How the tide has turned.

[rundeal]

Yup...and IMO the nassib, sales, lemon, Pugh senior year team completely under achieved. They should have won more games. Losses to northwestern, Minny, Rutgers, Cincy were all winnable and games Marrone should have won.

I think it's fair to point out that the 2012 didn't have nearly as good a defense as the 2010 team. Collectively they gave up 325 points including games of 42, 42, 36, 35.

Someone else mentioned that the schedule they played in 2012 was much easier than an ACC schedule - found that ridiculous. The 2012 team played 4 Big 10 schools (NW, Minny, Rutgers, and WV), a PAC 12 team (USC), an SEC team (Missouri) that the next year played in the SEC championship game and two ACC teams (Pitt and 'Ville). Add in Cincy, USF, UConn and Temple - that wasn't a bad schedule.

Losing games they should have won, and there were several - is as much on the coaches as the players...

 

[MadNY3]

He is Assistant Head Coach and OL Coach. Very different than being just an OL coach and I am sure hugely different in pay scale as well.

He was the HC of an NFL team who left for another position and didn't get hired by many teams who were looking.

Has to be the most bizarre HC change in the NFL since Jerry Johnson leaving the Cowgirls after the second Super Bowl win. And that too was ego driven.

 

[GoSU96]

We know you love Marrone, so let it go, he wasn't a saint, and has shown he will bolt given the chance. He has run away from 2 jobs before he finished the job, it was just a matter of time before he left Syracuse.

The point of the original post wasn't Marrone, it was about the state of the AD vs where it was two years ago.

Others chose to fixate on one minor comment.

 

[anomander]

I think it's fair to point out that the 2012 didn't have nearly as good a defense as the 2010 team. Collectively they game up 325 points including games of 42, 42, 36, 35.

Someone else mentioned that the schedule they played in 2012 was much easier than an ACC schedule - found that ridiculous. The 2012 team played 4 Big 10 schools (NW, Minny, Rutgers, and WV), a PAC 12 team (USC), an SEC team (Missouri) that the next year played in the SEC championship game and two ACC teams (Pitt and 'Ville). Add in Cincy, USF, UConn and Temple - that wasn't a bad schedule.

Losing games they should have won, and there were several - is as much on the coaches as the players...

Exactly. No way the 2013 schedule was that much more difficult. And even it was we still got absolutely hammered in the tougher games (FSU, Clemson, GT, NW) so what does that really prove?

Either way I think the point of the thread was that things have got worse from where we ended the 2012 season. I know people hate Marrone, but I don't know how anybody can reasonably deny that.

 

[Full_Rebar]

After all this stuff with the NCAA, are people surprised that any Syracuse HC would want to leave for a better opportunity if presented with it? I mean does Gross sound like someone who qualifies as a great person to work for?

I'd say the state of Syracuse Athletics can be summed up by the phrase "addition by subtraction". Better days are surely ahead.

 

[Scooch]

As to the original post... sports, like life, is cyclical. SU's had a rough patch the last 6 months or so, but we'll get better.

So, yeah, whatever.

 

[storange]

Hit bottom I hope only way now is up

 

[OrangePA]

The message being he took an NFL job when his stock was hot.

Sorry, but even if Marrone told me so himself, the notion that he left for the Bills because the SU job wasn't all he was promised, is ludicrous.

Yes, but two things.

I suspect that he was surprised by the interest.

And, he felt apparently that he was not being given what he had been promised by the University,

 

[OrangeDW]

True. But on top of a new coaching staff coming in, we also had to replace all of the key principals on offense in 2013 [Nassib, Lemon, Sales, Pugh].

The 2013 team's record was as impressive as the 2012 team's, IMO. The 2012 team was capable of more, but blew opportunities to win coming out of the gate. The 2013 won every 50/50 game except for one.

Pugh was hurt early in the year and I believe did not play in 3 of the losses. The team that struggled against Minn. and Rutgers could've used a healthy Pugh.

Also that horrible late hit call cost us the Northwestern game.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think that Marrone only left because he expected that he was going to land the Jets HC gig. So, he exploited a loophole, pocketed $2M on the way out the door, and went off to interview for his hometown team with the expectation that he'd quickly land on his feet in another head coaching job.

Only problem is, he didn't get that job. So it was a miscalculation on Marrone's part [if he wanted to transition right to another HC job]. And the longer he swung in the breeze interviewing for other team's vacancies, the more ugly details came out regarding his departure from Buffalo and the more his name got dragged through the mud.

I know that Marrone didn't like the situation at Buffalo, but I'm willing to bet that he wouldn't have opted out of his contract if he knew in advance that he wouldn't get that Jets HC gig [or any other HC job].

This is how I saw it, too. Makes the most sense.

 

[xc84]

Exactly. No way the 2013 schedule was that much more difficult. And even it was we still got absolutely hammered in the tougher games (FSU, Clemson, GT, NW) so what does that really prove?

Either way I think the point of the thread was that things have got worse from where we ended the 2012 season. I know people hate Marrone, but I don't know how anybody can reasonably deny that.

Things got worse between Marrone's second and third season too. Can't reasonably deny that either. It will not be a straight line up.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Pugh was hurt early in the year and I believe did not play in 3 of the losses. The team that struggled against Minn. and Rutgers could've used a healthy Pugh.

Also that horrible late hit call cost us the Northwestern game.

Pugh missed Northwestern, USC, Stony Brook, and Minnesota. Turnovers and that damned blocked FG run back for a TD cost us the Rutgers game.

 

[xc84]

Pugh missed Northwestern, USC, Stony Brook, and Minnesota. Turnovers and that damned blocked FG run back for a TD cost us the Rutgers game.

Yes, amazing what the absence of just one player can make on teams like this without the depth needed for sustained winning seasons. Imagine if we had a lot more injuries...how that would hand-cuff the coach. And that was an OL...imagine what would happen if you lost some key players at skill positions.