financially...but find a friggin way! A lot of smart people up there, find the money, find a way.
I know he doesn't want to recruit. I know he is old. I know its not the NFL. But if Coughlin just wants to coach and isn't in it for top money take this job at a somewhat reasonable price tag. Pay the assistants top dollar so they will recruit since your head coach at his age won't be on the road. Have a top assistant be a "head coach in waiting" since Tom probably won't coach long. And hand the program over to him lock, stock and barrel
I don't know how you make it work financially...but find a friggin way! A lot of smart people up there, find the money, find a way.
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If Larry Brown can go to SMU of all places and make them a Top 25 basketball team in a year, then SU football can turn it around with the right coach and resources.
I don't think it's Tom Coughlin but it's good to start looking.
Absolutely put in a call to Marshall's coach.
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We need a football Czar. Make it Tom Coughlin. Even if he doesn't want to coach I want him around this program full time. He is gonna be out of work soon and it makes too much sense. I want him sitting in on meetings.I want him helping place phone calls to recruits. I want him to work with the coaching staff.
all the focus on Shafer's record last year vs. this year is too crude to be helpful. As has been pointed out, oftentimes the margin between winning and losing lies in the "lucky" or "unlucky" breaks - in game injuries, bad calls, fluke plays, etc.
I'm not a delusional Syracuse fan. I understand there are some intrinsic disadvantages to Syracuse football (no local fertile recruiting grounds, private school, etc). I realize the team will not consistently put up 10 win season year in and year out, simply because Syracuse will never consistently have the talent to pull that off. I'm not expecting Shafer, or anyone, to be a miracle worker.
That being said, there are some marks of what a well coached team looks like. A team that maximizes their talent, whatever the level. A team that is well organized. A team that is disciplined. A team that is cohesive and maximizes whatever small advantages they have. They may not win because the otherside blows away the talent, but they maximize their chances
Shafer's teams - regardless of record - are not well coached. There is no unifying vision for the team. There is no attention to detail. There is no intelligence in utilizing talent and positioning it as best as it can be. Whatever the talent level is, it is not being managed and maximized to win games.
And THAT is the indictment. All the squabbling over record means nothing to me. The team is not well coached, and trending in the wrong direction (as that ridiculous punt makes obvious) regardless of whether or not he gets 2, 4, or even 6 wins, this year, last year, or any year.
I'm not a delusional Syracuse fan. I understand there are some intrinsic disadvantages to Syracuse football (no local fertile recruiting grounds, private school, etc). I realize the team will not consistently put up 10 win season year in and year out, simply because Syracuse will never consistently have the talent to pull that off. I'm not expecting Shafer, or anyone, to be a miracle worker.
That being said, there are some marks of what a well coached team looks like. A team that maximizes their talent, whatever the level. A team that is well organized. A team that is disciplined. A team that is cohesive and maximizes whatever small advantages they have. They may not win because the otherside blows away the talent, but they maximize their chances
Shafer's teams - regardless of record - are not well coached. There is no unifying vision for the team. There is no attention to detail. There is no intelligence in utilizing talent and positioning it as best as it can be. Whatever the talent level is, it is not being managed and maximized to win games.
And THAT is the indictment. All the squabbling over record means nothing to me. The team is not well coached, and trending in the wrong direction (as that ridiculous punt makes obvious) regardless of whether or not he gets 2, 4, or even 6 wins, this year, last year, or any year.
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TheCusian said:
We're overhauling the offense and losing our best recruiter.
Yeah there's never a good time but this might be the closest to ideal as we'll get.
It's not going to happen though. Gross would never do it this quick and I don't want him hiring the next guy anyway.
Okay list I guess. Their is nobody I would say Shafer is better than. Doeren and London have gotten commitments from several 4 star recruits. They may not be better game day coaches but I would call Shafer a bottom 3 ACC coach.
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They had the same starting QB both times we played them (MD). Campanello had 2 catches I think.
WE knocked out Williams and Campanello - alls fair on the field. We made our own break by hitting the crap out of them. Same as what happened to Connors today.
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London has sucked but he has recruited talent to UVA. Scott Shafer scrapped 7 wins last year we have not shown improvement in any phase of the game.
Doeren won 3 games last year and has 6 win now with 2 games left this season. I don't see how we have done better.
London has sucked but he has recruited talent to UVA. Scott Shafer scrapped 7 wins last year we have not shown improvement in any phase of the game.
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I can't believe I am saying it but at this point hire Greg Schiano.
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He'd recruit the hell out of New Jersey.
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At least we'd have respectable Special Teams.
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Shafer is the worst coach in the ACC. Doeren had a tough year last year, but the man had a 12 win season at NIU.
He's lost the fan base, and I've resigned myself that SU does not care about being competitive in football if they him coach another year.
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Just bring Marrone back after he gets canned in Buffalo 
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oh I brought his name up earlier this year just to see what everyone would think. While I hate the guy I wouldn't be totally against it. He has prior head coaching experience and has experience turning a program around. He wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't be up in arms either.
I think my response was fair after two people made my opinion which was fair and not just fire the guy for nothing post and I had two posters go after me. I admit when I am wrong but this time I stand by what I said in October.
he would be fine ONLY if he is not allowed to be the game day coach--he was bad at ru in that role(as well as tampa bay)---underachieving micro manager. on the upside he is great snake oil salesman recruiter, and excellent defensive coordinator. he never really won anything at ru---but really excellent at smoke and mirrors. he was a classic example of PERCEPTION IS REALITY.
