How much time does Rob Moore get?

[ImperialOrange]

It's been reported that he's not been a great recruiter to date which can be written off as "it may take time" but our WR's haven't really shown any improvement since he's arrived. Does he get one more year to turn it around or is he the first chip to fall?

 

[javadoc]

It's been reported that he's not been a great recruiter to date which can be written off as "it may take time" but our WR's haven't really shown any improvement since he's arrived. Does he get one more year to turn it around or is he the first chip to fall?

Why do you think they haven't shown any improvement? How close to their ceilings are they already?

 

[ImperialOrange]

Why do you think they haven't shown any improvement? How close to their ceilings are they already?

Dropped passes all over the place all year. I can deal with guys being a bit too slow, or not being able to break press coverage as ceiling issues. Why can we not somewhat regulary hold onto the ball at WR though? Does Nassib throw that bad of a ball that the drops should be on him?

Serious question, not a troll post with some vandetta against Moore.The last WR coach got the boot fairly quickly. I've seen most other coaches called out but haven't seen Moore mentioned.

We just don't make the catches that we need to make and one way or another that needs to get better.

 

[javadoc]

Dropped passes all over the place all year.

Without any special first-hand knowledge of what the WR's are actually doing in drills, I would believe that if they aren't catching the ball at this point, there is little that Moore or anyone can do to fix it. Need better players.

Maybe they should have Qadry Ismail's elastic band doohicky and wear it 24/7.

 

[44PRIDE]

At least once a game, an announcer will comment about how "hot" Nassib's passes are and that he should "take a little off" his throws. This comment has been made by different announcers for every game.

Being accurate with your passes is HUGE. But there is something to be said about throwing a "catchable" ball. Not every pass needs to be a rocket.

 

[dollarbill44]

When I saw the topic line I thought there was another scandal brewing among SU assistants.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

Unless you attend practices, the earliest you will really know is next year, when we can see how West, Kobena, Graham, and Hale are doing. So far, Graham has made huge strides and Lemon is doing very well... And if Hale is impressing in practices like some have said, I have to guess he has a hand in that too. Sounds like progress to me.

 

[OrangePA]

It's been reported that he's not been a great recruiter to date which can be written off as "it may take time" but our WR's haven't really shown any improvement since he's arrived. Does he get one more year to turn it around or is he the first chip to fall?

You really think our problem is Rob Moore?

 

[ImperialOrange]

You really think our problem is Rob Moore?

Unknown at this point thus the post. Probably still hung over from watching all the drops vs Cinci on Saturday in addition to the rest that we've seen this year. If a coaching change is going to made soon it's more likely to be a position coach.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

I haven't been keeping count but Ryan Nassib's "hot" passes have definitely been the root cause of a considerable number of dropped passes this year.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I haven't been keeping count but Ryan Nassib's "hot" passes have definitely been the root cause of a considerable number of dropped passes this year.

Guess I just have the "if you get your hands on the ball you should catch it" mindset that my HS coaches always harped on. Maybe I just expect too much from the players we've got based on what they've shown capable of at differerent points.

 

[OrangePA]

Unknown at this point thus the post. Probably still hung over from watching all the drops vs Cinci on Saturday in addition to the rest that we've seen this year. If a coaching change is going to made soon it's more likely to be a position coach.

So you think Rob is not having the guys perform the proper drills in practice?

Is he not motivating the WRs properly?

What do you know?

 

[OrangePA]

At least once a game, an announcer will comment about how "hot" Nassib's passes are and that he should "take a little off" his throws. This comment has been made by different announcers for every game.

Being accurate with your passes is HUGE. But there is something to be said about throwing a "catchable" ball. Not every pass needs to be a rocket.

I agree.

Throwing a catchable pass is very important.

After I watched Tom Brady beat up my Eagles on Sunday, I noticed for the first time I guess just how "catchable" his passes are.

As you have observed, it's not just accuracy, though that is obviously important, it's the pace and movement of the ball. And, it's a real skill.

I'm not sure that Ryan throws a real catchable ball.

 

[echosofmanley]

The offense has the WRs in a spot to make plays, just bad drop after bad drop. Is it on Rob?

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Maybe this is a stupid question but how is recruiting assigned? Are coaches given certain areas of the country to recruit? Does Moore have any say in which receivers are being recruited? I remember Ben Lewis mentioning that Moore was the one to offer him a scholarship after a summer camp. Hale, Foster, Cornelius and Lewis are all 6-2 or taller they sort of fit the Moore mold.

 

[ImperialOrange]

So you think Rob is not having the guys perform the proper drills in practice?

Is he not motivating the WRs properly?

What do you know?

I know WR's and TE's are dropping balls in games and as of last week it hasn't gotten any better. That's what I know.

The reason or the answer, not so much. Coach may be the reason he may not thus I posed an open forum question. Looking for answers or rather opinions.

 

[SoBristol]

Not saying the WRs are perfect, but someone gets credit for Chew's sharp improvement from 2009 to 2010; for Lemon's improvement this year (not including the past two games, but he is pushing the SU season record for receptions); for Graham's improvement over what he was showing in the Spring. West seems to be coming along as well.

You need to keep in mind that Graham was a defensive back, until it was obvious that we didn't have any speed on offense and he got the call.

 

[qdawgg]

I would say that the Graham improvement is potentially due to good coaching because I remember it mentioned a few times on the ex-gf's premium board that he couldn't catch anything

However, at the same time last year when West was injured it was deemed by many including the coaching staff (?) that this was a huge loss. So either his value was overvalued or he regressed.

If the season hadn't turned into what it has I think we would be raving about what Lemon has done this year. It's funny because for a college WR he has had some big games which have gone somewhat unnoticed due to the losing.

 

[SoBristol]

Hard to say West regressed when we didn't see him in games last year. He did not show much in the Spring -- at least the scrimmage I saw. Seriously, why would he regress when others seem to be improving? It looks like he is a possession receiver with some size, and ability to get stronger, but without a lot of speed. Maybe he and Stevens will compete for the Provo role (the TE who is not the main blocker).

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

Here's my thing... our receivers, are not bad, IMO... you put them with an OL that allows for plays to develop, or a QB who can hit a deep shot just enough to keep DBs honest, or a good OC who puts them in position to succeed, and this is not a bad receiving corp... and what's more, should be better next year.

Here's why this year has been tough for me though. It may sound like I am putting the blame on Nassib, but I'm not. I believe all of our skill guys could play for top-25 teams, but unfortunately, not one of them has that "put the game on my shoulders" mentality, and you need that from someone. It's why I hope Broyld wins the QB battle. Brash, physical, and someone I have no trouble imagining will bring a die-hard attitude to the team.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

I would say that the Graham improvement is potentially due to good coaching because I remember it mentioned a few times on the ex-gf's premium board that he couldn't catch anything

However, at the same time last year when West was injured it was deemed by many including the coaching staff (?) that this was a huge loss. So either his value was overvalued or he regressed.

If the season hadn't turned into what it has I think we would be raving about what Lemon has done this year. It's funny because for a college WR he has had some big games which have gone somewhat unnoticed due to the losing.

I really like West, but I don't think you see a ton from him til Lemon graduates... aside from certain packages and situations. There are not many Plaxico Burresses in this world, so I thought the hype about a 4.6 guy being our deep threat was always EXTREMELY premature. Kid will be solid, but he wasn't supposed to be the savior of the position.

 

[SoBristol]

Here's my thing... our receivers, are not bad, IMO... you put them with an OL that allows for plays to develop, or a QB who can hit a deep shot just enough to keep DBs honest, or a good OC who puts them in position to succeed, and this is not a bad receiving corp... and what's more, should be better next year.

Here's why this year has been tough for me though. It may sound like I am putting the blame on Nassib, but I'm not. I believe all of our skill guys could play for top-25 teams, but unfortunately, not one of them has that "put the game on my shoulders" mentality, and you need that from someone. It's why I hope Broyld wins the QB battle. Brash, physical, and someone I have no trouble imagining will bring a die-hard attitude to the team.

I am with you on Broyld but don't see Nassib losing the starting role. I would like to see Broyld earn the role of a change-up QB, used in the way that UConn & Cincy used their second QB against us. He is brash and physical -- maybe not as fast as the running QBs that UConn & Cincy used. MacFarlane has also run from the QB position. It hasn't been Marrone's style to spell Nassib (other than just a few Wildcat plays), but maybe he will see the light in one of his "quality reviews".
As for our receivers, I am not sure about Graham (at least not on slant routes that he tended to short-arm), but Sales, Lemon & West will give you 3 possession guys. The missing ingredient is the true deep threat.

 

[bnoro]

I agree.

Throwing a catchable pass is very important.

After I watched Tom Brady beat up my Eagles on Sunday, I noticed for the first time I guess just how "catchable" his passes are.

As you have observed, it's not just accuracy, though that is obviously important, it's the pace and movement of the ball. And, it's a real skill.

I'm not sure that Ryan throws a real catchable ball.

Brady fires rockets. Until players get used to his timing, they struggle to catch the ball. I've been to many Pats training camps and you can really hear the pop when it hits the receiver's gloves. I would not want to try to catch a football from Brady. He's accurate enough though, that the ball is so close to the receiver's hands they don't have to react super fast to catch the ball, that's the issue with Ryan, IMO. When you throw that hard you have to be deadly accurate so the receiver can react.

 

[44PRIDE]

I guess my point with Ryan is that you rarely see the soft touch pass from him. Everything is thrown on a rope...even when its not necessary.

Sure, a good receiver can catch anything. But it sure helps if the QB can throw you a cupcake every now and again.

 

[JoeSU]

Unless you attend practices, the earliest you will really know is next year, when we can see how West, Kobena, Graham, and Hale are doing. So far, Graham has made huge strides and Lemon is doing very well... And if Hale is impressing in practices like some have said, I have to guess he has a hand in that too. Sounds like progress to me.

I agree. Our #1 WR (Sales) never saw the field, and Chew has apparently been playing injured (but had a nice game vs. Cincy). As often as there have been drops, WRs have gotten separation but Nassib has failed to deliver the ball on target.