How patient has Syracuse been with Dino Babers? Record shows he needs winning season to keep his job

[kcsu]

The change in OC that year was like the change in either Co this year.

Dino was responsible for that roster. It was year 5, there was no excuse. He shouldn't get a pass.

That being said, in a normal year we likely go 3-9 that year with an FCS and an extra G5 game. That still stinks but it isn't as bad as 1-10.

Luckiest coach in D1

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Thank you for this. Sincerely.

 

[OrangePA]

Does Dino deserve any blame for having to replace two coordinators (i.e., people he hired)?

In my opinion, observing, analyzing and managing a program is a positive.

 

[OrangePA]

The change in OC that year was like the change in either Co this year.

Dino was responsible for that roster. It was year 5, there was no excuse. He shouldn't get a pass.

That being said, in a normal year we likely go 3-9 that year with an FCS and an extra G5 game. That still stinks but it isn't as bad as 1-10.

Disagree.

 

[DilemaCuse]

I didnt see any players elsewhere boycotting practice...

I remember seeing Justin Fields at OSU coordinating B1G players to protest Kevin Warrens decision not to play

The results that year speak for themselves. As HRE said in normal schedule, they were a 3-9 team which sounds right.

 

[donniesyracuse]

I didnt see any players elsewhere boycotting practice...

I remember seeing Justin Fields at OSU coordinating B1G players to protest Kevin Warrens decision not to play

The results that year speak for themselves. As HRE said in normal schedule, they were a 3-9 team which sounds right.

Agreed, concern for the well-being of yourself and those around you is a loser's mentality.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Disagree.

With what part exactly?

 

[donniesyracuse]

In my opinion, observing, analyzing and managing a program is a positive.

I do too, but I also see two bad hires as a negative.

 

[MSOrange]

I do too, but I also see two bad hires as a negative.

Agree. It's good to recognize when change needs to be made, but at a certain point, you need to start making the right hires.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Long & Beck should get 2 years to prove their worth.

It would be great if Rocky could teach another coach to take his spot when he retires.

Similarly, if Beck does well, he could be the next HC…. assuming he doesn’t jump ship before then.

Problem is if he does well can we offer a competitive package to retain him as HC in waiting? Don’t see Dino leaving in 2 years or less… and don’t see beck sticking around much longer unless his wife and kids love the area.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Problem is if he does well can we offer a competitive package to retain him as HC in waiting? Don’t see Dino leaving in 2 years or less… and don’t see beck sticking around much longer unless his wife and kids love the area.

Maybe we can offer Jaime a NIL deal to stay.

 

[kcsu]

I do too, but I also see two bad hires as a negative.

Martin and two step Gilly were dandies.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

The change in OC that year was like the change in either Co this year.

Dino was responsible for that roster. It was year 5, there was no excuse. He shouldn't get a pass.

That being said, in a normal year we likely go 3-9 that year with an FCS and an extra G5 game. That still stinks but it isn't as bad as 1-10.

There are national sportswriters who fully throw out 2020 (good or bad) as an indication of anything.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Maybe we can offer Jaime a NIL deal to stay.

Why stop there? Offer her 3 kids as well. Need to get creative.

 

[Lukeyloo]

SU football has been a program without a stable foundation for decades. It seems like Dino might have finally formed that foundation for the program and success will become more commonplace. As hard as it has been, Dino deserved the school's patience because he (and previous coaches) were not provided sufficient resources for success.

 

[Lukeyloo]

Martin and two step Gilly were dandies.

the question is: were those his preferred hires, or were they the result of a shoestring budget?

 

[CousCuse]

Martin and two step Gilly were dandies.

Gilbert went out and brought in Shradder and his ground game in 21 was one of the best in SU history. He's the OC at Ole Miss now and I think the Kiffin's know what they're doing.

 

[SU91]

SU football has been a program without a stable foundation for decades. It seems like Dino might have finally formed that foundation for the program and success will become more commonplace. As hard as it has been, Dino deserved the school's patience because he (and previous coaches) were not provided sufficient resources for success.

Stability is key. With Dino, I think multiple things can be true at the same time. He’s not a good coach yet might finally be stabilizing and improving the program. He made some blunders with coaching decisions etc while not having the resources to compete either. It took a really long time, maybe too long, but he’s rounding into shape. Things are better than they have been, so that’s a positive. HOWEVER…

He needs to win. He’s still not a good coach. He’s not a great recruiter (although this class is pretty good so far). He’s not a great game manager. Everyone talks about him being a CEO, but he’s made some horrible coaching hires. So, after this period of time, there’s no more wait and see. He has to win, meaning at least a winning season.

I like him as coach. He’s seemingly done some nice things. But football doesn’t operate in a bubble. Other coaches are program building too. If he can’t take us to a bowl this year, like it or not, it’s hard to make an argument for him.

 

[sufandu]

The change in OC that year was like the change in either Co this year.

Dino was responsible for that roster. It was year 5, there was no excuse. He shouldn't get a pass.

That being said, in a normal year we likely go 3-9 that year with an FCS and an extra G5 game. That still stinks but it isn't as bad as 1-10.

You think all those coordinator changes were the same? I see huge differences. Beck runs the exact same system as was run last year, learned under Anae, and is familiar with the roster. Long is the archtect of the defense we run as well as a former successful head coach and White was a protege. He's a clear upgrade. It seems pretty clear those are completely different than Gilbert. Of course, it's fair to say Gilbert was a botched hire, and that's on Dino. However, to his credit, he cut his losses pretty quickly.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

You think all those coordinator changes were the same? I see huge differences. Beck runs the exact same system as was run last year, learned under Anae, and is familiar with the roster. Long is the archtect of the defense we run as well as a former successful head coach and White was a protege. He's a clear upgrade. It seems pretty clear those are completely different than Gilbert. Of course, it's fair to say Gilbert was a botched hire, and that's on Dino. However, to his credit, he cut his losses pretty quickly.

Do we know that Beck will run the same exact system? Will he make changes? Does he have different opinions than Anae? Does he have any prior OC experience?

I think Long and Gilbert are pretty similar situations. In both cases it is the same general system. In both cases it is an "upgraded" Co in that system. In both cases there was some separation between the current and former Cos. In Gilbert's case he was left with the former OC still on staff and had the HC who was also part of the system. If anything the transition should have been easier than Long's, who is on his own.

Of course Gilbert is not the coach that Long is, but is the above not true?

 

[sutomcat]

With all due respect, I disagree with the idea that 2020 was going to be a good season. New coordinators with no spring ball. One of them being Sterling Gilbert.

I knew when the players boycotted practice for a few days in August, that team was toast. I cant remember the reason, if it was they didnt feel safe practicing or what, but they were they only team I heard about boycotting practice. They weren't willing to sacrifice under those circumstances. They didnt have a championship mindset under those conditions.

Our 2 deep was a mess going into the season. Rhino god bless him, starting on the Oline with Tommy D who cant handle pressure and it was destined for failure.

I think with the original schedule and normal circumstances, the team would have finished around .500. Not ideal and not what we want but a lot better than what actually happened.

Dealing with a pandemic was something unprecedented. I think SU did a suspect job handling the pandemic, especially early, when they were very miserly with testing, which rightly caused the player revolt. That didn't help things.

IMHO, you can't expect coaches to make adjustments to it as though it was a normal season. I thought Dino did very well to get the team to the point where the players bought in, stayed relatively healthy and played all the games scheduled.

Only a handful of other P5 schools did that.

And the schedule did get toughened dramatically.

I think it is reasonable to consider that year an outlier. But this is America and you can think what you want.

 

[Bulldog04]

Define support. Until last couple seasons Dino wasnt able to hire above a certain pedigree.

Support meaning making millions of dollars doing your job 40 pct of the time. Hiring other people. Not getting fired. Continue to get benefit of the doubt that “he’s a good coach”. When In actuality he’s one of the worst in game coaches I’ve ever seen. I will always support football and buy tickets but it’s not bc of Dino anymore

 

[Chip]

With the transfer portal, changing coaches isn't the uphill climb it used to be.

Not saying I'm interested in doing it, but just saying that the idea of having to start over just isn't what it used to be.

I believe that we'll see our best combo of OC/DC in the Dino era in 2023.

 

[OrangePA]

I do too, but I also see two bad hires as a negative.

I guess I don't have enough information to conclude that the hires were bad.

If you are referring to the OL coach, I was very happy with the decision to hire him and felt that for a decent period he did a solid job.

I also liked the OC and QB hires last year.

I liked the two DC hires over the past three or four years.

I like the special teams coach hire last year.

Coaches have success in certain situations and do not have success in other situations - you never really know.

All in all, I feel very good about how Babers has built his staff.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Do we know that Beck will run the same exact system?

It'll probably be a little different.

I know this - Beck's going to put the ball in the air.

Assuming he stays healthy, Shrader is going to smash the single season completions and passing yardage single season records.