How Soon They Forget

[sutomcat]

Someone is missing from this list.

Huge oversight. Some of the guys listed are bad but no one is in the class of our guy.

 

[bevosu]

Sadly I agree.

Edit-Too bad we can't.

 

[Toga]

Lane Kiffen = Schmuck

 

[Frozen]

It's like the list was written by somebody who has only been following college football for the last four years. And Chizik only won a national title at Auburn, that's all.

 

[MSOrange]

Someone is missing from this list.

Huge oversight. Some of the guys listed are bad but no one is in the class of our guy.

I totally agree. Several of those guys are bad but not GRob bad. Those last couple years of GRob I was watching basically just for a miracle and to say that I wasn't a fair weather fan.

 

[Moontan]

Someone is missing from this list.

Huge oversight. Some of the guys listed are bad but no one is in the class of our guy.

Who?

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Does Kiffin have a photo of Saban with a live young boy or a dead young girl?

 

[Jeepers]

List of 10, with 40 clicks to read the whole thing. Lovely.

 

[anomander]

Someone is missing from this list.

Huge oversight. Some of the guys listed are bad but no one is in the class of our guy.

Right on Tom. What kind of list is this? Chizik won a freaking national title. Fanbases would be eternally grateful for 1 of those. Maybe only poor Zooker could give G-Rob a run at the #1 worst HC of the BCS era. He single handily destroyed a once proud program. Amazingly managed a 1 win season. Our program made the quickest turn to a laughing stock then any other program ever. It's 6 years later and we are still suffering from the perception doldrums he put us in.

 

[OrangePA]

Someone is missing from this list.

Huge oversight. Some of the guys listed are bad but no one is in the class of our guy.

It still makes no sense to me.

Here is a guy with an impeccable football coaching pedigree.

At UCLA he goes to the Rose Bowl as both an offensive and defensive coach.

He is a successful DC for the Jets - under Pete Carroll.

He wins two (?) Super Bowls with the Broncos - under Mike Shanahan.

He is exposed to a series of great Head Coaches.

He is a great guy - honest, decent, personable, good looking.

And when he gets to SU he gives no indication that he had formulated any real plan for being a HC - as opposed to say, Doug Marrone, who clearly did have a plan.

After all the years of preparation. That's what truly puzzles me.

 

[OrangePA]

Right on Tom. Maybe only poor Zooker could give G-Rob a run at the #1 worst HC of the BCS era. He single handily destroyed a once proud program. Amazingly managed a 1 win season. Our program made the quickest turn to a laughing stock then any other program ever. It's 6 years later and we are still suffering from the perception doldrums he put us in.

Zook took a bad program to the Rose Bowl.

His last team went 6-6 and to a bowl game.

He should not be on the list.

 

[rrlbees]

Right on Tom. What kind of list is this? Chizik won a freaking national title. Fanbases would be eternally grateful for 1 of those. Maybe only poor Zooker could give G-Rob a run at the #1 worst HC of the BCS era. He single handily destroyed a once proud program. Amazingly managed a 1 win season. Our program made the quickest turn to a laughing stock then any other program ever. It's 6 years later and we are still suffering from the perception doldrums he put us in.

He should be on the list, but I still maintain he didn't destroy a program when just the 2nd season after he was fired we were in a bowl game with a better record than the 3 years prior to his hiring. His 4 years were bad but it wasn't unrecoverable.

 

[SU2NASA]

My favorite line under Tim Brewster: "Minnesota isn't exactly a national power."

That's not what the Minnesota fans tell me...

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Zook took a bad program to the Rose Bowl.

His last team went 6-6 and to a bowl game.

He should not be on the list.

I agree with this. He was certainly overzealous and the stories of him working out around the players and pumping his chest at his lifting ability as if he was a player are pretty funny, but he was inarguably one of the best recruiters in the country. He went 8-5, 8-5 and 7-5 and to 3 bowl games at Florida in the SEC which everyone in the country has proclaimed to be and to have been the best football conference in the country for ever and ever and ever. Urban Meyer won his national championship in 2007 at Florida with Zook's players, as 22 of the 24 starters on that team were recruited to Florida by Zook. He simply wasn't as good as Steve Spurrier, the "old ball coach", who went on to the NFL. Not many are, including Muschamp. He went to a really bad Illinois football program and took them to the Rose Bowl and 9 wins in 2007 and personally winning both the Big 10 and Liberty Mutual national coach of the year award and to bowl games in 2010 and 2011. He doesn't belong in the discussion. Gerg was better at sucking than Zook!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You know, I'm going to just forgive the oversight here. No need to dwell on it.

Wait, what were you talking about again?

 

[007]

He should be on the list, but I still maintain he didn't destroy a program when just the 2nd season after he was fired we were in a bowl game with a better record than the 3 years prior to his hiring. His 4 years were bad but it wasn't unrecoverable.

I tend to think that the fact that Marrone was able to "recover" the program so quickly is even MORE damning to Robinson's legacy of infamy. Robinson was not just "bad" as a HC. He was an absolute disaster and a laughing stock. And the program is still paying a price for that in terms of national perception.

 

[HtownOrange]

I maintain GRob is a great #2 guy and a bad #1. He rebuilt and focused Texas Defense mid-season, salvaging the season. So.e guys are great various roles but cannot handle the top dog slot.

 

[Cuseregular]

It still makes no sense to me.

Here is a guy with an impeccable football coaching pedigree.

At UCLA he goes to the Rose Bowl as both an offensive and defensive coach.

He is a successful DC for the Jets - under Pete Carroll.

He wins two (?) Super Bowls with the Broncos - under Mike Shanahan.

He is exposed to a series of great Head Coaches.

He is a great guy - honest, decent, personable, good looking.

And when he gets to SU he gives no indication that he had formulated any real plan for being a HC - as opposed to say, Doug Marrone, who clearly did have a plan.

After all the years of preparation. That's what truly puzzles me.

just simply not a leader/leader or men, lacking those inherent instinctual leadership skills. A great assnt, etc. kinds of like another coach here...... I keed, I keed.....

 

[rrlbees]

I tend to think that the fact that Marrone was able to "recover" the program so quickly is even MORE damning to Robinson's legacy of infamy. Robinson was not just "bad" as a HC. He was an absolute disaster and a laughing stock. And the program is still paying a price for that in terms of national perception.

I'll stick with what I posted. It's all facts. And I wasn't addressing his ability as a HC. His four years show those results. I was addressing the program and the idea it was driven into the depths of hell.

 

[GFTakedown]

Last 20 years worst coaches by school.

ACC
Frank Spaziani (BC): 22-29 3 yrs
Tommy West (Clemson): 31-28 5 yrs
Ted Roof (Duke): 6-45 5 yrs
None (FSU):
Bill Lewis (GT): 11-19 3 yrs
Steve Kragthorpe (Louisville): 15-21 3 yrs
Randy Shannon (Miami): 28-22 4 yrs
Mike Cain (NC State): 41-40 7 yrs
Johnny Majors (Pitt): 12-32 4 yrs (2nd run)
Greg Robinson (Syracuse): 10-37 4 yrs
John Bunting (UNC): 27-45 6 yrs
Mike London (Virginia): 18-31 4 yrs
None (Virginia Tech):
Jim Caldwell (Wake Forest): 26-63 8 yrs

Big 10
Ron Turner (Illinois): 35-57 8 yrs
Gerry DiNardo (Indiana): 8-27 3 yrs
None (Iowa):
Randy Edsall (Maryland): 13-24 3 yrs
Rich Rodriguez (UMich): 15-22 3 yrs
John L Smith (Mich St): 22-26 4 yrs
Tim Brewster (Minnesota): 15-30 4 yrs
None (Nebraska):
Randy Walker (Northwestern): 37-45 7 yrs
Luke Fickell (tOSU): 6-7 1 yr *Interim coach*
None (PSU):
Danny Hope (Purdue): 22-27 4 yrs
Terry Shea (Rutgers): 11-44 5 yrs
None (Wisconsin):

Big12
Kevin Steele (Baylor): 9-36 4 yrs
Gene Chizik (Iowa State): 5-19 2 yrs
Turner Gill/Charlie Weis (Kansas): 5-19 2 yrs / 4-20 2 yrs
Ron Prince (Kansas St): 17-20 3 yrs
John Blake (Oklahoma): 12-22 3 yrs
Bob Simmons (Ok State): 30-38 5 yrs
Pat Sullivan (TCU): 24-42-1 6 yrs
Tommy Tuberville (TTU): 20-17 3 yrs
None (UT):
Dana Holgorson (WVU): 21-17 3 yrs

Pac 12
John Mackovic (Arizona): 10-18 2.5 yrs
Dennis Erickson (Arizona St): 31-31 5 yrs
Tom Holmoe (Cal): 12-43 5 yrs
Jon Embree (Colorado): 4-21 2 yrs
None (Oregon):
Jerry Pettibone (Oregon St): 13-52-1
Walt Harris (Stanford): 6-17 2 yrs
Rick Neuheisel (UCLA): 21-29 4 yrs
Paul Hackett (USC): 19-18 3 yrs
None (Utah):
Tyrone Willingham (Washington): 11-37 4 yrs
Paul Wulff (Wash St): 9-40 4 yrs

SEC
Mike DuBose (Alabama): 24-23 4 yrs
John L Smith (Arkansas): 4-8 1 yr
None (Auburn):
None (Florida):
None (Georgia):
Joker Phillips (Kentucky): 13-24 3 yrs
None (LSU):
Sylvester Croom (Miss St): 21-38 5 yrs
Larry Smith (Missouri): 33-46-1 7 yrs
Ed Orgeron (Ole Miss): 10-25 3 yrs
Brad Scott (South Carolina): 23-32-1 5 yrs
Derek Dooley (Tennessee): 15-21 in 3 yrs
Mike Sherman (TAMU): 25-25 4 yrs
Robbie Caldwell (Vandy): 2-10 1 yr

Other
Rick Minter (Cincinnati): 53-63-1 10 yrs
Tyrone Willingham (Notre Dame): 21-15 3 yrs
Paul Pasqualoni (UConn): 10-18 2.5 yrs
Skip Holtz (USF): 16-21 3 yrs

 

[OrangeTarheel]

I maintain GRob is a great #2 guy and a bad #1. He rebuilt and focused Texas Defense mid-season, salvaging the season. So.e guys are great various roles but cannot handle the top dog slot.

He sure is a #2!

Unfortunately, we're still asking ourselves "Who does number two work for?"

 

[suloyalfan]

It still makes no sense to me.

Here is a guy with an impeccable football coaching pedigree.

At UCLA he goes to the Rose Bowl as both an offensive and defensive coach.

He is a successful DC for the Jets - under Pete Carroll.

He wins two (?) Super Bowls with the Broncos - under Mike Shanahan.

He is exposed to a series of great Head Coaches.

He is a great guy - honest, decent, personable, good looking.

And when he gets to SU he gives no indication that he had formulated any real plan for being a HC - as opposed to say, Doug Marrone, who clearly did have a plan.

After all the years of preparation. That's what truly puzzles me.

Simple, most people are better followers than leaders regardless of the skillset and experience they bring to the table. Anyone who has been out in the real world working for more than a couple years has had those bosses/supervisors. You know the ones... they were promoted because they've been there the longest, but they couldn't lead their way out of a dark tunnel with a light up ahead.

 

[thorpedo]

His name should no longer be spoken on this forum. We should just refer to him as "the one we don't speak of" like in a Harry potter book. His name makes my skin crawl.

 

[FAL]

And when he gets to SU he gives no indication that he had formulated any real plan for being a HC - as opposed to say, Doug Marrone, who clearly did have a plan.

What'd ya mean no plan? Marrone had his notebooks; Groober had this:

 

[OrangePA]

Simple, most people are better followers than leaders regardless of the skillset and experience they bring to the table. Anyone who has been out in the real world working for more than a couple years has had those bosses/supervisors. You know the ones... they were promoted because they've been there the longest, but they couldn't lead their way out of a dark tunnel with a light up ahead.

That's not my view.

Robinson was a leader when it came to coaching his defenses - he ran the show.

And nobody questioned his leadership at SU - it was his program - no doubt.

He just didn't have a plan - he really seemed to have no idea what he wanted to do as HC.

It seems that he had never really thought about how he would run a college program.

Maybe he never envisioned himself as a college HC but rather as an NFL HC.

I don't think it was lack of "leadership."