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[TheCusian]

I don’t care about the Clemson win when we can’t win enough for bowl eligibility. It’s great for the brand but we didn’t do enough down the stretch. To be fair to Steve, he did beat USC OOC in his first year. Not Clemson but a big time win.

I’m not trying to make the case that BC is the new Clemson. I’m just trying to illustrate they are better than us right now and Addazio has coached up some of their talent at a higher clip than us. Not sure we go bowling last year w their schedule. Our depth as everyone has told me fell apart in November. We lost to CMU and played a very mediocre, at the time, LSU who was there to be beaten.

Not sure why everyone hates him. He actually respects Syracuse and would have coached us if the timing worked out. I’m a Boston guy and still root for BC to be competitive every game except the Syracuse one.

That’s *not* the point you’ve been making. No one here has been arguing that we are better than them right now.

If you’re arguing that Dino hasn’t shown us anything and you leave out two signature wins as not being proof of *something* ... I don’t know where to go from there. Is playing a poor OOC and squeaking into a bowl a better sign than a huge win the like we have had since coach Mac?

I want to see a bowl game this year and Dino has a lot to prove yet. But I prefer near everything else to Addazzio and his philosophy.

 

[Alsacs]

If you want sustained mediocrity then a coach like Addaizo can appeal to you.
I feel like Addaizo could have a 9-10 win team but his philosophy will cost his team a 1-2 games with how they play.
I know why Dino has equal talent he knows what to do see Eastern/Bowling Green.
He took over a roster devoid of NFL prospects and is working on the rosters.
The recruiting rankings can say whatever BC has brought in more talent and NFL picks. It’s not coaching at BC Addaizo is under 500 just like Dino. Spaziano couldn’t coach but brought in some NFL talent. People don’t get how much the NFL has rejected our guys since 2012.
That is 5 years now. Dino is infusing talent to get on us more talent.
Scott Shafer being named coach in January 2013 was a big time set back for Syracuse football.

 

[Cusefan69]

Syracuse NFL draft picks since 2014View attachment 131245
BC NFL draft picks since 2014

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14 NFL draft picks for BC.
4 NFL draft picks for SU.
Anybody who thinks we have had equal talent to BC just loves Shafer.
Shafer had one non-punter drafted and I am happy for Zaire. We haven’t had NFL draft talent.

If you take both sets of data, the above number of draft picks/draft position and the compared draft classes for the same period, doesn’t it reasonably lead to a conclusion that the BC staff has done a better job of developing talent than Syracuse? Take coaches names out of the equation and just look at numbers. The numbers frame an interesting picture. Now two years from now, after HCDFB has had time to work is plan fully the picture will likely start to change but I think it is fair to give BC credit if we are not only orange tinted fans of football. To be clear, I like what HCDFB is doing and I think people will be surprised now that we are developing our oline, how many touches our rbs will get this year.

 

[TheCusian]

I don’t care about the Clemson win when we can’t win enough for bowl eligibility. It’s great for the brand but we didn’t do enough down the stretch. To be fair to Steve, he did beat USC OOC in his first year. Not Clemson but a big time win.

I’m not trying to make the case that BC is the new Clemson. I’m just trying to illustrate they are better than us right now and Addazio has coached up some of their talent at a higher clip than us. Not sure we go bowling last year w their schedule. Our depth as everyone has told me fell apart in November. We lost to CMU and played a very mediocre, at the time, LSU who was there to be beaten.

Not sure why everyone hates him. He actually respects Syracuse and would have coached us if the timing worked out. I’m a Boston guy and still root for BC to be competitive every game except the Syracuse one.

Also: we lost to Middle Tenn not CMU. We housed them. LSU has far superior talent - BC would have had a tough time with them down there.

I’ll take a look at the numbers, but our SOS under Dino has been way, way higher than any SU coach in the last 20 years. BC has had common conference opponents - but they’ve helped Addazzio with very favorable OOC. I’d bet a lot that the difference between the two is more about that than anything else. And at least we got one elite scalp.

 

[nzm136]

You are. You must be concussed.

I’m definitely confused. But I’m not sure if it’s more of a reflection of you or me. I’ll give you another swing.

My point is:
There’s more than one way of looking at virtually any system, including the one that you dismissively call “meatheaded.” They all have strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, there is no magic perfect system.

Your point is:
...

 

[nzm136]

I don’t care about the Clemson win when we can’t win enough for bowl eligibility. It’s great for the brand but we didn’t do enough down the stretch. To be fair to Steve, he did beat USC OOC in his first year. Not Clemson but a big time win.

I’m not trying to make the case that BC is the new Clemson. I’m just trying to illustrate they are better than us right now and Addazio has coached up some of their talent at a higher clip than us. Not sure we go bowling last year w their schedule. Our depth as everyone has told me fell apart in November. We lost to CMU and played a very mediocre, at the time, LSU who was there to be beaten.

Not sure why everyone hates him. He actually respects Syracuse and would have coached us if the timing worked out. I’m a Boston guy and still root for BC to be competitive every game except the Syracuse one.

“Everyone” hates him because certain posters have trouble admitting that we’re not always winning all of the time. Since Addazio represents SU’s past approach in more ways than one, he must therefore be bad. Otherwise, the new approach isn’t inherently good/better, which means we aren’t always winning all of the time.

It’s the same reason why a certain element of our fan base spends 3-4 years praising coaches, only to turn on the very same coaches mere moments after they’re fired.

I have some of my own theories as to why someone would have trouble admitting that we don’t always win, but I’ll leave you to your own devices to come up with your own.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I’m definitely confused. But I’m not sure if it’s more of a reflection of you or me. I’ll give you another swing.

My point is:
There’s more than one way of looking at virtually any system, including the one that you dismissively call “meatheaded.” They all have strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, there is no magic perfect system.

Your point is:
...

Look, this stopped being fun a while ago. I've been posting a perspective on this for years. We have the coach in place with the mentality to improve our program, so I'm in a good place. I get that there are parts of our fanbase that are never going to get it.

 

[nzm136]

Last 4 years 14 NFL draft picks with a 24-27 record.
Great job Addaizo.

Give Dino talent I know he is doing better than that.
Dino inherited a team devoid of NFL draft pick talent.
His best offensive player year 1 he brought in as a grad transfer.
His system made Erv Philips and Steve Ishmael into all conference players.
The guy is increasing our talent.
Ravian Pierce is likely to become our first skill position draft pick since Delone Carter SEVEN years ago.
He is a Dino recruit.

***increasing our talent***

IMHO, THAT is what Dino’s system is designed to do. I don’t think that we’ll consistently beat teams due to our X’s and O’s. We’ll beat them because Dino will be able to bring in high level talent.

We will have a 4* QB experience throwing to 4* WRs and handing the ball to 4* RBs, who will be blocked by an OL that’s markedly better than past SU OL’s in the near future. That kind of multi-front attack will be very, very hard to stop. And, when combined with the level of defense that we’re already playing (even if we don’t improve - unlikely), will translate into some very good Syracuse teams. I’m talking 1990’s good.

And that isn’t just my faith without evidence. The groundwork and foundation are already very clearly in place.

 

[nzm136]

Look, this stopped being fun a while ago. I've been posting a perspective on this for years. We have the coach in place with the mentality to improve our program, so I'm in a good place. I get that there are parts of our fanbase that are never going to get it.

This is my point. You’ve been posting perspective on this for years, but you’ve clearly never really critically thought about your position, which spawned my original post. Granted, that post was a reply to a different poster, but you two (and others) have the exact same mentality. I get that being forced to think is painful, but living in denial is embarrassing, or at least it should be.

You, and posters like you, are the guys who exalted SS’ family atmosphere that was critical to bringing in better recruits than DM brought in. But before that, you guys were confident that DM was loyal and content in his dream job, finding diamonds in the rough. And before that you guys were excited about GRob’s new offensive system that would break from P’s tired, dated 1980’s era option attack. Notice a pattern? I do.

Like every other school, we don’t have magic, and just like every other group of fans on the planet, we aren’t intellectually superior to the team of guys who collectively get paid many millions of dollars a year to do nothing but learn about football, and think about the team. Put down the Kool Aid.

 

[RandomGuy]

Oh, geez. "Hand in the Dirt" is straight out of the meathead manifesto.

NFL wants tackles in a 3 point. Tackles are under developed in spread systems.

NFL = meathead.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

“Everyone” hates him because certain posters have trouble admitting that we’re not always winning all of the time. Since Addazio represents SU’s past approach in more ways than one, he must therefore be bad. Otherwise, the new approach isn’t inherently good/better, which means we aren’t always winning all of the time.

It’s the same reason why a certain element of our fan base spends 3-4 years praising coaches, only to turn on the very same coaches mere moments after they’re fired.

I have some of my own theories as to why someone would have trouble admitting that we don’t always win, but I’ll leave you to your own devices to come up with your own.

Here's my last comment on the subject: I hate Addazio's style because it's boring and doesn't actually win to any meaningful degree.

You, and posters like you... you guys were confident that DM was loyal and content in his dream job, finding diamonds in the rough.

You're saying that to me?

You clearly don't know me as well as you think.:rolling:

 

[TheCusian]

“Everyone” hates him because certain posters have trouble admitting that we’re not always winning all of the time. Since Addazio represents SU’s past approach in more ways than one, he must therefore be bad. Otherwise, the new approach isn’t inherently good/better, which means we aren’t always winning all of the time.

It’s the same reason why a certain element of our fan base spends 3-4 years praising coaches, only to turn on the very same coaches mere moments after they’re fired.

I have some of my own theories as to why someone would have trouble admitting that we don’t always win, but I’ll leave you to your own devices to come up with your own.

I’ll speak for myself.

- we play indoors. A fast system has always made more sense. In fact, our success in the dome with Mac and early P using the “freeze option” and athletes at QB actually bolsters this point so...
- Addazzio doesn’t represent some distant Syracuse past I don’t like. He fits more in the BC/Penn State Big Ten and NE football kind of history that does not make a lot of sense for us.
- The Dome is something we have no one else in CFB has. It makes sense to use it to differentiate between us and NE football. So while many systems are not inherently better - I believe 1000% that this system inherently better for us than Addazzio’s.

Some people have watched so much Meathead ball that they feel personally attacked when others don’t care for it or have a differing opinion on the DUDE

 

[TheCusian]

It’s the same reason why a certain element of our fan base spends 3-4 years praising coaches, only to turn on the very same coaches mere moments after they’re fired.

I have some of my own theories as to why someone would have trouble admitting that we don’t always win, but I’ll leave you to your own devices to come up with your own.

Should probably respond to these two lines, lol.

I tend to support whoever the coach is until I lose faith in them. I go 100% in until they lose me. I never lost faith in Marrone - but I do think his success here has been mythologized a bit. I was with SS until mid way through year 3.

I don’t know about that last line. I have no problem diagnosing the many reasons why we’ve sucked the last 15+ years. I also always believe we’re on the rise. Some think this optimism is a negative fault of mine. But I don’t really care.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

NFL wants tackles in a 3 point. Tackles are under developed in spread systems.

NFL = meathead.

That is true.

 

[Quietude]

Also: we lost to Middle Tenn not CMU. We housed them. LSU has far superior talent - BC would have had a tough time with them down there.

I’ll take a look at the numbers, but our SOS under Dino has been way, way higher than any SU coach in the last 20 years. BC has had common conference opponents - but they’ve helped Addazzio with very favorable OOC. I’d bet a lot that the difference between the two is more about that than anything else. And at least we got one elite scalp.

I live in Boston and I'm forever tired of hearing about BC and their upcoming breakout season. I've also posted several times stating I am no fan of the school. However, claiming the difference between our level of success and theirs is a function of scheduling (at least last year as that is the only one I checked) is a joke.

According to Sagarin, we had the 8th toughest schedule, they had the 16th. Let's stop just making up excuses. Love Dino, but if he was 4-8 with our schedule last year he wouldn't have been much better with BC's. It's not like Rutgers under Schiano.

NCAAF Sagarin - NCAAF Football - USA TODAY

50/50 that link works but it's Sagarin so just use the Google machine.

Remember, their cross divisional rival is VT. So they probably figure playing one more joke OCC game is justified when you're locked in with VT, Clemson, FL St., and Louisville every year.

 

[TheCusian]

I live in Boston and I'm forever tired of hearing about BC and their upcoming breakout season. I've also posted several times stating I am no fan of the school. However, claiming the difference between our level of success and theirs is a function of scheduling (at least last year as that is the only one I checked) is a joke.

According to Sagarin, we had the 8th toughest schedule, they had the 16th. Let's stop just making up excuses. Love Dino, but if he was 4-8 with our schedule last year he wouldn't have been much better with BC's. It's not like Rutgers under Schiano.

NCAAF Sagarin - NCAAF Football - USA TODAY

50/50 that link works but it's Sagarin so just use the Google machine.

Remember, their cross divisional rival is VT. So they probably figure playing one more joke OCC game is justified when you're locked in with VT, Clemson, FL St., and Louisville every year.

That’s probably a game or two, IMO.

Let’s replace LSU with a G5 school. And then the last possession losses to FSU or MTSU loom even larger.

Pitt = VaTech, mostly