Here is what I can PROMISE all the "fire Shafer" people

[Millhouse]

The "production" the last 7 games last year was the best thing that could have happened for Lester, Ironically he was in charge of that "production." What we have done this year statistically isn't any better than what McDonald did his 18 games here.

do we want dungey to be in this offense for 4 years?

for a hundred years, i was told sure the spread is great but we don't have the qb for a spread offense.

helllllooooo everyone

 

[Ozcuse]

Maybe Lester will have a Hackett 2012 moment when he decided to just throw to Lemon 20 times a game and have Jerome run dudes over. It worked.

 

[GoSU96]

I think his point,and it's one I agree with it, is that the relationships that this staff has made with high school coaches go right out the window. I think we are on the verge. Go back and look at Mac's first 3 years. Take a look at Mac's first 6 years. It takes time. We have Neal coming in. We have a 5 star tight end coming in. I don't care to repeat Ray Rice again.

That's fine, regarding defensive/OT points. But still, six games into the season, we have more offensive touchdowns (20) than we did all of last season (18). That's got to be worth something.

18 was good for 125th out of 128 teams, it's improvement, but not a huge deal. Right now tied for 81st.

And that 20 is against the easy part of the schedule, if they match that in the second half of the year I'd say that would be very significant.

That would also mean that they find a way to run the ball consistently, run more plays, and not be so QB centric. Could they do it, sure, but if they stay with the current level of performance I think they will be lucky to get another 10 TD's this year.

There are definitely things they are doing better, some significantly. If these numbers improve over the next six weeks given the opponents, without regard to wins or losses, then they will be due some kudos.

 

[TheCusian]

he gets no credit for how bad they were last year even though he really was there getting paid and this year he gets for credit defensive scores and OTs extended in part by a bad defense it's going to be just like last year where everyone hangs their hat on one game where they didn't get blown out by a good team if they start throwing more and running fewer guys not named fredericks, he can stay. he got dungey after all. adam has to go no matter what

He does. But how on earth do you evaluate those circumstances fairly? I mean someone else's system, truck load of injuries, playing 4 QB's?

I'm not hanging my hat on that game (though it is a nock against your Dungey theory). I hang my hat on the first half of CMU, 2nd half of USF, 1st half and OT of UVa. Needs to call and the players need more than one good half or quarter of offense.

Final thought: I think OT is getting lost as far as offensive performance/play calling. It does "dirty" the stats - but they still had to go out and be effective. They did that. I thought we'd see more of the 4th Q offense. But they were forced to be aggressive... Hint hint

 

[Millhouse]

18 was good for 125th out of 128 teams, it's improvement, but not a huge deal. Right now tied for 81st.

And that 20 is against the easy part of the schedule, if they match that in the second half of the year I'd say that would be very significant.

That would also mean that they find a way to run the ball consistently, run more plays, and not be so QB centric. Could they do it, sure, but if they stay with the current level of performance I think they will be lucky to get another 10 TD's this year.

There are definitely things they are doing better, some significantly. If these numbers improve over the next six weeks given the opponents, without regard to wins or losses, then they will be due some kudos.

Statistic    2015    Conf    Value    2014    Conf    Value    Delta
    Rank    Rank        Rank    Rank        Value
Total Offense (127 ranked)    110    13    340.3    113    13    329.9    10.4
Rushing Offense (127 ranked)    69    10    168.3    90    10    145.8    22.5
Passing Offense (127 ranked)    109    12    172    103    11    184.1    -12.1
Team Passing Efficiency (127 ranked)    46    7    140.41    124    14    98.79    41.62
Completion Percentage (127 ranked)    92    11    56.6%    101    13    54.0%    2.6%
Passing Yards per Completion (127 ranked)    55    7    12.59    105    11    10.67    1.92
Scoring Offense (127 ranked)    53    7    32.2    118    13    17.1    15.1
3rd Down Conversion Pct (127 ranked)    70    8    39.0%    109    13    34.1%    5%
4th Down Conversion Pct (127 ranked)    12    2    77.8%    58    7    50.0%    27.8%
First Downs Offense (127 ranked)    105    12    113    114    13    202    -89
Passes Had Intercepted (127 ranked)    27    6    4    109    13    17    -13
Red Zone Offense (127 ranked)    20    3    90.5%    83    11    80.0%    10.5%
Sacks Allowed (127 ranked)    59    7    1.83    56    8    2    -0.17
Tackles for Loss Allowed (127 ranked)    86    10    6.67    95    10    6.83    -0.16

lester doesn't get dinged for last year because of injuries but the injuries get thrown out the window when pointing to the improvement under lester's system.

he's a lucky dude

 

[TheCusian]

i don't care what the consensus is.

You are the AD? If your suggesting Lester not be retained you are assuming more than just you believe that the offense is stupid.

I doubt Coyle has seen enough of this offense to render an opinion.

 

[Millhouse]

He does. But how on earth do you evaluate those circumstances fairly? I mean someone else's system, truck load of injuries, playing 4 QB's?

I'm not hanging my hat on that game (though it is a nock against your Dungey theory). I hang my hat on the first half of CMU, 2nd half of USF, 1st half and OT of UVa. Needs to call and the players need more than one good half or quarter of offense.

Final thought: I think OT is getting lost as far as offensive performance/play calling. It does "dirty" the stats - but they still had to go out and be effective. They did that. I thought we'd see more of the 4th Q offense. But they were forced to be aggressive... Hint hint

i sure hope you're right, i liked what i saw out of dungey in OT. DO THAT

if Lester gets that through his head, fine, he can stay. watching this goofy choreography is the price i have to pay

but if they go run first and fail, i want to flea flicker him his pink slip

you get an air raid offensive coordinator and dungey could win a heisman here

 

[HOFCeluck]

I think we have seen enough improvement in our recruiting that this staff deserves the chance to coach their kids.

My thought exactly.

 

[PhatOrange]

I like Bennett a lot. I think our DEs have played well. Outside of that we have struggled everywhere else. The main point is that most of the young players have not stood out. On top of that our D players the last few years seem to always regress. That is the worry. Our young D players this year have not looked as good as our young D players in years past. Our young D players in years past have seemed to get worse. So just because a young player is playing doesn't guarantee they will be good when they are older.

that's not remotely true at all. Welsh and Robinson did not regress. Kelly and Reddish did not regress. Simmons and Arcineaga did not regrees. Raymon has not regressed. What other names are out there. DDavis? Lynch ? Hodge?

 

[PhatOrange]

I'm not sure what fantasy world you live in, but kids transfer from BCS schools to other BCS schools all the time. For example, Kansas alone has 9 BCS transfers on their roster. NINE.

mostly kids would only leave if the coach is cleaning house or the old kids don't fit the system. Dungey isn't going anymore if a high flying offensive coach is hired.

 

[PhatOrange]

I must have missed when McFarlane and Morris looked good. I don’t know how Morris still plays with the number of passes he dropped last year as a sophomore but I’ve noticed they’ve not thrown one his way this year.

McFarlane should be moved over to safety where he was recruited.

 

[TheCusian]

The "production" the last 7 games last year was the best thing that could have happened for Lester, Ironically he was in charge of that "production." What we have done this year statistically isn't any better than what McDonald did his 18 games here.

Except in the red zone. And passing efficiency.

Also O S&P+ for 2013: 26.2
2014: 23.2
2015: 27.1

Isn't that statistically better?

 

[phil77]

i sure hope you're right, i liked what i saw out of dungey in OT. DO THAT

if Lester gets that through his head, fine, he can stay. watching this goofy choreography is the price i have to pay

but if they go run first and fail, i want to flea flicker him his pink slip

you get an air raid offensive coordinator and dungey could win a heisman here

It is almost like we have perfect air raid personnel. QB with good timing and touch and the ability to run. 2 fast speedy WR's that can play in space(Erv and Estime). A tall WR with NFL body that can make plays (ISH). A running back who flashes top end speed and can play in space.

 

[PhatOrange]

If we did hire a new coach who wins next year or the year after, I can’t wait for all the arguments about him winning with Shafer’s recruits – lolololol

 

[TheCusian]

worse at getting to the red zone. yards matter

Huh. Weird. Last year scoring mattered.

 

[TheCusian]

If we did hire a new coach who wins next year or the year after, I can’t wait for all the arguments about him winning with Shafer’s recruits – lolololol

Won't be any cupboard was bare comments that's for sure

 

[Millhouse]

Huh. Weird. Last year scoring mattered.

they both matter huh weird

 

[baggerbob]

He gets through next year.

Last year was an incomplete, he had the bad luck of an experienced roster getting crushed by injuries.

This year was always going to be staging for 2016, even more so once Hunt got hurt. This isn't hindsight, focusing on wins/losses was always going to lead to disappointment this year.

Start spotting in some of the second unit OL, get the other guys in the secondary reps and get ready for next year.

You have a fearless QB that can make plays, he's not Troy Nunes being reckless and trying to do more than he is capable of, shift the play mix to more pass/more distribution, run more plays, and let the chips fall where they may. Feed the ball to Fredricks, rotate in Custis and Womack and other guys in the WR unit.

The present backups at WR are nice kids, but have a hard time getting open. Custis, and Enoicy at least have size, to get between the defender ,and the ball. The reason Eric runs, is protection breaks down, and people don't get open. The TE's have missed blocks, and drop as many passes as they catch, move either Custis, or Enoicy inside, to give Eric more options to pass to.

 

[GoSU96]

i sure hope you're right, i liked what i saw out of dungey in OT. DO THAT

if Lester gets that through his head, fine, he can stay. watching this goofy choreography is the price i have to pay

but if they go run first and fail, i want to flea flicker him his pink slip

you get an air raid offensive coordinator and dungey could win a heisman here

They have to find away to harness the freelancing within an coherent scheme. Lester has an idea of what he wants to do and they prepped for 8 months to go a certain way. They didn't know what they had in Dungey until August.

They are all learning on the fly, trying to fit within in a "get it to the fourth quarter" mentality, all while trying to run this system at the same time.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I wish Millhouse was the ad. SS would have been fired before the end of last season.

With such a long leash, the line of qualified applicants would be out the door.

 

[GoSU96]

lester doesn't get dinged for last year because of injuries but the injuries get thrown out the window when pointing to the improvement under lester's system.

he's a lucky dude

It's a complicated.

 

[TheCusian]

they both matter huh weird

Agreed. So stop acting like red zone % is not improved or important. A significant rise in red zone % is always a good thing.

 

[rrlbees]

Coach P went 39-33 over his last 6 seasons, and the majority of the internet wanted him fired. GRob and Marrone COMBINED didn't get to 39 wins, in 8 seasons. Silly internet.

16-20 last 3 was the issue.

 

[K Otto XLIV]

With 3 different QB's and mid game "sudden" QB situations. Red Zone is roughly a billion times better.

Are we?

Against Nova we had 3 FGs (counting Dixon as FG as O didn't score) & TD. Against CMU we had a FG & 4 TDs. MD was 2 FGs, missed FG (not McDonald's fault), 2 TDs, and an INT (not McDonald's fault). ND was a FG, missed FG (not McDonald's fault), and a TD. Louisville was 2 FGs.

IMO the best way to evaluate a Redzone O is by TDs. TOs are not the fault of the OC. Neither are missed FGs. So in 2014 we had 20 possessions and scored 8 TDs for a 40% rate. This year we are getting TDs at a 57% rate. It is much better but it is still 87th in the nation.

 

[Millhouse]

Agreed. So stop acting like red zone % is not improved or important. A significant rise in red zone % is always a good thing.

just so you know, in conference play, syracuse's points per red zone appearance is 100th.