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[Quietude]

Am I letting personal dislike color my perspective? I say BC finishes no better than 6-6 this year, but Athlon has them with five All-Americans, tied for third in the nation with teams like Alabama, Georgia, and Michigan??

First Phil Steele now this - am I missing something? Talent gap between their top guys and the rest of the team is what separates them from the top 30ish teams. That and coaching.

 

[SU94]

Am I letting personal dislike color my perspective? I say BC finishes no better than 6-6 this year, but Athlon has them with five All-Americans, tied for third in the nation with teams like Alabama, Georgia, and Michigan??

First Phil Steele now this - am I missing something? Talent gap between their top guys and the rest of the team is what separates them from the top 30ish teams. That and coaching.

I think their coaching is better than most here will admit to. Addazio is likely not a top 30 coach, but perhaps a top 50 HC? I like our guy better, but Addazio has a 3-year head start, which is important in recruiting. That is rather significant.

 

[JeffCuse]

BC wins 6 max

 

[Don]

BC is a borderline top 25 team if they stay healthy and there QB Brown progresses, they have a hard schedule and lack depth like we do in certain palces but they dont lack for really really good high echelon players all over the field. I dont think Addazio is a horrible coach and he has out recruited us for really good talent and they always seems to have good lines.

Look at scouting reports from the NFL and its not a stretch to say they could have 3 to 5 All Americans. Its not a stretch to say they can play with anybody when healthy and beat them.

The have top ten draft rated picks at their positions basically at RB, DE, S, TE, OG and maybe others . They have probably 4-6 first round picks on there team including 2-3 this year.

They are top 25 if there QB progresses they are top fifty and bowl bound if he doesnt in my opinion.

 

[Ish88888]

I think their coaching is better than most here will admit to. Addazio is likely not a top 30 coach, but perhaps a top 50 HC? I like our guy better, but Addazio has a 3-year head start, which is important in recruiting. That is rather significant.

BC has continued to do it with old-school meathead FB. While i hate them too, i respect them and Addazio. You have to. They battle the best ACC offenses with defensive stout inside and athletes in the secondary that can cover on an island. They have a good young qb and again have big, physical rbs, they premise on play action and compete well. They are always a tough out. They ran over us last year.

 

[Ish88888]

I think their coaching is better than most here will admit to. Addazio is likely not a top 30 coach, but perhaps a top 50 HC? I like our guy better, but Addazio has a 3-year head start, which is important in recruiting. That is rather significant.

Spot on...

 

[Ish88888]

Spot on...

This is a very good discussion!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Due to their style of play their ceiling is low.

 

[CA Monk]

Yeah I don't know how BC does it. They should be a doormat, but it seems no one is willing to be a doormat in the ACC. BC is the 5th best sports option at best in the Boston area. Mediocre facilities and fan support should relegate them to also ran status. Additionally, they're a private university with limited resources and yet Addazio & co. swamped us last year and pummeled FSU at Chestnut Hill. They also beat USC a few years ago. Their stud running back from CT, AJ Dillon, sure helps their cause. Recruiting to needs is a strength of theirs.
Here's a link explaining some of their success: Boston College football is on the rise, just as Steve Addazio planned - The Boston Globe

I still think SU is built for more success in the long run. We'll see.

 

[Trueblue25]

Bc has an outside chance of winning the atlantic. Hate it all you want

 

[orange79]

This is a very good discussion!

If you do say so yourself.

 

[RandomGuy]

It's about the trenches. You can't coach a kid to run a 4.3, but given time, you can coach good lines. Their lines are good. They are winning games.

In a fantasy football/stat world, I think people forget that football is a meathead game. Sure. You want the other stuff, but wins start on the lines. Won't be surprised if they win 8.

 

[cuse309]

Spot on...

This is a very good discussion!

Not only did you quote yourself...you actually complimented yourself on your previous quote!!! Well played sir.

 

[RandomGuy]

Yeah I don't know how BC does it. They should be a doormat, but it seems no one is willing to be a doormat in the ACC. BC is the 5th best sports option at best in the Boston area. Mediocre facilities and fan support should relegate them to also ran status. Additionally, they're a private university with limited resources and yet Addazio & co. swamped us last year and pummeled FSU at Chestnut Hill. They also beat USC a few years ago. Their stud running back from CT, AJ Dillon, sure helps their cause. Recruiting to needs is a strength of theirs.
Here's a link explaining some of their success: Boston College football is on the rise, just as Steve Addazio planned - The Boston Globe

I still think SU is built for more success in the long run. We'll see.

In the last 4 years, they've finished 14,13,14,14 in ACC recruiting. Coaching the fundamentals well, has given them 24 wins, to our 15, over that 4 year span. Nothing fancy. We beat them every year for recruiting. They've done it with less talent than us.

Well coached meathead football
should average a bowl, every year. Even with less talent.

 

[nzm136]

BC has continued to do it with old-school meathead FB. While i hate them too, i respect them and Addazio. You have to. They battle the best ACC offenses with defensive stout inside and athletes in the secondary that can cover on an island. They have a good young qb and again have big, physical rbs, they premise on play action and compete well. They are always a tough out. They ran over us last year.

I hate posts like this because “meathead” has strong negative connotations, especially on this board.

In reality, special teams aside, the only things that matter are how efficient the offense and defense are, how well they work together, and how well they fit/maximize the team’s current and potential talent.

Yards, points, etc. don’t matter in the abstract. But this forum insists on labeling anything that doesn’t put up insane numbers (in the abstract) as almost heretical, and certainly stupid and bad. That level of analysis is shallow at best, and it’s miskeading at worst.

And before anybody jumps on me for saying yards and points don’t matter in the abstract, ask yourself if you’d rather have 700 yards and 3 points or 150 yards and 35 points. Then ask yourself if you’d rather have 60 points vs a team w/ 70 or 7 points vs a team w/ 3.

 

[Orijinal]

In the last 4 years, they've finished 14,13,14,14 in ACC recruiting. Coaching the fundamentals well, has given them 24 wins, to our 15, over that 4 year span. Nothing fancy. We beat them every year for recruiting. They've done it with less talent than us.

Well coached meathead football
should average a bowl, every year. Even with less talent.

So it can be done with poor recruiting?
So you're saying there's always a chance?

 

[Hoo's That]

The picture I have in my mind about the BC of the past is that they "always" had huge linemen on both sides of the ball. Addazio seems to be going back to that idea. A good O Line can make up for a number of shortcomings. Open a wide-enough hole and just about any college running back can get you 4 yards. Given time and room to throw, just about any college QB can find an open man because the DBs can't cover the receivers forever. Put a "Matty Ice" behind a line like that and ...

Another thing to keep in mind, they're also one of just two Catholic schools that play "Big Boy Football", the only one on the East Coast. That doesn't hurt their chances with a lot of recruits, especially some of those big nasties you want on the O line.

 

[Hoo's That]

So it can be done with poor recruiting?
So you're saying there's always a chance?

Our board has this argument a lot lately with Bronco. A major portion of the ratings of recruting classes is "star power". If you're bringing in a bunch of 3-stars (which, I believe, means they should be contributors before they leave) to "coach'em up,", your class is going to be rated lower than one with a couple of 4- and maybe a 5-star recruits in it. Add it to the fact that there aren't a whole lot of 4- and 5-star linemen out there, you class doesn't look as good comparatively if you're reconstructing your line like Addazio has done and Mendenhall is doing.

Our board also has a big "In-state vs. Out-of-state" argument going as well, but that's a separate, non-germane issue.

 

[RandomGuy]

So it can be done with poor recruiting?
So you're saying there's always a chance?

We've recruited better than them the last 4 years. They've had good coaching with consistency.

There's a reason Cuse keeps talking about consistency in the run game, this year. When the line wins, we win.

I second what hoo's said. Minus, the religious part. TONS of BC students don't give a hoot about that. It's a good school.(average SAT score of 1440, to Cuse 1270)

NZM's post is 100%.

 

[Don]

They have the best running back in the conference and a good enough line that he may very well run for 2000 yards with there style of play . They counter that by having one of the best tight ends in the country and one of the best young receivers as well . If there qb delivers they are going to be a load for people to handle offensively.

 

[Orijinal]

If there qb delivers they are going to be a load for people to handle offensively.

They definitely have already become that ...a load to handle for many teams

 

[Alsacs]

Not only did you quote yourself...you actually complimented yourself on your previous quote!!! Well played sir.

Forgot to switch to burner account to respond.

 

[RandomGuy]

Per Athlon, they have 5 first team, all ACC. Same as Clemson. Next closest is 3.

They have a new ipf, weight room, and practice fields in the works. Weight room will be glassed in. Should be nice. Very happy we have a dome Reno...

Weight room looks huge. (11,625 SQ feet)

 

[Pyle]

Due to their style of play their ceiling is low.

Still sticking with it? Even after they pasted us last year with their style of play? Meatheads 42 ... FlashNDash 14. You and your fellow Offensively minded buddies have yet to prove your theory after 2 years...and we aren't running Bembo, Bell, and Patterson out there. We've had 2 of our most prolific WRs ever the past two years and can't win more than 4 games because defensively we are horrible, we hand the ball back to some of the best offenses in the game after 15 seconds and 3 failed passes. I'm hoping for more this year, no doubt I'm on board. But these comments about other teams style of play are absolutely laughable at this point.

Before you get into well this year mode.....Dino has never needed 3 years to implement his system. We are actually entering uncharted territory this year as he's never been anywhere as a coach for 3 years. I'm hoping for the best but it's entirely possible that his system has a ceiling too and it's G5.

 

[orange79]

Still sticking with it? Even after they pasted us last year with their style of play? Meatheads 42 ... FlashNDash 14. You and your fellow Offensively minded buddies have yet to prove your theory after 2 years...and we aren't running Bembo, Bell, and Patterson out there. We've had 2 of our most prolific WRs ever the past two years and can't win more than 4 games because defensively we are horrible, we hand the ball back to some of the best offenses in the game after 15 seconds and 3 failed passes. I'm hoping for more this year, no doubt I'm on board. But these comments about other teams style of play are absolutely laughable at this point.

Before you get into well this year mode...Dino has never needed 3 years to implement his system. We are actually entering uncharted territory this year as he's never been anywhere as a coach for 3 years. I'm hoping for the best but it's entirely possible that his system has a ceiling too and it's G5.

He's also never tried it at the P5 level. Big difference.