Have fun, ladies and gentlemen

[kingottoiii]

Ridiculous. Our rivalry with Va Tech in the 90s was 10x the "rivalry" we had with the Girls. It was even, it was heated,and there was significant dislike on both sides. Oh yea, and they were relevant (unlike the Girls). No reason we can't rekindle that.

Sure there is, we only play them once in 6 years now . I really hope they realign the divisions. Pitt lucked out IMO. I rather be playing Miami, GA Tech, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke than FSU, Clemson, BC, MD, NC St, Wake.

 

[xc84]

It's sad that we have to even consider them a peer.

I am ashamed of it as an SU fan.

 

[cuseguy]

You need to move to Boston or DC. You'll go from Rutgers rivalry minority to Rutgers is who again? majority. Your geographical location is the biggest driving force in keeping the dream (or nightmare) alive.

Chip, I take that back. I think a rivarly with Maryland is certainly possible. Just won't mean as much to me. The geography thing, ya know.

 

[Cuseman78]

Sure there is, we only play them once in 6 years now . I really hope they realign the divisions. Pitt lucked out IMO. I rather be playing Miami, GA Tech, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke than FSU, Clemson, BC, MD, NC St, Wake.

Fair point. The point is that geography isn't a prerequisite to rivalry formation.

 

[Cuseman78]

Chip, I take that back. I think a rivarly with Maryland is certainly possible. Just won't mean as much to me. The geography thing, ya know.

So I guess Syracuse-Gtown never meant much to you.

 

[Chip]

Chip, I take that back. I think a rivarly with Maryland is certainly possible. Just won't mean as much to me. The geography thing, ya know.

What will always turn people like me off to Rutgers is just knowing that for so long they were nothing. They were a big reason why the perception of the Big East stayed down all those years in the 90s when teams like Miami, VT, SU, some years WVU, some years BC were carrying the torch for the league. Shouldn't have been so vulnerable, and the hybrid was one reason. But those schools as well contributed in my mind, to why no one really took the Big East seriously. It was 25% of the league and they were worse than 1AA schools for much of the 90s. They barely tried. Just cashed their checks.

So for them to capitalize on the one time that SU dropped the ball, and suddenly turn themselves relevant, always felt fake to me. House of cards. May never tumble to its previous depths. But also is the big reason why that brand never took off. No one trusts it because they were dogsh for the first 100 years, and no matter what any long time Rutgers fan will tell you, no one in the college football world believed they were even trying to improve.

A school like Maryland, it's regional, a lot of SU alums in this area, and it has been an old rival who at least attempted to field a good team for much of its existence. Had bumps for sure, and is going through a few more now. Haven't we all? It will be a conference rival, that's all. We're never going to have anything like the big rivals. Just isn't really possible for a lot of reasons. But we should have some good conference rivalries, and I do think Maryland will be one that the fans of both schools look forward to. In both football and hoops.

 

[cuseguy]

So I guess Syracuse-Gtown never meant much to you.

SU-UConn means more.

 

[Cuseman78]

SU-UConn means more.

Disingenuous post if you are telling me that Gtown isn't/ wasn't a major rival. There are plenty of rivalries to be had in the ACC. A conference full of athletic brand names (unlike the conference we are leaving).

 

[cuseguy]

What will always turn people like me off to Rutgers is just knowing that for so long they were nothing. They were a big reason why the perception of the Big East stayed down all those years in the 90s when teams like Miami, VT, SU, some years WVU, some years BC were carrying the torch for the league. Shouldn't have been so vulnerable, and the hybrid was one reason. But those schools as well contributed in my mind, to why no one really took the Big East seriously. It was 25% of the league and they were worse than 1AA schools for much of the 90s. They barely tried. Just cashed their checks.

So for them to capitalize on the one time that SU dropped the ball, and suddenly turn themselves relevant, always felt fake to me. House of cards. May never tumble to its previous depths. But also is the big reason why that brand never took off. No one trusts it because they were dogsh for the first 100 years, and no matter what any long time Rutgers fan will tell you, no one in the college football world believed they were even trying to improve.

A school like Maryland, it's regional, a lot of SU alums in this area, and it has been an old rival who at least attempted to field a good team for much of its existence. Had bumps for sure, and is going through a few more now. Haven't we all? It will be a conference rival, that's all. We're never going to have anything like the big rivals. Just isn't really possible for a lot of reasons. But we should have some good conference rivalries, and I do think Maryland will be one that the fans of both schools look forward to. In both football and hoops.

Well said. I like the point where you said that it isn't possible to have big rivals for a lot of reasons. We're not a state school. It's tough to build a rivarly like Forida-Georgia or Oklahoma-Texas. In terms of the Big East, though, I think we were starting to build a rivarly with Rutgers. Never would have been huge, isn't now, but it was something.

 

[xc84]

What will always turn people like me off to Rutgers is just knowing that for so long they were nothing. They were a big reason why the perception of the Big East stayed down all those years in the 90s when teams like Miami, VT, SU, some years WVU, some years BC were carrying the torch for the league. Shouldn't have been so vulnerable, and the hybrid was one reason. But those schools as well contributed in my mind, to why no one really took the Big East seriously. It was 25% of the league and they were worse than 1AA schools for much of the 90s. They barely tried. Just cashed their checks.

So for them to capitalize on the one time that SU dropped the ball, and suddenly turn themselves relevant, always felt fake to me. House of cards. May never tumble to its previous depths. But also is the big reason why that brand never took off. No one trusts it because they were dogsh for the first 100 years, and no matter what any long time Rutgers fan will tell you, no one in the college football world believed they were even trying to improve.

A school like Maryland, it's regional, a lot of SU alums in this area, and it has been an old rival who at least attempted to field a good team for much of its existence. Had bumps for sure, and is going through a few more now. Haven't we all? It will be a conference rival, that's all. We're never going to have anything like the big rivals. Just isn't really possible for a lot of reasons. But we should have some good conference rivalries, and I do think Maryland will be one that the fans of both schools look forward to. In both football and hoops.

If Rutgers fans had any concept of their status in college football and that a few good W-L years v. a suspect schedule does not make a program good, then I would feel some fan "kinship" to them. As is, they are delusional s. I think they key to ACC rivals will be improvement by SU. We can have heated rivalries with any team in the league if we get back and even exceed what we had in the e.g. 90s.

 

[cuseguy]

Disingenuous post if you are telling me that Gtown isn't/ wasn't a major rival. There are plenty of rivalries to be had in the ACC. A conference full of athletic brand names (unlike the conference we are leaving).

Missed my point. Georgetown was and always will be ( I hope) a huge rival. As big as you get in college hoops. St. John's was, too, before they hit a bump. When all of your neighbors and co-workers are UConn fans, the game with them just means a little more. But in terms of rivalries, Gtown-SU is bigger than SU-UConn over the long haul.

 

[kingottoiii]

A school like Maryland, it's regional, a lot of SU alums in this area, and it has been an old rival who at least attempted to field a good team for much of its existence. Had bumps for sure, and is going through a few more now. Haven't we all? It will be a conference rival, that's all. We're never going to have anything like the big rivals. Just isn't really possible for a lot of reasons. But we should have some good conference rivalries, and I do think Maryland will be one that the fans of both schools look forward to. In both football and hoops.

I think a conference rival, that's all is short changing the potential here. The schools are similar academically. The schools are regionally located. The student bodies are being pulled from the same locations. The alumni are living in the same locations. The athletes come from the same locations. They have a NE mouthy fanbase unlike the other prim and proper ACC schools. They care very much about BBall and Lax. They lack a FB rival. Who they circling on the calendar? Their HC is a disliked SU alumn. They are a similar caliber program in FB, meaning games should be competitive year in and year out. They really are a perfect fit to be a rival school and not just a conference rival. Hopefully in 10 years, that is the case.

I hate that we are being pushed with BC. They are not even close to as good a fit. Both schools are private but they are Catholic, and get their student body from Catholic HSs. They circle ND on the schedule. They are mediocre in FB/BBall and have no fanbase what so ever. They care about hockey not Lax. I think it makes more sense for BC-Pitt to be TG weekend games. Maybe if/when ND/UConn come we can get this fixed to ND/Pitt, BC/UConn, and SU/MD.

 

[OrangeTim]

While I agree with much of the other things you said, I don't agree with this at all. Coaches don't make or break rivalries. rutgirls is not a rival other than on the internet. Anyone that has been an SU fan for more than the just the past few years knows our real rival had always been PSU (even if they didn't always see it that way). They are the team that all fans, the coaches, players and school loved to play...and beat. Even when they beat us something like 99 striaght times, they were a rival. Them going to the Big10 broke that rivalry, not a coach. After PSU, WVU was our other rival and there is a trophy to show that. No coach broke that rivalry either. Them going to the Big12 did. Those here who think rutgers is a rival, don't know what the term means. People are confusing peer with rival.

You are correct, sir. We elder fans can clearly remember Penn St. rivalry hate and one of the loudest, best whippings we put on them in 1987 when SU was undefeated other than that b/s tie in the bowl game.

 

[Chip]

I think a conference rival, that's all is short changing the potential here. The schools are similar academically. The schools are regionally located. The student bodies are being pulled from the same locations. The alumni are living in the same locations. The athletes come from the same locations. They have a NE mouthy fanbase unlike the other prim and proper ACC schools. They care very much about BBall and Lax. They lack a FB rival. Who they circling on the calendar? Their HC is a disliked SU alumn. They are a similar caliber program in FB, meaning games should be competitive year in and year out. They really are a perfect fit to be a rival school and not just a conference rival. Hopefully in 10 years, that is the case.

I hate that we are being pushed with BC. They are not even close to as good a fit. Both schools are private but they are Catholic, and get their student body from Catholic HSs. They circle ND on the schedule. They are mediocre in FB/BBall and have no fanbase what so ever. They care about hockey not Lax. I think it makes more sense for BC-Pitt to be TG weekend games. Maybe if/when ND/UConn come we can get this fixed to ND/Pitt, BC/UConn, and SU/MD.

I'm not sure if it really will end up mattering who we're being pushed with. We'll just have to see what develops. It's possible that Maryland does really turn into something. Edsall has them moving in a better direction after last year's disaster. Would stand to reason that they will continue to improve.

I only say "conference" rival because we can't re-create the history that the best rivalries have. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I just know that, in this particular set of eyes, having regional matchups with Maryland, BC, Pitt each year is going to be a thousand times more interesting than having regional matchups with RU and UConn. Everything else you get with the ACC is just gravy, including the green gravy. Straight cash homey.

 

[sutomcat]

You want to really rage? Read this: http://www.onthebanks.com/2012/10/10/3468934/the-paranoid-style-in-big-east-football

This is the most uninformed piece of drivel I have ever head, on any topic, ever.

I want the 5 minutes of my life I wasted reading that back.

 

[Scooch]

. When all of your neighbors and co-workers are UConn fans, the game with them just means a little more.

This is where I lose you, cuseguy. I live in CT too, so I experience the same dynamic as you do (although probably somewhat less since Fairfield County is not nearly the UConn hotbed as the rest of the state). But you're projecting your proximity to UConn, and Rutgers, fans as to why this is a "rivalry" to you. I bet most CNYers don't know any UConn or Rutgers grads. Any rivalry would be from what happens on the field/court, and our games with Rutgers have never, ever been meaningful.

Meanwhile there are lot of CNY transplants in the mid-Atlantic. I suspect once we start playing NC State, for example, they'll feel the same heat as you do with UConn.

Ultimately this is why I've been so frustrated in the Big East, particularly since 2005. I know zero Louisville, Cincy, DePaul and USF grads. I know one Marquette grad. Hell, I work in Manhattan and I don't know more than a few Seton Hall grads, and I can count on one hand the number of Providence grads I know.

Yet, I know several folks who went to BC, MD, UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake, even FSU. These are name-brand schools that actually have fanbases. It's why the ACC media deal is so valuable despite the on-field results being similar (at best) to the BE in recent years.

All of the rivalry stuff depends on SU being good. The reason why we developed a nice little rivalry with VaTech in the 90s was because we were playing meaningful games against them. If we end up back in the top 25 regularly, and play a similarly ranked Clemson team every year, for example, we'll develop the same kind of heat to that series. If Maryland gets good again, or BC, or Pitt, and we play meaningful games against them, we'll have some nice regional rivalries. All depends on the quality of us and the opponent.

 

[JD]

It would be awesome if we could get back to having an annual Penn State game on the schedule that was an actual rivalry the likes of which we have not seen since they left for the Big Whatever. There was actual dislike and 1987 was the greatest game ever. VT and HokieJoe came close but nothing like Penn State.

 

[gocraz4dasu]

You guys spend way too much time worrying about Rutgers. Let the Rutgers imbeciles try and figure out who spent more time GTL'ing and just win our game against them.

 

[cuseguy]

This is where I lose you, cuseguy. I live in CT too, so I experience the same dynamic as you do (although probably somewhat less since Fairfield County is not nearly the UConn hotbed as the rest of the state). But you're projecting your proximity to UConn, and Rutgers, fans as to why this is a "rivalry" to you. I bet most CNYers don't know any UConn or Rutgers grads. Any rivalry would be from what happens on the field/court, and our games with Rutgers have never, ever been meaningful.

Meanwhile there are lot of CNY transplants in the mid-Atlantic. I suspect once we start playing NC State, for example, they'll feel the same heat as you do with UConn.

Ultimately this is why I've been so frustrated in the Big East, particularly since 2005. I know zero Louisville, Cincy, DePaul and USF grads. I know one Marquette grad. Hell, I work in Manhattan and I don't know more than a few Seton Hall grads, and I can count on one hand the number of Providence grads I know.

Yet, I know several folks who went to BC, MD, UVA, UNC, Duke, Wake, even FSU. These are name-brand schools that actually have fanbases. It's why the ACC media deal is so valuable despite the on-field results being similar (at best) to the BE in recent years.

All of the rivalry stuff depends on SU being good. The reason why we developed a nice little rivalry with VaTech in the 90s was because we were playing meaningful games against them. If we end up back in the top 25 regularly, and play a similarly ranked Clemson team every year, for example, we'll develop the same kind of heat to that series. If Maryland gets good again, or BC, or Pitt, and we play meaningful games against them, we'll have some nice regional rivalries. All depends on the quality of us and the opponent.

Agree. We need to get good again in order to develop intense rivalries, and our opponents need to follow suit. Just getting a little sentimental as I prepare for my last game (most likely) at Rutgers. Not looking forward to watching most SU games on TV (rather than in person) over the next number of years.

 

[Scooch]

Agree. We need to get good again in order to develop intense rivalries, and our opponents need to follow suit. Just getting a little sentimental as I prepare for my last game (most likely) at Rutgers. Not looking forward to watching most SU games on TV (rather than in person) over the next number of years.

I get that going to UConn games is pretty easy (of course we've only played there 4 times in our history), but is trading Rutgers for BC that much of an ordeal? Boston and Piscataway are basically equidistant from central CT, no? And Boston is a helluva lot more fun.

Where else in the Big East are you going? Maryland and Pitt are closer than any trip to Tampa, Kentucky or Ohio.

 

[cuseguy]

I get that going to UConn games is pretty easy (of course we've only played there 4 times in our history), but is trading Rutgers for BC that much of an ordeal? Boston and Piscataway are basically equidistant from central CT, no? And Boston is a helluva lot more fun.

Where else in the Big East are you going? Maryland and Pitt are closer than any trip to Tampa, Kentucky or Ohio.

Maryland will work for football. Tougher than Rutgers for a weekend getaway, but doable. Highly unlikely I ever make to Maryland for a basketball game. BC isn't worthwhile for a hoops trip, and wouldn't be able to do it unless it was a Saturday. Awful atmosphere anyway. Discouraged by the fact the BC football game, it seems, will be played every year the day after Thanksgiving. Tough turnaround when we spend every Thanksgiving in Jersey with family. Pitt? Never been. Would like to do it for football, but again, crappy atmosphere. Not worth the trip for hoops.

I wish the BC football game would be scheduled for another weekend. But it's not my call.

 

[tipphill]

Ditto. Still don't know 1. They have the Rs on cars but only because they are a bandwagon state. Besides the core few, there are very few die hard Rutgers fans. See: avg attendance a decade ago. Makes our attendance look like Bama in comparison.

much like us ---a few die hards

 

[Cuseman78]

much like us ---a few die hards

We never averaged 18k. It's not like us.

 

[CuyahogaCuse]

I moved to NJ before 1st grade and have been living in NJ since. I still have yet to meet a Rutgers Football fan. Outside of the internet I still fail to believe they exist.

My company has a large office in Secaucus. I recently found out one of the senior level guys is a Rutgers fan/graduate. Guy is probably mid 40's. He knows I'm a rabid Cuse fan. He even went to the Cuse/USC game.

So, I'm talking to him this week, and in one breath, he says "Rutgers is BCS bound this year!" and in the very next breath, he says "yeah, one thing left on my sports bucket list is to get to an on-campus college football game."

There, my friends, is Exhibit A1 of why this SUNJ is so irrelevant. They have no roots to their fan base. Even Storz is more firmly grounded. And that's not saying much at all.

 

[RRRUUU]

Ditto. Still don't know 1. They have the Rs on cars but only because they are a bandwagon state. Besides the core few, there are very few die hard Rutgers fans. See: avg attendance a decade ago. Makes our attendance look like Bama in comparison.

Yet we are drawing over 50,000 fans for our home games and will draw another capacity crowd this Saturday in our expanded stadium. I was able to sell my two extra tickets for face($50/each) in 5 minutes for the UConn game. Seems like there is more then a "very few die hard Rutgers fans" who are coming out for our games...

What is SU's attendence been?

Still look like Bama?