Hunt, not GMC is the Problem

[timkay99]

GMC's playcalling cost 2 points, but Hunt's decision-making and lack of field awareness cost the team at least 3 points and likely more.

The QB can't throw a swing pass accurately, passes up a sure TD to throw a laser right to the safety who was attacking the route and locks in completely on one WR.

A QB needs to be recruited badly.

 

[mountaincuse]

They are both a bit of an issue

 

[timkay99]

Don't disagree. But the bigger issue is the one who can throw 1 quality pass out of 5.

 

[sufandu]

They're both part of the problem (we have others as well). Did Hunt call the slow toss sweep in our own endzone to our slow RB that should never ever ever ever run parallel to the line of scrimmage? No.

 

[timkay99]

They're both part of the problem (we have others as well). Did Hunt call the slow toss sweep in our own endzone to our slow RB that should never ever ever ever run parallel to the line of scrimmage? No.

Which was noted in the initial sentence of the post...

 

[Jake]

Going into that last drive, the qb should know he's out of timeouts. Amazing that he didn't. Gotta think hunt should know that on his own.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

GMC's playcalling cost 2 points, but Hunt's decision-making and lack of field awareness cost the team at least 3 points and likely more.

The QB can't throw a swing pass accurately, passes up a sure TD to throw a laser right to the safety who was attacking the route and locks in completely on one WR.

A QB needs to be recruited badly.

And we need to recruit play caller with some ability to have the O ready and execute good plays at the right times.

 

[SteveC]

GMC has fvcking awful today. They've been equally bad.

 

[timkay99]

I responded based on the thread name. I suppose I should've read the whole post, do you think that's Gmac's only mistake. That was just one example. Earlier, Hunt was asking to get the play signaled in earlier to avoid a delay of game. That's on GMac. The offense looked like they've never practiced a hurry up offense on that last drive when we're supposed to be an up tempo team. That's on GMac.

You can't say GMac isn't the problem in one sentence and then hedge your statement in the next.

There is blame for both. Hunt is the bigger problem.

I mean, a QB can't throw a swing pass to a wide open WR. That's on the QB. The QB tries to call a timeout with no timeouts left. That's on the QB.

McDonald calls a great play and Hunt throws a laser right to the safety, thus ensuring a TD call gets Louisville a FG.

If you think GMac is the biggest problem, what plays do you run for a QB that can't throw an accurate pass beyond 5 yards (and inside 5 yards is 50/50)? And oh yea, your OL will only occasionally block when you run the ball.

 

[sufandu]

Going into that last drive, the qb should know he's out of timeouts. Amazing that he didn't. Gotta think hunt should know that on his own.

And he shouldn't have to stare at the sideline for 15 seconds waiting for the play call. How does he not have the green light to rush to the line of scrimmage and call his own play?

 

[timkay99]

And he shouldn't have to stare at the sideline for 15 seconds waiting for the play call. How does he not have the green light to rush to the line of scrimmage and call his own play?

Because he doesn't know how many timeouts we have. Can you imagine him trying to learn a couple plays?

 

[sufandu]

Which was noted in the initial sentence of the post...

I responded based on the thread name. I suppose I should've read the whole post, do you think that's Gmac's only mistake. That was just one example. Earlier, Hunt was asking to get the play signaled in earlier to avoid a delay of game. That's on GMac. The offense looked like they've never practiced a hurry up offense on that last drive when we're supposed to be an up tempo team. That's on GMac.

You can't say GMac isn't the problem in one sentence and then hedge your statement in the next.

 

[timkay99]

Boy, such a bad play call to have the TD drop...

 

[sufandu]

Because he doesn't know how many timeouts we have. Can you imagine him trying to learn a couple plays?

Sounds like what everyone was saying about why Broyld couldn't be our QB. If he's that incapable, he shouldn't be our QB. I don't think this offensive staff does any situational practice.

 

[sufandu]

Boy, such a bad play call to have the TD drop...

Really? Is that your argument for GMac being a good OC?

 

[timkay99]

Really? Is that your argument for GMac being a good OC?

My argument is that player execution (notably Hunt) is a bigger issue to the offense then the playcalls.

Dropped passes, not blocking on draws, timeout awareness, throwing swing passes 3 feet over guys heads, etc.

And you haven't answered what plays you would run. I mean, first and goal from the 1 and we run. John Miller opts to snap the ball and not block and we get stuffed for a 4 yard loss. Couldn't run a play in that situation that would work if your C isn't going to block...

But #Hardnosed.

 

[sufandu]

There is blame for both. Hunt is the bigger problem.

I mean, a QB can't throw a swing pass to a wide open WR. That's on the QB. The QB tries to call a timeout with no timeouts left. That's on the QB.

McDonald calls a great play and Hunt throws a laser right to the safety, thus ensuring a TD call gets Louisville a FG.

If you think GMac is the biggest problem, what plays do you run for a QB that can't throw an accurate pass beyond 5 yards (and inside 5 yards is 50/50)? And oh yea, your OL will only occasionally block when you run the ball.

I didn't say one was bigger than the other. You did. Hunt is a sucky QB and GMac is a sucky OC. I'm not a Hunt apologist. If he's our best QB, then we don't really have one.

 

[sufandu]

My argument is that player execution (notably Hunt) is a bigger issue to the offense then the playcalls.

Dropped passes, not blocking on draws, timeout awareness, throwing swing passes 3 feet over guys heads, etc.

And you haven't answered what plays you would run. I mean, first and goal from the 1 and we run. John Miller opts to snap the ball and not block and we get stuffed for a 4 yard loss. Couldn't run a play in that situation that would work if your C isn't going to block...

But #Hardnosed.

If we have consistently poor execution could that not be a coaching problem too? When so many different guys mess up on so many different plays I question how well the team is coached.

I think you have to have something other than shotgun in the arsenal. Line up under center with a fullback in front of AAM and run him straight ahead so he has a chance to build some momentum. He's a down hill type runner, if you're not going to run him straight ahead or off tackle, get someone in there that can outrun someone and/or make them miss.

 

[mountaincuse]

GMC has fvcking awful today. They've been equally bad.

Today?

 

[timkay99]

If we have consistently poor execution could that not be a coaching problem too? When so many different guys mess up on so many different plays I question how well the team is coached.

Coaching is a completely separate issue from playcalling. Hunt is coached by Lester, but all the vitriol goes to McDonald. I don't understand why McDonald can't teach our WR's to block on bubble screens.

Drops, bad throws, some missed blocks are physical mistakes that all players do that can only be slightly affected by coaching.

The primary issue with the offense is that it's only average unit is its RB's, but they aren't good enough to make up for a below avg OL. The interior line has been dreadful tonight. And Louisville is a Top 25 defense without our 2 best WR's.

Bottom-line, execution is a bigger issue then playcalling IMO.

 

[sufandu]

Coaching is a completely separate issue from playcalling. Hunt is coached by Lester, but all the vitriol goes to McDonald. I don't understand why McDonald can't teach our WR's to block on bubble screens.

Drops, bad throws, some missed blocks are physical mistakes that all players do that can only be slightly affected by coaching.

The primary issue with the offense is that it's only average unit is its RB's, but they aren't good enough to make up for a below avg OL. The interior line has been dreadful tonight. And Louisville is a Top 25 defense without our 2 best WR's.

Bottom-line, execution is a bigger issue then playcalling IMO.

You don't think the OC dictates how the offense practices during the week? Sure everyone has there own position coaches, but when the whole offense looks clueless while trying to run a hurry up offense at the end of the half, that's on the HC and OC.

And why did GMac just call another play where AAM is running parallel to the line of scrimmage? He has no idea how to play to players strengths. He's hellbent on fitting square pegs into round holes.

 

[sufandu]

And I'm so sick of hearing about the talent disparity crap. Did we not have a talent disparity when we crushed Louisville two years ago? They had a guy who may be the best rookie QB in the NFL this year running their offense. Didn't we have a talent disparity when we beat WVU three years in a row? Absolutely. How did we do it? The team was prepared. This team looks very unprepared and they have for much of the season.

 

[timkay99]

You don't think the OC dictates how the offense practices during the week? Sure everyone has there own position coaches, but when the whole offense looks clueless while trying to run a hurry up offense at the end of the half, that's on the HC and OC.

And why did GMac just call another play where AAM is running parallel to the line of scrimmage? He has no idea how to play to players strengths. He's hellbent on fitting square pegs into round holes.

That is on the HC and OC. No argument from me. But, when your QB is trying to call a timeout or throwing a 5 yard pass with no chance of a 1st down, that is on the QB...

He didn't call a play for AAM to run parallel. He called the zone read... Hunt gave him the ball. I couldn't tell if it was the right read or not b/c the end he reads looked like was collapsing, but couldn't tell in real time. You can talk about whether AAM should be in there (I don't think he should have been), but I don't know that any of our RB's would have been successful on that play b/c the OL blocking has been horrendous. You can't run good plays if the OL doesn't block.

RE: square pegs in round holes. We are transitioning from a power offense to a finesse offense. Its the old age argument. But, I don't know there is an offense for this personnel that would be successful, especially without Broyld and Estime and a soft OL.

 

[timkay99]

And I'm so sick of hearing about the talent disparity crap. Did we not have a talent disparity when we crushed Louisville two years ago? They had a guy who may be the best rookie QB in the NFL this year running their offense. Didn't we have a talent disparity when we beat WVU three years in a row? Absolutely. How did we do it? The team was prepared. This team looks very unprepared and they have for much of the season.

Nassib and defense. Plus, I think we had our top WR's for that game as well.

The talent disparity crap is true. Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.

 

[sufandu]

That is on the HC and OC. No argument from me. But, when your QB is trying to call a timeout or throwing a 5 yard pass with no chance of a 1st down, that is on the QB...

He didn't call a play for AAM to run parallel. He called the zone read... Hunt gave him the ball. I couldn't tell if it was the right read or not b/c the end he reads looked like was collapsing, but couldn't tell in real time. You can talk about whether AAM should be in there (I don't think he should have been), but I don't know that any of our RB's would have been successful on that play b/c the OL blocking has been horrendous. You can't run good plays if the OL doesn't block.

RE: square pegs in round holes. We are transitioning from a power offense to a finesse offense. Its the old age argument. But, I don't know there is an offense for this personnel that would be successful, especially without Broyld and Estime and a soft OL.

Regardless of the read the play design, calls for the RB to run parallel there. How do I know? Because he does it every time they run it. They can run a zone read where the RB starts with his momentum going north/south not east/west. Other teams do it.