How poorly did Wilson really play?

[upperdeck]

17-27 is not awful. one of the Ints was a bad read, the other was a triple deflector. Kid hasnt been in a game in a yr so not unexpected.

he had a couple he threw into the dirt trying to throw it away with no one open. does it really matter if he throws it high and outside or into the ground? one of those was a communication issue with the WR , maybe he made the right throw and the WR went the wrong way?

He also made the one nice throw on the run which i think was the our best throw by a QB all year.

He throws a nice ball, he throws more balls on target than Dungey. His issues are not being able to escape and designed runs

And I know many think he locks in on WR too much, but that ignores Dungey does the same thing and much of that is how our plays are designed.

Many of our plays are pre snap and throw and not progression reads, I think that plays to his strengths..

He hasn't really played much and when he has its been some tough spots.. several games where the starter got hurt. he has played FSU/UL/Clemson and a good Duke team in 2014

 

[TheCusian]

He throws a nice ball, he throws more balls on target than Dungey.

I don't think this is true at all. He throws a better looking pass, but I'm not sure they are on target.

Amba looked frustrated on one where he was open the ball was 3 ft above his head.

All that said, if Dungey can't go - I trust Babers and Lewis to make the right call.

 

[Cuse_Albs]

I really don't understand some people on this board's infatuation with Wilson. I really like the kid. Like how he's stuck it out these last few years especially when the team was not having success and he was not getting much time.

HOWEVER

He has consistently turned the ball over...7 Ints (At least 5 of which were flat out bad reads/passes). He has 1 TD pass in which Jamal Custis pulled down a jump ball. He's played tough defenses but then again so has every other QB we've had since joining the ACC, of course with varying results. Of the 5 QBs we've played since joining the ACC (Mitch Kimble, AJ Long, Terrel Hunt, Mahoney, and Dungey) I believe only Kimble would give us less of a chance of winning (and that is FR year Kimble).

I really do like Wilson. He got the short-end of Marrone recruiting him and then bailing, but at some point enough is enough. Wilson is flat out a good D1-FCS or high-D2 caliber player. He looks the part, has a strong arm, but does not have the intangibles that it takes to win at the Power-5 or even FBS level, IMO. I am surprised at the fact that he came in after Dungey left. I almost think they knew the game was over at that point and didn't want to risk injury to their 2nd-stringer. If not, he must have shone something in practice, something that no fan can possibly say they've seen out of him on gameday so far.

This is just my 2 cents, and I believe in Dino whole-heartedly. He WILL be the one who takes us back to greatness.

Lets hope Dungey is ready this Saturday. Beat NC State and Pitt and lets go bowling!!

 

[Deuga]

I think it's difficult to really rate Wilson's effectiveness when the only thing we've got to go on is his performance against one of the top D's in the country. I'd think it's a huge difference for Wilson between facing Clemson in Death Valley vs. facing NC State in the dome. However, I hope Dungey is healthy.

 

[721Comstock]

I think it's difficult to really rate Wilson's effectiveness when the only thing we've got to go on is his performance against one of the top D's in the country. I'd think it's a huge difference for Wilson between facing Clemson in Death Valley vs. facing NC State in the dome. However, I hope Dungey is healthy.

Wilson's career stats now include 1TD and 7 INT's, right?
I don't think we need to see any more, to know what we do (or don't) have here with him.

 

[money3189]

I really don't understand some people on this board's infatuation with Wilson. I really like the kid. Like how he's stuck it out these last few years especially when the team was not having success and he was not getting much time.

HOWEVER

He has consistently turned the ball over...7 Ints (At least 5 of which were flat out bad reads/passes). He has 1 TD pass in which Jamal Custis pulled down a jump ball. He's played tough defenses but then again so has every other QB we've had since joining the ACC, of course with varying results. Of the 5 QBs we've played since joining the ACC (Mitch Kimble, AJ Long, Terrel Hunt, Mahoney, and Dungey) I believe only Kimble would give us less of a chance of winning (and that is FR year Kimble).

I really do like Wilson. He got the short-end of Marrone recruiting him and then bailing, but at some point enough is enough. Wilson is flat out a good D1-FCS or high-D2 caliber player. He looks the part, has a strong arm, but does not have the intangibles that it takes to win at the Power-5 or even FBS level, IMO. I am surprised at the fact that he came in after Dungey left. I almost think they knew the game was over at that point and didn't want to risk injury to their 2nd-stringer. If not, he must have shone something in practice, something that no fan can possibly say they've seen out of him on gameday so far.

This is just my 2 cents, and I believe in Dino whole-heartedly. He WILL be the one who takes us back to greatness.

Lets hope Dungey is ready this Saturday. Beat NC State and Pitt and lets go bowling!!

Your right on with this post.

 

[money3189]

17-27 is not awful. one of the Ints was a bad read, the other was a triple deflector. Kid hasnt been in a game in a yr so not unexpected.

he had a couple he threw into the dirt trying to throw it away with no one open. does it really matter if he throws it high and outside or into the ground? one of those was a communication issue with the WR , maybe he made the right throw and the WR went the wrong way?

He also made the one nice throw on the run which i think was the our best throw by a QB all year.

He throws a nice ball, he throws more balls on target than Dungey. His issues are not being able to escape and designed runs

And I know many think he locks in on WR too much, but that ignores Dungey does the same thing and much of that is how our plays are designed.

Many of our plays are pre snap and throw and not progression reads, I think that plays to his strengths..

He hasn't really played much and when he has its been some tough spots.. several games where the starter got hurt. he has played FSU/UL/Clemson and a good Duke team in 2014

I like the optimism. I wish I can share it with you but I can't. What changes for me is that our O line is not good. We dont have a running game. Our best running plays involved Dungey running. We will have to throw alot and become one dimensional. The D line will pass rush the whole game. Wilson will have to move around the pocket to make his throws and that's his weakness. He cant make plays when things breakdown. He freezes.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

We won't be seeing Wilson on Saturday so it doesn't matter. He looked fine to me as well, without the penalties and with a running game he might even get into a rhythm.

That said, this offense needs a mobile QB to keep defenses honest. Wilson is not that guy.

 

[SWC75]

He played about as well as his teammates.

I can remember when we were "all set" at quarterback for years to come with Austin Wilson and Zach Allen.

 

[CusefanATL]

17-27 is not awful. one of the Ints was a bad read, the other was a triple deflector. Kid hasnt been in a game in a yr so not unexpected.

he had a couple he threw into the dirt trying to throw it away with no one open. does it really matter if he throws it high and outside or into the ground? one of those was a communication issue with the WR , maybe he made the right throw and the WR went the wrong way?

He also made the one nice throw on the run which i think was the our best throw by a QB all year.

He throws a nice ball, he throws more balls on target than Dungey. His issues are not being able to escape and designed runs

And I know many think he locks in on WR too much, but that ignores Dungey does the same thing and much of that is how our plays are designed.

Many of our plays are pre snap and throw and not progression reads, I think that plays to his strengths..

He hasn't really played much and when he has its been some tough spots.. several games where the starter got hurt. he has played FSU/UL/Clemson and a good Duke team in 2014

17/27 for 116 yds is beyond awful. YPA is a much more useful stat than just about anything for a QB and 10x more important than completion percentage. 4.3 YPA is astonishingly poor.

 

[bcubs9497]

After rewatching the game (can't see crap when you're actually there), I don't think Wilson played as bad as I remembered. Sure, it wasn't great, probably not even "good", but no QB plays well when the OL is pretty much a colander. And, honestly, I doubt that Eric would've made much of a difference in the final outcome had be played all 4 quarters; Maybe we get 10 points on the board. Just not enough protection.

 

[Newhouser]

Let's see what he looks like with a full week of reps, against a team that isn't as loaded on the front line. Tough spot for him. He didn't look great, but I'm not judging him off Saturday.

 

[Dcuse]

After rewatching the game (can't see crap when you're actually there), I don't think Wilson played as bad as I remembered. Sure, it wasn't great, probably not even "good", but no QB plays well when the OL is pretty much a colander. And, honestly, I doubt that Eric would've made much of a difference in the final outcome had be played all 4 quarters; Maybe we get 10 points on the board. Just not enough protection.

I'm sorry but the OL wasn't nearly as bad as people are trying to say here. I rewatched a different game than you and thought he had decent time to throw the ball. When a guy gets intentional grounding flags picked up because there was no pressure, it means he can't go beyond one read and sure as hell can't make anything happen with his legs. His performance was bad and it wasn't the OL's fault.

 

[PAcuse]

I said this in the Wilson recruiting post (and got yelled at). I went to see him play in High School, the kid threw the hell out of the ball and he threw a bunch high and away from receivers. This was against a really bad team, I was really hoping and rooting for him to be able to fix that issue. Did he have a great game, no. Did he have a terrible game, no. Is he a D1 P5 starting QB, no. How much should we really expect out of a kid that has not played much at all versus a top 3 team?

 

[PhatOrange]

Austin locks on to a primary target and that is it. He's throwing to option A no matter what. He'll stand in the pocket because he doesn't want to run, so that is a good thing, but man if he has to try and make a play forget it, it's going to be a disaster. Telegraphs his throws, is slow to get the ball out. He's not a P5 QB. He makes Troy Nunes look like and All American.

I'd rather live with a few Mahoney throws into the dirt than Wilson.

 

[bcubs9497]

I'm sorry but the OL wasn't nearly as bad as people are trying to say here. I rewatched a different game than you and thought he had decent time to throw the ball. When a guy gets intentional grounding flags picked up because there was no pressure, it means he can't go beyond one read and sure as hell can't make anything happen with his legs. His performance was bad and it wasn't the OL's fault.

OL isn't good. If they can't give a QB a good 3-5 seconds to throw, then they suck. That simple. Now, as to Wilson's ability to see the field, that, too, sucks. But he at least has to have some time.

 

[PhatOrange]

I thought Wilson's non-grounding may have slipped out of his hand. Ball seemed to float.

but...the line is OK at pass protect and terrible in the run game. The Clemson DLine was meeting the RB's behind the LOS.

I'd believe the line will get better by default. How many starts between them right now? And guys will be pushed next year as there are 4 kids redshirting. More competition makes everyone better.

 

[upperdeck]

17/27 for 116 yds is beyond awful. YPA is a much more useful stat than just about anything for a QB and 10x more important than completion percentage. 4.3 YPA is astonishingly poor.

I guess i miss the part where the QB is calling the plays in this system. and YPA is heavily skewed by passes that have no place to be completed. thats not on the qb..

 

[upperdeck]

Austin locks on to a primary target and that is it. He's throwing to option A no matter what. He'll stand in the pocket because he doesn't want to run, so that is a good thing, but man if he has to try and make a play forget it, it's going to be a disaster. Telegraphs his throws, is slow to get the ball out. He's not a P5 QB. He makes Troy Nunes look like and All American.

I'd rather live with a few Mahoney throws into the dirt than Wilson.

dungey does the same thing.. you would be hard pressed to find 20% of the passes we throw that are not to option A. Wilson is no better or worse at it.

The part you cant tell is if he is finding the right option A.

His issue in the limited times he has played has been not reading the coverage and throwing into coverage. Our plays are designed for reads on the DB and that requires holding the ball on some plays

 

[Millhouse]

we don't need any more wilson threads. the guy has thrown 1 td and 7 picks in 85 passes for under 5 yards per attempt and offers nothing on the ground.

i'm not going to get upset if he struggles but enough already

 

[CusefanATL]

I guess i miss the part where the QB is calling the plays in this system. and YPA is heavily skewed by passes that have no place to be completed. thats not on the qb..

No matter what, 27 attempts to 116 yards is terrible.

 

[CousCuse]

Maybe Wilson's situation at SU is like AET's at Maryland . Your buried on the depth chart , you get 1 chance and make a mistake because of the pressure and then you get buried some more .

 

[TheCusian]

Maybe Wilson's situation at SU is like AET's at Maryland . Your buried on the depth chart , you get 1 chance and make a mistake because of the pressure and then you get buried some more .

Or he's just not good.

 

[CousCuse]

Or he's just not good.

And apparently that is what most people thought about AET . And were they wrong .

 

[721Comstock]

And apparently that is what most people thought about AET . And were they wrong .

AET needed to switch programs to find success.

So - Wilson clearly needs to transfer to Maryland then.