How the HELL did Allen beat out Hunt?

[JohnCuse44]

Same reason Kurt Warner went un-drafted and played arena football. Then went to to be 2 time NFL MVP and Super Bowl champ.

Evaluating quarterbacks is not a science and it seems even the experts get it wrong more times than they get it right. You can have all the tangible qualities of a great QB and never be able to put it together in an actual game situation.

Allen was probably better in practice and that is all the coaches see until games are played. I think the coaching staff did a pretty good job figuring it out as fast as they did.

There just seems to be something totally unpredictable about QB performance. It's cheesy but call it the X factor. You can have the strongest art, the most accurate throw and the best ability to read the defense but unless you can put that together in a real game situation your not a good QB.

Whatever "that thing" is Hunt appears to have it and Allen doesn't.

 

[rrlbees]

Brady was a back-up at UM. George Patton failed his first year at West Point.
There is far more to to leading your team at QB than performance in passing drills.

They did a little more than passing drills.


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[ForeverOrange]

In some fairness to Allen, there is a world of difference between, on the one hand, PSU and NW, and on the other hand, Wagner and Tulane. The announcers said, for example, that Tulane's linebackers (which include Bob Marley's grandson!) all weigh less than 200 lbs.

To be honest, I would agree on NW, but I'm not so sure that Penn State light years better than Tulane.

 

[SWC75]

One of the post game show hosts was saying that if we'd started with Wagner and Tulane and then played Penn State and Northwestern, we'd have been better off.

But I suspect Drew Allen would still be our quarterback. Maybe it was better to find out early.

 

[All4SU]

Hunt when he gets rolling past the DL to the 2nd level... wow, watch out.

Yeah, that run he made for the TD was pretty much all anyone should need to see.

 

[RF2044]

One of the psot game show hosts was saying that if we'd started with Wagner and Tulane and then played Penn State and Northwestern, we'd have been better off.

But I suspect Drew Allen would still be our quarterback. Maybe it was better to find out early.

Agree 100%. My father made the same point during today's game.

 

[AZOrange]

Brady was a back-up at UM. George Patton failed his first year at West Point.
There is far more to to leading your team at QB than performance in passing drills.

Brady was a backup and a starter at mich

 

[AZOrange]

Yeah, that run he made for the TD was pretty much all anyone should need to see.

He's not a blazer but has a lot of power. Reminds me a little of 5 back there at times (except arm strength)

 

[OrangePA]

Based on Shafer press conference, it seems that arm strength played a big role in the decision.

 

[igor]

Of all the people I know who either saw a scrimmage, were at Ft Drum, had insight to practice , even 1 who was at practices , not a single person ever said to me Hunt would be the QB. Every last one said Allen would be the starter.

that's why rick. u and your friends could never be more than assistant coaches.

 

[Millhouse]

Of all the people I know who either saw a scrimmage, were at Ft Drum, had insight to practice , even 1 who was at practices , not a single person ever said to me Hunt would be the QB. Every last one said Allen would be the starter.

None of them know anything.

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[rrlbees]

None of them know anything.

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Just like the coaches I guess.


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[goodroc]

on tv broadcast they compared hunt to pat white from wvu -- i think this is right on --

 

[Millhouse]

Just like the coaches I guess.

Apparently

If their preparation and practice is so unlike a game, you have to wonder what they're doing

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[igor]

on tv broadcast they compared hunt to pat white from wvu -- i think this is right on --

hunt has a nfl arm; white doesn't. remember I said that before jaws did.

 

[SWC75]

on tv broadcast they compared hunt to pat white from wvu -- i think this is right on --

I don't see the comparison at all. Pat White had tailback speed and couldn't pass as well.

 

[CusefanATL]

on tv broadcast they compared hunt to pat white from wvu -- i think this is right on --

WHAT? pat white ran a 4.3 40. hunt probably runs a 5.0 40.

the only comparison b/w pat white and hunt is that they are black.

 

[CuseFan]

One of the post game show hosts was saying that if we'd started with Wagner and Tulane and then played Penn State and Northwestern, we'd have been better off.

But I suspect Drew Allen would still be our quarterback. Maybe it was better to find out early.

Was thinking the same thing. We would still have Allen, as the team would have found a way to win the first 2 games. The quarterback position would still be up in the air. so one positive side effect of the scheduling.

Still I wish SU would schedule easier teams first to work out the kinks, build some confidence for the QB, and the team. And build some fan following and interest at the same time.

 

[newmexicuse]

In some fairness to Allen, there is a world of difference between, on the one hand, PSU and NW, and on the other hand, Wagner and Tulane. The announcers said, for example, that Tulane's linebackers (which include Bob Marley's grandson!) all weigh less than 200 lbs.

That having been said, I am very comfortable with Hunt as the QB. Our OL will not match up well against the better teams on our schedule, so a more mobile, creative QB is called for. Kudos to the coaching staff for having the courage to make this change so early in the season.

Excuse me, but Drew did not lose his job against PSU or NW - he lost against Wagner - nuff said.

 

[longislandcuse]

I think the announcers had a good summary of the bad hand Drew Allen was dealt. I'm all in with Hunt and am completely dumbfounded as to how Allen beat out Hunt who is already making some national headlines but Drew Allen started against 2 good teams with the coaching in a complete disarray, players running wrong routes and dropping balls. Terrell Hunt looks like the real deal, lets see how he handles Clemson and their defensive ends who will probably be in his grill all day.

 

[PASyrFan]

I think the announcers had a good summary of the bad hand Drew Allen was dealt. I'm all in with Hunt and am completely dumbfounded as to how Allen beat out Hunt who is already making some national headlines but Drew Allen started against 2 good teams with the coaching in a complete disarray, players running wrong routes and dropping balls. Terrell Hunt looks like the real deal, lets see how he handles Clemson and their defensive ends who will probably be in his grill all day.

It's been so much fun watching TH move the ball the past couple weeks. Let's not forget also that he drove the ball down the field against NW in mop up duty. NW was still playing starters & their HC was pissed off that we moved the ball with such ease. This situation reminds me of when McNabb came onto the scene. No one was sure what we had with McNabb until he beat WVU at the dome. Similarly, we won't really know for sure until Hunt can start beating ACC teams. Although Clemson may expose some of his warts, I think TH will still have his moments. It's our D that will get exposed more so than TH. Everyone is loving how he is going through his progressions & spreading the ball around. The problem is that he won't have that time against better competition. That's where I hope he uses his elusiveness to make plays. That was the beauty of McNabb in his younger days. Bottom line, when a QB battle is close, ALWAYS go with the more elusive guy who can make something happen with his feet. TH can do that & DA can't. It's as simple as that.

 

[RF2044]

I think the announcers had a good summary of the bad hand Drew Allen was dealt. I'm all in with Hunt and am completely dumbfounded as to how Allen beat out Hunt who is already making some national headlines but Drew Allen started against 2 good teams with the coaching in a complete disarray, players running wrong routes and dropping balls. Terrell Hunt looks like the real deal, lets see how he handles Clemson and their defensive ends who will probably be in his grill all day.

I don't buy that--the announcers were absolving Allen of the blame--especially on tipped balls and INTs. What I saw on television and live @ northwestern wasn't players running the wrong routes.

I saw a player who looked completely uncomfortable with the offense, play calling, and who was totally out of sync with his teammates. Contrary to what the announcers suggested during yesterday's telecast, our early season offensive woes had a LOT to do with Allen. Many of those players quickly went away once the switch was made.

Too many excuses for Allen's performance, when the truth is that he just doesn't quite have the chops to be a D1 QB.

 

[cuseinchina]

Just like the coaches I guess.

You gotta admit it does seem like a tremendous stretch that Allen clearly outmatched Hunt all pre-season but performs so badly compared to Hunt in the game...it requires leaps of the imagination to see this as being anywhere close to reality. Especially the game management and getting plays in type stuff that contributes to flow - Hunt came in against NW with the second stringers and the difference in command and flow was just so stark - could it really have been otherwise in scrimmage and simulated game situations in practice? It's possible, just hard to see.

 

[MikeSU02]

You gotta admit it does seem like a tremendous stretch that Allen clearly outmatched Hunt all pre-season but performs so badly compared to Hunt in the game...it requires leaps of the imagination to see this as being anywhere close to reality. Especially the game management and getting plays in type stuff that contributes to flow - Hunt came in against NW with the second stringers and the difference in command and flow was just so stark - could it really have been otherwise in scrimmage and simulated game situations in practice? It's possible, just hard to see.

Yup. And the team wanted Hunt. So to choose Allen as your first major personnel decision, you would have had to be pretty confident that Allen was the guy.

Unless, of course, the reality is that the fifth year senior transfer wasn't going anywhere without an assurance of starting.

BTW, please remember that this decision was made with the coaches knowing how little talent we have at the WR position.


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[Millhouse]

WHAT? pat white ran a 4.3 40. hunt probably runs a 5.0 40.

the only comparison b/w pat white and hunt is that they are black.

Maybe roethisberger? Not as good obviously. But big athletic without being fast and doesn't have the classic perfect arm but is tough and wins

This is wishful thinking of course I'm stretching

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