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How patient has Syracuse been with Dino Babers? Record shows he needs winning season to keep his job

Overall keeping Babers is going to be a net positive I believe. the biggest issue I think with a program like ours, is that if you change a coach you know we are going to restart the timeline and now we are in another “rebuild” status which will take what, 3-4 years minimum to see what that coach can do? Are we a program ready for that? I personally don’t want that right now. We kinda need Babers to succeed and provide a clear step forward in the program, which right now a step forward is back to back bowls. We are recruiting at a higher level than in the past as well. There’s too many indicators of positive steps for a program like ours IMO to turn over Babers. It’s really simple, 6 wins or more yearly and babers can stay here as coach until he retires. Say what you will but if coach just keeps putting us in bowl games regardless of how we do it, he has to stay at this point in our history. We have to create that baseline for our program. This season it does appear that we have too much depth and talent to NOT be a bowling team. If we do not go bowling…. Man it’s going to be a very tough decision. I think if we go 5-7 we should keep babers for truly a do or die 2024 season. We got a great class for us coming in, etc.
 
Cuse12 said:
Overall keeping Babers is going to be a net positive I believe. the biggest issue I think with a program like ours, is that if you change a coach you know we are going to restart the timeline and now we are in another “rebuild” status which will take what, 3-4 years minimum to see what that coach can do? Are we a program ready for that? I personally don’t want that right now. We kinda need Babers to succeed and provide a clear step forward in the program, which right now a step forward is back to back bowls. We are recruiting at a higher level than in the past as well. There’s too many indicators of positive steps for a program like ours IMO to turn over Babers. It’s really simple, 6 wins or more yearly and babers can stay here as coach until he retires. Say what you will but if coach just keeps putting us in bowl games regardless of how we do it, he has to stay at this point in our history. We have to create that baseline for our program. This season it does appear that we have too much depth and talent to NOT be a bowling team. If we do not go bowling…. Man it’s going to be a very tough decision. I think if we go 5-7 we should keep babers for truly a do or die 2024 season. We got a great class for us coming in, etc.
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Agree with a lot of what you say. I would hate to start over also,. But at the same time, if Dino can't build off last year to get to another bowl game, it would be a pretty big disappointment and make me wonder if he ever will build the consistency we hope for. But I think he will and the discussion will be irrelevant.
 
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MSOrange said:
Agree with a lot of what you say. I would hate to start over also,. But at the same time, if Dino can't build off last year to get to another bowl game, it would be a pretty big disappointment and make me wonder if he ever will build the consistency we hope for. But I think he will and the discussion will be irrelevant.
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Logical stance. I agree. I think it comes down to everyone knowing we need 6. Straight up get 6. Don’t allow the doubt to creep in. But man, yeah if we don’t get a bowl this year how do we have any faith going forward? You’re spot on. I just really hope we don’t have that situation occur!
 
cusefan88 said:
Take away the COVID season he's basically a .500 coach and did it for a long time without the school truly backing him with more resources. I think he's a great CEO and investing in better asst coaches makes him better.
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I don't know how you can try to write an objective assessment of a college coaches career and completing ignore COVID.

IMHO, COVID really hurt the program and IMHO, the reasons why were almost completely out of his control.

IMHO, Dino did a great job keeping discipline in the football program high, keeping the players as isolated and healthy as he possibly could. Syracuse was one of only a few programs that was able to field a team for all scheduled games.

Dino didn't replace the original schedule with a much tougher schedule at the last minute. That was devastating to the program and I think you can argue that playing in empty stadiums hurt Syracuse more than any other team (the dome is the noisiest facility in the ACC).

I think the program was in a good place and poised to have a good year and all hell broke loose. I can't objectively place the blame on that on Dino.

Carlson is really good at writing features. IMHO, he should focus on that and avoid analytical articles in the future. Analysis is not his forte.
 
I don't think the school gets rid of him even if we struggle to 4 or 5 wins.
 
sutomcat said:
I don't know how you can try to write an objective assessment of a college coaches career and completing ignore COVID.

IMHO, COVID really hurt the program and IMHO, the reasons why were almost completely out of his control.

IMHO, Dino did a great job keeping discipline in the football program high, keeping the players as isolated and healthy as he possibly could. Syracuse was one of only a few programs that was able to field a team for all scheduled games.

Dino didn't replace the original schedule with a much tougher schedule at the last minute. That was devastating to the program and I think you can argue that playing in empty stadiums hurt Syracuse more than any other team (the dome is the noisiest facility in the ACC).

I think the program was in a good place and poised to have a good year and all hell broke loose. I can't objectively place the blame on that on Dino.

Carlson is really good at writing features. IMHO, he should focus on that and avoid analytical articles in the future. Analysis is not his forte.
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You said it better than I did.

A really unsatisfactory piece.
 
sutomcat said:
I don't know how you can try to write an objective assessment of a college coaches career and completing ignore COVID.

IMHO, COVID really hurt the program and IMHO, the reasons why were almost completely out of his control.

IMHO, Dino did a great job keeping discipline in the football program high, keeping the players as isolated and healthy as he possibly could. Syracuse was one of only a few programs that was able to field a team for all scheduled games.

Dino didn't replace the original schedule with a much tougher schedule at the last minute. That was devastating to the program and I think you can argue that playing in empty stadiums hurt Syracuse more than any other team (the dome is the noisiest facility in the ACC).

I think the program was in a good place and poised to have a good year and all hell broke loose. I can't objectively place the blame on that on Dino.

Carlson is really good at writing features. IMHO, he should focus on that and avoid analytical articles in the future. Analysis is not his forte.
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Yeah the 2020 COVID year was a complete disaster and it was worse for us than for other programs as we we brought in two new coordinators. Trying to do that with all the restrictions of being together had to be really tough. That has to be factored in.
 
CbusCuse said:
Yeah the 2020 COVID year was a complete disaster and it was worse for us than for other programs as we we brought in two new coordinators. Trying to do that with all the restrictions of being together had to be really tough. That has to be factored in.
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Does Dino deserve any blame for having to replace two coordinators (i.e., people he hired)?
 
Dino finally has a good staff that has ties to our key recruiting areas. The culture of the program is solid and the kids based on what i was told really like and respect him.
He isn't a very good in game coach so hopefully he continues to delegate those decisions to his coordinators.
I think we win 7 or 8 this year and every year going forward so he and the program can keep moving forward.
orangemass said:
I’m just hoping he has delegated game management. Everything else I’m fine with
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Amen
 
Bulldog04 said:
I don’t think ive ever seen a coach get supported so much and do so little. I love Babers the guy but I don’t think he’s a great coach. His staff around him are definitely good hires so this has to be the year to build off and gauge him
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I truly think that a big part of Dinos success was all about his style being different which led to quick turn arounds. He then parlayed that into better jobs. He never really built a program he fixed and moved on. I think he thought he was gone after the magic year, but the cards didn't fall his way on the west coast or with the Florida and Texas jobs and he stayed. I think that at this point he probably realizes how lucky he is to be coaching at Syracuse although in my opinion if he has another magic year and he is offered out west he will leave.
 
Bulldog04 said:
I don’t think ive ever seen a coach get supported so much and do so little. I love Babers the guy but I don’t think he’s a great coach. His staff around him are definitely good hires so this has to be the year to build off and gauge him
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Define support. Until last couple seasons Dino wasnt able to hire above a certain pedigree.
 
Bulldog04 said:
I don’t think ive ever seen a coach get supported so much and do so little. I love Babers the guy but I don’t think he’s a great coach. His staff around him are definitely good hires so this has to be the year to build off and gauge him
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Would be nice if Jason Beck shows some good progress as a coach and potentially can consider a succession plan in 3-4 seasons.
 
cusefan88 said:
Would be nice if Jason Beck shows some good progress as a coach and potentially can consider a succession plan in 3-4 seasons.
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We are dreaming the same dream lol. My dream scenario is exactly this. 4 more strong years where Dino leaves his mark on cuse FB, and gives way to this offensive minded smart coach who can grab QBs with ease lol! We can dream….
 
Long & Beck should get 2 years to prove their worth.

It would be great if Rocky could teach another coach to take his spot when he retires.

Similarly, if Beck does well, he could be the next HC…. assuming he doesn’t jump ship before then.
 
sutomcat said:
I don't know how you can try to write an objective assessment of a college coaches career and completing ignore COVID.

IMHO, COVID really hurt the program and IMHO, the reasons why were almost completely out of his control.

IMHO, Dino did a great job keeping discipline in the football program high, keeping the players as isolated and healthy as he possibly could. Syracuse was one of only a few programs that was able to field a team for all scheduled games.

Dino didn't replace the original schedule with a much tougher schedule at the last minute. That was devastating to the program and I think you can argue that playing in empty stadiums hurt Syracuse more than any other team (the dome is the noisiest facility in the ACC).

I think the program was in a good place and poised to have a good year and all hell broke loose. I can't objectively place the blame on that on Dino.

Carlson is really good at writing features. IMHO, he should focus on that and avoid analytical articles in the future. Analysis is not his forte.
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With all due respect, I disagree with the idea that 2020 was going to be a good season. New coordinators with no spring ball. One of them being Sterling Gilbert.

I knew when the players boycotted practice for a few days in August, that team was toast. I cant remember the reason, if it was they didnt feel safe practicing or what, but they were they only team I heard about boycotting practice. They weren't willing to sacrifice under those circumstances. They didnt have a championship mindset under those conditions.

Our 2 deep was a mess going into the season. Rhino god bless him, starting on the Oline with Tommy D who cant handle pressure and it was destined for failure.
 
DilemaCuse said:
They weren't willing to sacrifice under those circumstances. They didnt have a championship mindset under those conditions.
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DilemaCuse said:
With all due respect, I disagree with the idea that 2020 was going to be a good season. New coordinators with no spring ball. One of them being Sterling Gilbert.

I knew when the players boycotted practice for a few days in August, that team was toast. I cant remember the reason, if it was they didnt feel safe practicing or what, but they were they only team I heard about boycotting practice. They weren't willing to sacrifice under those circumstances. They didnt have a championship mindset under those conditions.

Our 2 deep was a mess going into the season. Rhino god bless him, starting on the Oline with Tommy D who cant handle pressure and it was destined for failure.
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The change in OC that year was like the change in either Co this year.

Dino was responsible for that roster. It was year 5, there was no excuse. He shouldn't get a pass.

That being said, in a normal year we likely go 3-9 that year with an FCS and an extra G5 game. That still stinks but it isn't as bad as 1-10.
 
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