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Ohh. And I forgot to add, that context is also important with the type of football you play, based on the talent level of your team. To me, what Addazio is doing is smart, until he can get top tier QBs, Wrs, etc.
 
RandomGuy said:
:rolling::rolling::rolling:

My only disagreement, is that Baylor's last 5 years were good for 50-15. (Coincidentally, Briles started with back to back 4-8)
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Baylor was running a dirty program and took guys SU would never even sniff to get where they were. Are you kidding right now? Not the template I'm looking to follow
 
Pyle said:
Your odds/stats/whatever are skewed. Yes I get that some stats say it's better to go for it. But what those stats
fail to look at is all of the other circumstances which led to those decisions to go for it. Clemson playing against Richmond? Go for it. Alabama playing Georgia? Maybe not. You go for it more when everything else is already in your favor, TOP, talent levels, score at the time, etc. Another thing those stats don't account for is momentum. You can be marching down the field time after time, get bogged down by a penalty or two, go for it and not get it and the team quits on you. I think we've seen the dark side of go for it, how many points did we give up in last 5 games?
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You've perfectly articulated the difference in viewpoint, and I disagree with just about everything you said - stats are skewed, you go for it when everything else is in your favor, momentum, team quitting on you, the dark side, attributing the points we gave up at the end of the season to not being meatheads. Honestly, you've framed it perfectly.
 
RandomGuy said:
Ohh. And I forgot to add, that context is also important with the type of football you play, based on the talent level of your team. To me, what Addazio is doing is smart, until he can get top tier QBs, Wrs, etc.
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It's not smart. It's the illusion of competitiveness.
 
Pyle said:
Baylor was running a dirty program and took guys SU would never even sniff to get where they were. Are you kidding right now? Not the template I'm looking to follow
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Talking about system.
 
RandomGuy said:
Talking about system.
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Right, they recruited dirtbag athletes from Texas, basically what was passed over by Texas, TTech, etc. We do not have the luxury of getting very talented left-overs from the state of Texas and even if we did we wouldn't recruit the guys Baylor did on principle. I don't see the Baylor/SU comparison as being very valid. I will admit it does prove the system can work at the P5 level, just not the way we would implement it.
 
Pyle said:
42-14. They stomped us. In the dome. You don't want to contribute the loss to our system, you don't want to give BC credit, so exactly what happened?
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They won a game. We were a depleted team and lost a game. So what?

Here's a stat that's probably of interest - Addazio's BC record is 31-33. His best season record? 7-6

Low cieling. Low.
 
I'm curious. The forward pass is a new fangled invention for a school like Nebraska. (Minus what happened with Riley). Run for more than they pass. Are they "meathead"?

Georgia runs 68% of time. Are they meathead?
Alabama runs 64% of the time. Meatheads?
Both teams in the National Championship game ran it more than BC.

I'm having a very difficult time understanding your definition or applying the logic of low ceiling to it.
 
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OttoinGrotto said:
They won a game. We were a depleted team and lost a game. So what?

Here's a stat that's probably of interest - Addazio's BC record is 31-33. His best season record? 7-6

Low cieling. Low.
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Curb stomped by meatheads. All I want you to do is keep that one in the back of your mind. Gave up 60+ to Wake too. Sometimes...lengthening the field and limiting the other teams possessions isn't as bad as you make it out to be. You keep talking about ceilings, i'm still worried about getting out of the basement. 0-8 in Nov. 8-16 overall. Everyone whined about the blowouts under P. I don't really care if we are getting blown out because of the dusty 3 yard offense of Deleone, or the give the ball to Lamar Jackson too many times in the first 5 minutes. It sucks either way.
 
RandomGuy said:
I'm curious. The forward pass is a new fangled invention for a school like Nebraska. (Minus what happened with Riley). Run for more than they pass. Are they "meathead"?

Georgia runs 68% of time. Are they meathead?

I'm having a very difficult time understanding your definition or applying the logic of low ceiling to it.
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I'm not sure why you continue to suggest I'm equating the run game with meathead. Chip Kelly's Oregon teams ran like crazy. They weren't meathead.
 
Pyle said:
Curb stomped by meatheads. All I want you to do is keep that one in the back of your mind. Gave up 60+ to Wake too. Sometimes...lengthening the field and limiting the other teams possessions isn't as bad as you make it out to be. You keep talking about ceilings, i'm still worried about getting out of the basement. 0-8 in Nov. 8-16 overall. Everyone whined about the blowouts under P. I don't really care if we are getting blown out because of the dusty 3 yard offense of Deleone, or the give the ball to Lamar Jackson too many times in the first 5 minutes. It sucks either way.
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You don't fight meathead by going meatierhead.

Look, if we weren't the only P5 that plays in a Dome, going meathead is still a limiting decision, but whatever. Since we have a COMPLETELY UNIQUE HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE, we need systems that plays to that. That system ain't meathead.

What our program has done is akin to the Red Sox deciding for decades to take right handed power hitters out of their lineup.
 
RandomGuy said:
In the last 4 years, they've finished 14,13,14,14 in ACC recruiting. Coaching the fundamentals well, has given them 24 wins, to our 15, over that 4 year span. Nothing fancy. We beat them every year for recruiting. They've done it with less talent than us.

Well coached meathead football
should average a bowl, every year. Even with less talent.
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i much prefer meathead football to what we do. just my bias
 
OttoinGrotto said:
I'm not sure why you continue to suggest I'm equating the run game with meathead. Chip Kelly's Oregon teams ran like crazy. They weren't meathead.
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Because I don't understand your meathead definition. I thought it was run heavy teams.(Adazzio)

Is it conservative coach decisions, that you don't like? More traditional formations? If you line up in the Spread, and run it 60% of the time, are you meathead?

I'm not joking. If you run the option, are you not meathead? Do you need 3 or 4 wide to not be meathead? If your TE lines up 60% of the time to block, are you meathead?

I've always thought of meathead as run, run, run.

In 2012, only 3 teams passed more than Chip Kelly. So again, I keep thinking you mean pass,pass,pass.
 
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OttoinGrotto said:
You don't fight meathead by going meatierhead.

Look, if we weren't the only P5 that plays in a Dome, going meathead is still a limiting decision, but whatever. Since we have a COMPLETELY UNIQUE HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE, we need systems that plays to that. That system ain't meathead.

What our program has done is akin to the Red Sox deciding for decades to take right handed power hitters out of their lineup.
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Based on what you just said...I have to say...the Dome is perfect for punting too....:p

The only issue I have with your Red Sox analogy...we haven't really had any right handed power hitters. AET and Ishmael come close but those guys couldn't even get drafted so not really no.
 
Pyle said:
Based on what you just said...I have to say...the Dome is perfect for punting too...:p

The only issue I have with your Red Sox analogy...we haven't really had any right handed power hitters. AET and Ishmael come close but those guys couldn't even get drafted so not really no.
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The Dome actually is perfect for punting. You got me there.

With the Sawx and Fenway analogy, the idea was that we needed to have the system to take advantage of our field conditions. Of course we don't have the "right handed power hitters" - we weren't doing what we needed to attract them.

I do believe that's changing, because we have the system that appeals to those players.
 
RandomGuy said:
Because I don't understand your meathead definition. I thought it was run heavy teams.(Adazzio)

Is it conservative coach decisions, that you don't like? More traditional formations? If you line up in the Spread, and run it 60% of the time, are you meathead?

I'm not joking. If you run the option, are you not meathead? Do you need 3 or 4 wide to not be meathead? If your TE lines up 60% of the time to block, are you meathead?

I've always thought of meathead as run, run, run.

In 2012, only 3 teams passed more than Chip Kelly. So again, I keep thinking you mean pass,pass,pass.
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It's the mentality. Kill clock, but save your best chance for later. Make choices that benefit your defense, but limit your opportunities to put points on the board. When in doubt, punt. Embrace rock fights.

That's meathead.
 
Meathead or no meathead, I've enjoyed watching Babers offense a lot more than the offenses we've put on the field for the past 16 years, with the possible exception of Marrone's last year with Nassib. Dungey is a large part of that.

No matter what offense we've tried to run over the last decade and a half the vast majority of those years we've had well below average quarterbacking...and not very good offensive lines. A recipe for boring football and a bad W-L record.
 
Pyle said:
Baylor was running a dirty program and took guys SU would never even sniff to get where they were. Are you kidding right now? Not the template I'm looking to follow
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The athletes Briles brought in that turned the program into a winner, (on the field mind you) definitely had character issues (putting it mildly), but the caliber of athlete they signed that lead to those 10 win teams, were the same caliber that Syracuse has been getting, if you put any stock into the recruit rankings. I could be wrong, but I don't recall them getting in trouble for recruiting infractions, thus landing stud athletes. His first class he brought in was ranked 58th, Second class was ranked 53rd, third class was 38th, and 4th class was 46th. Those classes made up the teams that went 10-3, 8-5, 11-2, 11-2, 10-3. We can absolutely recruit on that level.
 
bevosu said:
I've enjoyed watching Babers offense a lot more than the offenses we've put on the field for the past 16 years, with the possible exception of Marrone's last year with Nassib.
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And those Babers offenses aren't even good yet!
 
I enjoy winning. You guys are so caught up in football aesthetics. BC has outpaced us with talent no matter how they are deploying it. The most beautiful thing to me is when a team can out run another team just because the o-line is dominating the other team off the ball.

BC is gonna win some games this year b/c they have top shelf talent. We have little to no top flight/NFL talent right now. BC now has the facilities to compete with us as well which is dangerous b/c they always were very low in that department.

Watch out for these guys.
 
elimunelson said:
I enjoy winning. You guys are so caught up in football aesthetics. BC has outpaced us with talent no matter how they are deploying it. The most beautiful thing to me is when a team can out run another team just because the o-line is dominating the other team off the ball.

BC is gonna win some games this year b/c they have top shelf talent. We have little to no top flight/NFL talent right now. BC now has the facilities to compete with us as well which is dangerous b/c they always were very low in that department.

Watch out for these guys.
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BC's best seasons under Addazio have been 7-6. I mean, yeah, that's winning, but it's not like, winning
 
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