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[pfister1]

Wow! Triche has by far the best handle on the team, it's not even close. He's the best at breaking the press and he's much quicker then Scoop who is actually slow and has the worst handle of the 4 guards. Williams has the second best handle. Scoop is by far the least talented of the 4 guards. You have no chance for an NC with him as your point guard. He makes far to many poor decisions forto SU to win it all. He allways has played that way and you haven't seen that by now then you just don't get it.

This is just stupid. We may not win the National Championship, but we're 24-1 with Scoop as the PG, we clearly have a chance to win the NC with Scoop as our PG.

 

[orangefan13]

+1

Scoop has been awesome this year. Hes on a entirely different level this year.
Other years he couldn't get by a good defender when he wanted to at times. This year he can get by every defender in the league at times with his dribbling skill.

And he has the low post threats and passing abilities that he didn't have before. Scoop is our best entry passer, Dion makes some good passes off the dribble and both are ahead of Triche in passing.
IMO Triches best passing game is the high lob pass when one of our bigs/forwards has position and momentum to the rim.

I still feel Triche is best utilized using all of the floor especially when Melo isn't in. Would like to see Keita/Xmas at center give southerland a high post elbow screen so he can flash to the foul line once in a while. With the ball in KJO/Scoop/Dions hands with Triche running around the perimeter more.
Southerland has the ability to get to the basket off one or two bounces.
Triche shoots slightly better off of motion and KJO/Scoop like to spot up for three.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Wow! You do realize that triche is both much quiker and fastewr than Scoop right?

Triche is many things, but quick is certainly not one of them. His motions are measured in geologic scale. And your claim that he has by far the best handle? I dont think I've seen a guy on Syracuse at the guard position dribble the ball off his own foot more than Triche has. This is what Triche does well...

shoot threes when his feet are set.
shoot free throws.
be able to hit some shots while going up against contract..due to his size.

these are certainly important attributes to have on this team.

handle and quickness are not his thing.

 

[anglerman]

Triche is many things, but quick is certainly not one of them. His motions are measured in geologic scale. And your claim that he has by far the best handle? I dont think I've seen a guy on Syracuse at the guard position dribble the ball off his own foot more than Triche has. This is what Triche does well...

shoot threes when his feet are set.
shoot free throws.Triche averages about one turnover per game so I don't think he dribbles off of his feet very often. He has a fantastic handle not a good one. He handles much better then scoop and is much quicker and faster then scoop. Scoop will fail this team in the end. He's simply not a Great player and never has been this team would be much better served with Triche and Mcw as it's primary guards. They have higher bball IQs and just make better decisions then Scoop or his cousin
be able to hit some shots while going up against contract..due to his size.

these are certainly important attributes to have on this team.

handle and quickness are not his thing.

Triche is many things, but quick is certainly not one of them. His motions are measured in geologic scale. And your claim that he has by far the best handle? I dont think I've seen a guy on Syracuse at the guard position dribble the ball off his own foot more than Triche has. This is what Triche does well...

shoot threes when his feet are set.
shoot free throws.
be able to hit some shots while going up against contract..due to his size.

these are certainly important attributes to have on this team.

handle and quickness are not his thing.

 

[arbitragegls]

Well it certainly appears we all are passionate and defensive when evaluating our guards and team. First, we are #2 in country...we are on way to win the BE...we have beaten two of our most hated rivals...Pitt and GT. We have a team of good players; allbeit each with flaws.
When discussing the guards it appears that the positives for each outweights the negatives. For example, lets look at the positives (feel free to add to)
Scoop
Creative, best passer, senior leadership, and good asst man, few TOs
Waiters
Break defender down, wow with dunks, really good defensive player, few TOs
Triche
Consistent, calming, plays within self, good 3 pt shooter, best FT shooter on team, few TOs, very good defender

Now for something I do not want anyone to miss...and it is not because it shows Triche doing very well; in fact all three of guards to well...but here is offensive efficiency as posted a few days ago by a savy poster (not me)

The True Shooting Percentage (TS%) numbers below come from this site: http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/syracuse-orange

I like this metric because it factors in both 3-point shooting and free throw shooting.

Jardine​

All Games: 55.3%​

Big East: 49.4%​

V. Top 50: 44.0%​

Waiters​

All Games: 56.1%​

Big East: 52.9%​

V. Top 50: 38.9%​

Triche​

All Games: 56.9%​

Big East: 59.2 %​

V. Top 50: 58.5%​

Joseph​

All Games: 56.3%​

Big East: 54.9%​

V. Top 50: 55.0%​

Southerland​

All Games: 57.3%​

Big East: 45.7%​

V. Top 50: 42.5%​

Fair​

All Games: 52.2%​

Big East: 50.7%​

V. Top 50: 41.6%​

Overall, all six of these guys have comparable (and pretty good) TS% numbers. But if you look at how they perform in conference games and against Top 50 opponents, things look a little different.

Joseph and Triche are pretty consistent and Triche actually appears to perform best against the better opponents. Apart from a few games this year, Southerland seems to really fall off in big spots. Surprisingly (at least to me), the efficiency of Waiters and Jardine also drops considerably against the better teams.

I’d be interested in hearing your comments…​

 

[OttoMets]

Look it's very simple he makes to many mistakes. He's erractic as hell and makes a lot of What errors. He's always been that way. I hope I'm wrong but I can see him pulling another Butler in the NCAA tourney.

"Pulling another Butler"?

I suppose you mean that Scoop cost Syracuse the Butler game? If that's the case, I think the argument ends there. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[MyMeloMyMan]

Once again...we will ride or die with Scoop making decisions in big games. Just the way its gonna be again this year.

 

[anglerman]

"Pulling another Butler"?

I suppose you mean that Scoop cost Syracuse the Butler game? If that's the case, I think the argument ends there. You don't know what you're talking about.

Really, you don't remember the horrible shots he took down the stretch in that game? He and Joseph have been ordained by JB this year and neither are worthy. scoop will cluster down the stretch and so will Joseph. Joseph can't even shoot with his left hand. Pathetic for a player on a major d1 program

 

[anglerman]

Really, you don't remember the horrible shots he took down the stretch in that game? He and Joseph have been ordained by JB this year and neither are worthy. scoop will cluster down the stretch and so will Joseph. Joseph can't even shoot with his left hand. Pathetic for a player on a major d1 program

BTW Brandon is a very refined ball Handler and if you can't see that you don't know the sport at all

 

[OttoMets]

Really, you don't remember the horrible shots he took down the stretch in that game? ]

No. The game's on the NCAA vault website. Please go watch it again.