How JG3 compares to other high volume 3 point shooters

[cliftonparksufan]

Better than many, including a woefully bad start by Caleb Love and not as good as some.

 

[Nicknack]

You gotta think that if some of the guys on that list (including our Joe) were a bit more selective on their attempts, their percentages would be a few points higher. Take a couple towards the top of the list... you have no business heaving 8 3pt attempts a game when you're only making roughly 32% of them.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

You gotta think that if some of the guys on that list (including our Joe) were a bit more selective on their attempts, their percentages would be a few points higher. Take a couple towards the top of the list... you have no business heaving 8 3pt attempts a game when you're only making roughly 32% of them.

Mathematically speaking if you are making 33% compared to 50% on two point shots then it's a wash. If Joe didn't have that bad streak he would probably be close to 40%. I'm sure most of these guys are streak shooters.

 

[Brooky03]

You gotta think that if some of the guys on that list (including our Joe) were a bit more selective on their attempts, their percentages would be a few points higher. Take a couple towards the top of the list... you have no business heaving 8 3pt attempts a game when you're only making roughly 32% of them.

I don’t know Tennessee’s situation, but Vescovi could be like GMac as an upperclassmen. Elite shooter who needs to shoot to keep the offense running. Sometimes it’s okay to sacrifice efficiency. That’s sometimes a blind spot of analytics. Again, I know nothing about Tennessee or that player.

Fewer tough 3’s should result in fewer misses but will also mean fewer makes. Another point worth considering.

 

[MikeSU02]

Mathematically speaking if you are making 33% compared to 50% on two point shots then it's a wash. If Joe didn't have that bad streak he would probably be close to 40%. I'm sure most of these guys are streak shooters.

In isolation and only for the shot attempt value as a make or miss.

There are a lot more impacts that occur bc of this than just the 50%/33% thing.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

In isolation and only for the shot attempt value as a make or miss.

There are a lot more impacts that occur bc of this than just the 50%/33% thing.

Yes. Like long rebounds that never go our way.

 

[upperdeck]

You gotta think that if some of the guys on that list (including our Joe) were a bit more selective on their attempts, their percentages would be a few points higher. Take a couple towards the top of the list... you have no business heaving 8 3pt attempts a game when you're only making roughly 32% of them.

dont the stats show though that anything approaching 33% is ok..

3's 100 shots at 33% is 99 pts

2's 100 shots at 50% is 100 pts.. and who actually comes close to that shooting more than 2 ft from the basket?

 

[MikeSU02]

Yes. Like long rebounds that never go our way.

Ya. Just to be clear, Joe has done really well improving his two point shot and what not. Not trying to give him a hard time.

 

[phreddie]

dont the stats show though that anything approaching 33% is ok..

3's 100 shots at 33% is 99 pts

2's 100 shots at 50% is 100 pts.. and who actually comes close to that shooting more than 2 ft from the basket?

In your first scenario, there are potentially 67 "turnovers" (missed shots).
In the second, there are only 50.

 

[Brooky03]

In your first scenario, there are potentially 67 "turnovers" (missed shots).
In the second, there are only 50.

Counting defensive rebounds as turnovers is misleading. Inbounding the ball isn’t a whole lot different than getting a defensive rebound.

 

[upperdeck]

In your first scenario, there are potentially 67 "turnovers" (missed shots).
In the second, there are only 50.

not sure how that plays in to it.

so say you get 20% of your missed shots as offensive rebounds..
you have 10 more chances to score vs 14..

its also a function of bad misses vs good misses, look how often the bad misses we struggle to contain.

few teams shoot 50% in a game no matter what shots they take. but if you can consistently shoot 35% from 3 the more you take the math says to shoot them.. if you can get it to closer to 40% its even better.,

not to say a nice mix of layups and dunks doesnt help

 

[Otto'd]

High volume guys over 40 are the gold standard. Love Brandon Miller.

 

[phreddie]

Counting defensive rebounds as turnovers is misleading. Inbounding the ball isn’t a whole lot different than getting a defensive rebound.

I did say "potentially". Also, are you arguing that the percentage chance of getting a defensive rebound is the same ( or even close) to the chance of stealing an inbounds pass?

Well, maybe the way SU does it. :-(

 

[phreddie]

not sure how that plays in to it.

so say you get 20% of your missed shots as offensive rebounds..
you have 10 more chances to score vs 14..

its also a function of bad misses vs good misses, look how often the bad misses we struggle to contain.

few teams shoot 50% in a game no matter what shots they take. but if you can consistently shoot 35% from 3 the more you take the math says to shoot them.. if you can get it to closer to 40% its even better.,

not to say a nice mix of layups and dunks doesnt help

You were arguing 33% 3s vs 50% 2s. I was just pointing out it's more than just the shots made. But I agree you are more likely to find guys hitting 38% from 3 vs guys hitting 55% from 2. At any decent volume, anyway.

 

[br801]

High volume guys over 40 are the gold standard. Love Brandon Miller.

That's what Girard was last season. He's at 36% right now, even with that horrendous streak in there. Getting back to near 40% would not be inconceivable, but it won't be easy given he's the only proven 3-point threat on this team right now.

 

[Sherman20]

High volume guys over 40 are the gold standard. Love Brandon Miller.

A guy like Miller plays on a really good team so he’s probably getting higher quality shots.

 

[kcsu]

I wish that Joe could have played at the 2 from the jump. His range is NBA level, and he has a very quick trigger. It's also a shame he doesn't have good forwards to play off. Hope he finishes well as he deserves to.