Hate to do this...moving the court...

[upperdeck]

So paraphrasing JB you want to give 15,000 donors worse seats so that 7,000 non-donors can benefit?

it happens in a lot of places.. why is su so different. our biggest hockey game is BU.. we okay them in MSG, lot of good my season tickets do.. msu/MICH hockey didnt complain when they moved the big game to a fball field.

 

[moqui]

there is a reason the phrase "stupid as a hockey fan" was coined

 

[rrlbees]

it happens in a lot of places.. why is su so different. our biggest hockey game is BU.. we okay them in MSG, lot of good my season tickets do.. msu/MICH hockey didnt complain when they moved the big game to a fball field.

Apples and oranges. Did the MSU/mich game get moved after the home school collected the money? No.

 

[rrlbees]

Wow. You are really passionate about this issue. However your opinion will always be biased being a season ticket holder and donor (To be fair)

Really need a neutral party.

Two neutral parties did chime in. JB and SU and it's not happening.

 

[rrlbees]

Syracuse University is going to be biased towards the donors (So i don't know how you could call them a neutral party)

I disagree with you. With some advanced planning to appease the Donors/Season Ticket holders. It will happen for a game prob versus Duke, North Carolina, or Louisville least once in the coming seasons.

Interesting. So donors shouldn't have a say. JB shouldn't have a say. And now SU themselves shouldn't have a say. Guess random bball fan should make the call.

Btw, you're confusing yourself. Your second paragraph is what the problem was this year. There was no advance planning. It might happen in the future if they plan ahead and make it appeasing to me.

 

[rrlbees]

Appeasing to me ? Hmm that sounds like the attitude that draws disdain from the Non Donor/Season Ticket crowd. Also Coach should def have a say (Being who he is) I have much more value and stock in his say than any donor. Also yeah Syracuse University does have a biased towards the donors. However still remains there is a lot more of us (Non Donor/Season Ticket Holders) then of you (Donors/Season Ticket Holders)

FYI, The reason many of us are not Donors/Season Ticket Holders. Especially like myself is not because we would not want to (Its because circumstances life/financial) precludes us from it.

I tossed that for me in there just for you.

JB agrees with me, so you should too.

And as has been said numerous times, donors are the lifeblood of the program. No donors no top program. Not a knock on those who can't donate but just a fact of life. So of course SU is going to look out for is as they should.

 

[Orangezoo]

I dont get how it makes any sense to do this. Who truly benefits? I doubt it is a recruiting pitch considering we are doing well already in that dept. It seems one of those things that sound so great until you see it live and then realize what a bad idea it was.

 

[CaptainJ]

Appeasing to me ? hmm interesting.

Also Coach should def have a say (Being who he is) I have much more value and stock in his say than any donor. Also yeah Syracuse University does have a biased towards the donors. However still remains there is a lot more of us (Non Donor/Season Ticket Holders) then of you (Donors/Season Ticket Holders)

FYI, The reason many of us are not Donors/Season Ticket Holders. Especially like myself is not because we would not want to be(Its because circumstances life/financial) precludes us from.

In an odd way, this reminds me of some of the dilemmas our founding fathers faced facilitating fair representation when dealing with logistical inequity.

And speaking of JB and our founders is a good reason not to infer wisdom in everything the man says. His figurehead vote here may(or may not) be the right call, but when he opened his mouth in an emotionally charged diatribe intent on further rape of the Constitution(2nd Amendment), I was reminded that the man is a basketball coach and even makes errors in his specialty, let alone peripheral matters or those unrelated to the game. I can love the man and be in awe at times even if at others I am aware he is completely in error.

Again, I haven't invested any emotion into listening to the opinions of others on this yet, but wanted to throw that caveat out there for anyone ingesting all of this. I won't bother with science and logistics, as a decent portion of Americans still buy the govenment stories over those of the sworn affidavits of thousands of engineers and other scientists, and dont even question why building 7 was left out of the report. When some folks make up their mind and have an emotional investment, facts in either direction start to take a back seat. The court of public opinion is often more disfunctional than our courts of revenue(formerly known as "justice").

 

[CaptainJ]

I dont get how it makes any sense to do this. Who truly benefits? I doubt it is a recruiting pitch considering we are doing well already in that dept. It seems one of those things that sound so great until you see it live and then realize what a bad idea it was.

Campus police, if you are reading it looks like we have a lead on one of the graffiti artists, although his thoughtful question was written in English this time, possibly to stay under the radar. Myself, I'm going out of my way to keep cui bono and the other teachings in peoples' hearts and minds even if unconsciously. Probably some of the more practical education available on campus when given proper thought, apparently enough for some to risk their freedom and/or other reprocussions over. I hope they at least held a discussion forum on each topic afterwards, so that Donna Ditota's coworker could no longer call them cryptic.

Anyhow, cui bono/who benefits is a good question to ask even if there isn't a controversy. Orangezoo is on point.

 

[upperdeck]

Apples and oranges. Did the MSU/mich game get moved after the home school collected the money? No.

what game has been moved at SU? i never said they should have moved it after they sold the ticket.. they didnt anticipate the demand, they probably do anticipate the complaining from the ones who own the best seats. they screwed up the duke game by letting the few who own season tickets buy all the extra tickets but that doesnt seem to be a problem to the season ticket holders.. but yeah they donate money so they should be able make a profit..

you can easily give the 5K who donate the best seats around center court. they will not get the primo seats they have now..

 

[KellySyracuse]

what game has been moved at SU? i never said they should have moved it after they sold the ticket.. they didnt anticipate the demand, they probably do anticipate the complaining from the ones who own the best seats. they screwed up the duke game by letting the few who own season tickets buy all the extra tickets but that doesnt seem to be a problem to the season ticket holders.. but yeah they donate money so they should be able make a profit..

you can easily give the 5K who donate the best seats around center court. they will not get the primo seats they have now..

I am one of those $100 football season ticket holders, this is my first year as a basketball season ticket holder. The low dough that it costs to go to football games got me early entry to buy my basketball ticket in a no donation section. So I'm one of those you describe above. It might be a good idea for SU to take advantage of the opportunity to promote the football games by luring the fair weathers with the basketball carrot pass that gives them advance sale.

By the way, this is the 5th year that I've had my football ticket and it baffles me that more people don't get in on that $100 deal. You can't beat it, it's the best deal in town.

 

[DoubleDee]

you can easily give the 5K who donate the best seats around center court. they will not get the primo seats they have now..

Of all the season tickets, only 5k require a donation? Or are you talking large donations in addition to the preferred charges?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I would still like to see a mock-up of the court where it currently is, but turned 90 degrees so that it follows the direction of the football field, but sits in the same general end-zone area of the dome. They could move the bleachers (in front of where the curtain used to be) back to accommodate the length and add more seats on the floor. Big donors could be moved to the new seats on the floor area.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I would still like to see a mock-up of the court where it currently is, but turned 90 degrees so that it follows the direction of the football field, but sits in the same general end-zone area of the dome. They could move the bleachers (in front of where the curtain used to be) back to accommodate the length and add more seats on the floor. Big donors could be moved to the new seats on the floor area.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Thanks! And those shaded areas in 116 and 101 are the typical block outs for the normal arrangement correct? I imagine that they would move to the 117/130 areas on the lower tier and then all of 320 and 336 could be added and some in the next ones over. Don't know how many seats that would add though. But that doesn't count the additional seats on the floor.

 

[Orangezoo]

what game has been moved at SU? i never said they should have moved it after they sold the ticket.. they didnt anticipate the demand, they probably do anticipate the complaining from the ones who own the best seats. they screwed up the duke game by letting the few who own season tickets buy all the extra tickets but that doesnt seem to be a problem to the season ticket holders.. but yeah they donate money so they should be able make a profit..

you can easily give the 5K who donate the best seats around center court. they will not get the primo seats they have now..

I think you are far too focused on this being bad just because of the donors. They certainly have a point but at the end of the day this benefits no one. I can guarantee you having been an SU student and having been to a number of the break the record games that there were quite a few tickets sold that were quickly posted for re sale or will be scalped on marshall. Centering the court and selling 50k tickets may be possible but you are likely to add more of those types of buyers and put a note in the history books that everyone can remember as the crappiest seating they ever had for a cuse game. I would much rather 35k rabid fans who are so glad they managed to get a ticket to cheer on SU vs 15k additional I was at the record game good time charlies.

 

[Orangezoo]

I would still like to see a mock-up of the court where it currently is, but turned 90 degrees so that it follows the direction of the football field, but sits in the same general end-zone area of the dome. They could move the bleachers (in front of where the curtain used to be) back to accommodate the length and add more seats on the floor. Big donors could be moved to the new seats on the floor area.

There is some possibilities here but thats a lot of floor seats and really takes the students out of the picture. Unless you can get bleachers with a very small pitch to set in front of where the students are now and the opposite of them that start lower that the rails of those front rows I am not sure you can make it work.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

There is some possibilities here but thats a lot of floor seats and really takes the students out of the picture. Unless you can get bleachers with a very small pitch to set in front of where the students are now and the opposite of them that start lower that the rails of those front rows I am not sure you can make it work.

I imagine it will be like the games at the final 4 - I remember someone saying the floor seats aren't great unless you are pretty close.

 

[rrlbees]

what game has been moved at SU? i never said they should have moved it after they sold the ticket.. they didnt anticipate the demand, they probably do anticipate the complaining from the ones who own the best seats. they screwed up the duke game by letting the few who own season tickets buy all the extra tickets but that doesnt seem to be a problem to the season ticket holders.. but yeah they donate money so they should be able make a profit..

you can easily give the 5K who donate the best seats around center court. they will not get the primo seats they have now..

No game was moved from SU but you tried to use the hockey game as an example.

You're also mixing 2 different subjects. One is moving the court. The argument by me and many others is you can't do that after collecting our donations which we make to have our seats for all games.

The second subject that you now interject has nothing to do with the first. That is the ability of season ticket holders to purchase 8 additional seats. I, as well as others, have said in any of the other 99 threads on the topic that that was not fair. 8 was far too many and now as we have seen, a lot of these people have now out them on stub hub for ridic prices trying to make a quick buck. They should have limited it to 2 or the number of seasons you have, or not done it at all.

 

[rrlbees]

There is some possibilities here but thats a lot of floor seats and really takes the students out of the picture. Unless you can get bleachers with a very small pitch to set in front of where the students are now and the opposite of them that start lower that the rails of those front rows I am not sure you can make it work.

All floor seats will do is block out other seats which defeat the purpose. Unless people are talking no rise floor seats like a concert which is a poor set up for a bball game. Bottom line is that there is no configuration where 15000 donors will have a comparable seat and most will be much worse.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

All floor seats will do is block out other seats which defeat the purpose. Unless people are talking no rise floor seats like a concert which is a poor set up for a bball game. Bottom line is that there is no configuration where 15000 donors will have a comparable seat and most will be much worse.

Probably true - but imagine how cool it will be to say you were there... So you could have that going for you...

 

[Orangezoo]

I still think the party pass idea (stealing wording from jerryland) except doing it with raised large projection tvs like they did for the final four and title games in 03 is the best solution. You add 5-10k more ppl at cheaper prices who can watch on the monitors from specified sections behind the curtain bleachers. This breaks records, lets them participate in the noise and not need binoculars to watch the game...

 

[Orangezoo]

All floor seats will do is block out other seats which defeat the purpose. Unless people are talking no rise floor seats like a concert which is a poor set up for a bball game. Bottom line is that there is no configuration where 15000 donors will have a comparable seat and most will be much worse.

Essentially without addressing the donors specifically that was my point. Was being appreciative of vt's creativity as well as he is trying to look at it from a compromise standpoint.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Essentially without addressing the donors specifically that was my point. Was being appreciative of vt's creativity as well as he is trying to look at it from a compromise standpoint.

I'm all about solutions.

 

[rrlbees]

Thanks! And those shaded areas in 116 and 101 are the typical block outs for the normal arrangement correct? I imagine that they would move to the 117/130 areas on the lower tier and then all of 320 and 336 could be added and some in the next ones over. Don't know how many seats that would add though. But that doesn't count the additional seats on the floor.

That setup doesn't add seats. They still wouldn't be able to sell tix in the other end zone. And it makes seats worse for many.