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Here’s the question….who’s in control of the team on the court..,

Someone has to take control on the court.

There’s no flipping way we get the ball to William Kyle and Neither JJ or Nait get the ball.

It’s not Kiyan’s fault that neither of the others got the ball.

It looks like JJ is the designated go to guy, but JJ either can’t or isnt willing to get the ball in that situation. It looks like Nait is deferring to JJ, which I think is a bad idea.

Whatever the case, neither of those two stepped up when somebody has to step up. And that really falls on the head, Coach.

I think we all know the team will be better as George becomes more "in charge". He has shown that in some games, but he and Sadiq are the 2 main guys who have been sick with the flu.
George got a horse collar today. That's why Autry sat him for the 4th quarter of the game.
 
Have we ever had a structured inbounds play over the last 30 years?

I don't think JJ worked that hard to get open after Kyle had the ball, but a little off ball screen for him could've been drawn up in the huddle. I'm perfectly fine with JJ not having the ball in his hands though.

Of course we do.
Maybe some of you folks don't know what a play looks like when you're watching the game.
 
If you bring in a transfer PG to be your floor general he needs to be out there. Going into the season you think Donnie, George and Kingz are all in the game in that situation.

We ended up with Kyle and JJ as the only two out there from our projected closing lineup.
 
Seems clear that no one is “in control”. That last possession was a complete and utter embarrassment.

This team has no clue, offensively. Half our possessions feature one dude dribbling and dribbling while 4 guys stand around. Whatever “system” we’re running sucks. And it’s been 3 years of it.
It’s been 10 years JB ran the same crap
 
The back to back long three point attempts by Kiyan and George at the ten minute mark, down eight, coming out of a time out, with having success going inside, was either the most egregious strategy of coaching, or the most selfish plays by basketball players that I have seen. I believe both were subbed out shortly afterwards.
 
The back to back long three point attempts by Kiyan and George at the ten minute mark, down eight, coming out of a time out, with having success going inside, was either the most egregious strategy of coaching, or the most selfish plays by basketball players that I have seen. I believe both were subbed out shortly afterwards.

We get down.

We panic.

We try to get the lead back all at once.

Chipping away inside was working, but we went away from it.

Kiyan is a rookie. But Naithan should know better.
 
I just looked at the replay and realized that Nate George wasn’t even on the court.

Someone will have to verify this for me, but I believe after the five second violation, we had the ability to substitute

Red has to get George on the court or at least use that substitution as an ability to organize the troops.

It was chaos. He’s been coaching for three years now he should have that figured out.
Why? George played horrible last night. Tell me a game that he’s played well against a good team with a pulse? He can’t get by his man and he can’t shoot. He can lob pass and that’s the all he does. He’s always late closing out on shooters. He’s been the biggest portal miss in the ACC. Half the time he acts like he’s not trying. All the George hype is becoming old.
 
Why? George played horrible last night. Tell me a game that he’s played well against a good team with a pulse? He can’t get by his man and he can’t shoot. He can lob pass and that’s the all he does. He’s always late closing out on shooters. He’s been the biggest portal miss in the ACC. Half the time he acts like he’s not trying. All the George hype is becoming old.
Have to put most of the blame on the coaching staff for that. This is the worst he’s played since he’s been in college.
 
We get down.

We panic.

We try to get the lead back all at once.

Chipping away inside was working, but we went away from it.

Kiyan is a rookie. But Naithan should know better.
Very frustrating. I realize that these guys mindset is that they are going to make every shot they take, but shooting a three from 27 feet with 20 seconds on the shot clock is something that Steph Curry probably wouldn't take. Especially, not with ten minutes to go in the game. Nait George, definitely should have known better. And Kiyan also. I wasn't watching Melo, but I know he probably just closed his eyes for a second after Kiyan's miss. And I felt bad for Kiyan. He was much more aggressive and did a lot of good things, but when he takes a bad shot or let's his guy gets past him on defense, his bad plays are really bad.
 
Someone has to take control on the court.

There’s no flipping way we get the ball to William Kyle and Neither JJ or Nait get the ball.

It’s not Kiyan’s fault that neither of the others got the ball.

It looks like JJ is the designated go to guy, but JJ either can’t or isnt willing to get the ball in that situation. It looks like Nait is deferring to JJ, which I think is a bad idea.

Whatever the case, neither of those two stepped up when somebody has to step up. And that really falls on the head, Coach.

Exactly right. I posted in the game or post game chat about why Anthony ended up with the ball? I mean, supposedly its JJ or Nates team? Did Red draw it up that way?

Actually don't have a huge problem with Anthony getting it bc he has confidence, but it should have been Nate or JJ.

Anthony just needed one more hop step to get out from under the rim & he would have made a play.

I think his inexperience led him to stop when he thought the ref was going to make the foul call, which he didn't make.

Unfortunate.
 
Exactly right. I posted in the game or post game chat about why Anthony ended up with the ball? I mean, supposedly its JJ or Nates team? Did Red draw it up that way?

Actually don't have a huge problem with Anthony getting it bc he has confidence, but it should have been Nate or JJ.

Anthony just needed one more hop step to get out from under the rim & he would have made a play.

I think his inexperience led him to stop when he thought the ref was going to make the foul call, which he didn't make.

Unfortunate.

We want the ball in the hands of JJ, a 40% FT shooter.

Nightmare fuel.

Our best only game plan is to pray the other team misses a lot of shots and we get rebounds.

We better figure this out and go 16-2 in ACC play and make a deep run in the ACCT.

Or else Gary Gait's gonna get fired.
 
I know it’s extreme but I’d make a head coach change now. Only way to save the season.
It’s not extreme for me. This team is way too talented. I can’t take it anymore watching results lead to the floor of the talent level. Like even last season, we were not talented enough to Syracuse standards, but we should’ve been a lot better than 14-19. Let Dan Engelstad who has been a head coach for 10 years be the interim. He may have not been a good head coach at his last stop, but he certainly hasn’t ever had this level of talent to work with. And see what you can do the rest of the season. It’s so frustrating because I really like the group they put together and they may love there leader in Red, but he is simply not getting the best out of them consistently and putting them into positions to succeed consistently.
 
Yup. No one else on the floor worked hard enough to come get the pass from Kyle (which was 5 seconds of me screaming at the TV "come to the ball, COME TO THE $%^ING BALL".
This is stuff that most coaches drill constantly. End of game situations, time and score, who we need to have the ball, getting open vs pressure, what the plan is (almost always the plan is to get to the rim); sideline out of bounds vs under the rim vs half court, etc. It needs to be a meticulous attention to detail so that it becomes second nature for players.

I'm not saying that Red does not drill end of games situations. I would find it mind numbing to believe he does not. But the execution and court awareness is lacking.
 
This is stuff that most coaches drill constantly. End of game situations, time and score, who we need to have the ball, getting open vs pressure, what the plan is (almost always the plan is to get to the rim); sideline out of bounds vs under the rim vs half court, etc. It needs to be a meticulous attention to detail so that it becomes second nature for players.

I'm not saying that Red does not drill end of games situations. I would find it mind numbing to believe he does not. But the execution and court awareness is lacking.
I just said in another thread that I suspect Red's practices are not run with focus, urgency and energy. That last possession was evidence of that, to me.

As the cliche goes, practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect.

I've watched too many teams with great coaches in my life to believe that Red is doing the same thing as those guys.
 
Yup. No one else on the floor worked hard enough to come get the pass from Kyle (which was 5 seconds of me screaming at the TV "come to the ball, COME TO THE $%^ING BALL".
I think everyone probably expected Kyle to give Kiyan the ball immediately after the inbound. Not really sure why Kyle froze, but once he did, then it basically turned into Kiyan and JJ both sort of going to the ball but also not wanting to get in each other's way until finally Kyle gave the ball up. All that and we still got a good look and what should have been game tying or game winning free throws thanks to a really nice move from Kiyan.
 
Do we think someone on this staff is *better* than Red? I suspect everyone is worse.
Did anyone think Jim Obrien was a better coach than Rick Pitino. Sometimes a new voice gets through.

Assistants aren’t going to challenge the hc. I’d make a change now. I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s gonna figure out the coaching part.

Why is everyone scared of a change? Who cares if the old guys from Hoosiers call for a town meeting? Tbh I think no one is untouchable in a rebuild
 
Did anyone think Jim Obrien was a better coach than Rick Pitino. Sometimes a new voice gets through.

Assistants aren’t going to challenge the hc. I’d make a change now. I’ve seen nothing to suggest he’s gonna figure out the coaching part.

Why is everyone scared of a change? Who cares if the old guys from Hoosiers call for a town meeting? Tbh I think no one is untouchable in a rebuild
I'm certainly not scared of a change. But people said the same thing about Red! The old man won't engage with his staff. They know how to modernize the program. Etc., etc., etc. This staff stinks. Every one of them.

The players love Red (I would too, he's nice and doesn't demand much of them) and I imagine if they canned him today they'd sulk and tank the season.

I just don't see the point in making a coaching change now. It'll cause chaos and it's not like this season is salvageable. Damage is done, we're not making the tourney.

Ride it out, start having backchannel conversations, and be ready to move on a new coach when we're inevitably bounced from the ACCT in the first round.
 
Like most freshmen, he needs to get stronger to play through contact. But, he had the guts to try to make the play.

100% agree.

Part of me wants the team given to him, bc he has confidence.

Or Kingz.

In addition to not having a plan, we are rudderless, as Jake alludes to in the OP.

Pick a leader and let them lead.

Or, pick a system & let it lead.

But to do neither is criminal.
 

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